[Adam5]

If I'm selling a pistol to another local GFL holder, do I need to do any paperwork? Or do I see his GFL, he hands me cash, and I hand him the pistol? I know I need to print and hand him a GCO membership application and tell him about this site. Should I do a simple bill of sale and put it my safe?

 

[Rammstein]

Me personally, I'd just make sure GA ID and GFL match to the buyer. Other than that I have no reason or obligation to keep records.

 

[Adam5]

I didn't think so. I'm showing my wifes G19 to a probable buyer tomorrow night. That way I buy my Walther PPK Sat morning. Yes, she told me that I can sell it.

 

[foshizzle]

I bought my AK from a local. He made a bill of sale using a copy of my GFL and DL. I signed for it acknowledging I receieved said item. I imagine he kept it for his records. It had serial # and such.

I also bought a .357 from a guy at work and he just sold it to me, no paperwork at all.

Either case... either one of them can find me easy enough if anyone asks. If I were you, I would probably make a copy of his GFL and DL just in case. I doubt he'll take offense. Throw them away in a year if nobody asks. Maybe have him sign something saying he's not prohibited from owning a firearm. That's all extra stuff, but will probably give you a warm and fuzzy.

If he pays in Rubles or Pesos I would probably alert the authorities. Common sense prevails Thank God this state still has some common sense.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I have purchased three firearms from private sellers. Never have I given someone my identification, nor would I.

Two of them knew me pretty well, though. The third (the first gun I ever purchased) did not. I checked it for stolen with the local S.O. (just in case).

 

[gunsmoker]

CYA -- Lots of Paperwork

I have always bought and sold guns with just a simple handwritten receipt identifying the gun by make and model (not always the serial number, but usually), the names of the buyer and seller, the price, and a statement that the full price has been paid at the time the gun transfers (so nobody can say that some money is still owed in the deal).

Now that I'm older, wiser, with a legal education, and with slightly deeper pockets, I am a lot more nervous about selling guns to strangers who answer my classified ad, or who are " a co-worker of a friend of a friend" that I don't know myself.

My new policy is that my "Bill of Sale" looks a lot like a form 4473, specifically identifying the several categories of "prohibited person" and the buyer must state that he doesn't fit into any of them. And the form also includes a statement that the buyer is satisfied that he knows how the gun works, how all the safety features can be used, and that he generally knows about safe gun handling. Finally, the buyer is notified that the gun is sold "as is" with no warranty of any kind. (I always offer to meet the prospective buyer at the range and let him shoot it, if he pays for the range time & ammo, if he wants to check the gun's function before buying it).

If I have modified anything safety-related about the gun, I specifically write that into the bill of sale and have the buyer sign that he is aware of it, and that he will further inform anyone who handles this gun about the modification. An example would be a trigger job that significantly lightens and shortens the trigger pull from factory specs. Or removing a "magazine disconnect" feature.

 

[Rammstein]

gunsmoker,

Do you really think that is necessary? I'd think that my method (match picture on GA ID to person, match name on GA ID to GFL, make sure both are current) would suffice to CYA for the legal aspect of selling someone a firearm.

If they have a GFL I am reasonably confident that they a) know how to handle a firearm and b) are legally allowed to purchase/posses firearms.

Have you had any experiences that made you more cautious?

 

[Gunstar1]

gunsmoker,

Do you really think that is necessary? I'd think that my method (match picture on GA ID to person, match name on GA ID to GFL, make sure both are current) would suffice to CYA for the legal aspect of selling someone a firearm.

If they have a GFL I am reasonably confident that they a) know how to handle a firearm and b) are legally allowed to purchase/posses firearms.

Have you had any experiences that made you more cautious?

If a valid GFL is good enough to purchase a new gun, then it is good enough for a private sale where it is not even required.

I agree with adding any modifications made to the gun though.

 

[Adam5]

Thanks for all the advice. This is my first FTF sale or purchase. The buyer has a brand new GFL. He had just found out that his favorite dealer was out of G19's when he saw the ad for mine on Glock Talk. I've already informed him the Glock has a 3.5# connector in it. I'm also giving him the original 5.5# connector that came out of it, in case he wants to change it back at anytime. I offered to meet him at Bulls Eye to shoot it first, but he said that since it's a low milage Glock, that it wouldn't be necessary.

I tend to put alot of faith in people sometimes, but just in case he isn't legit, the 19 will be unloaded and my loaded 17 will be in it's holster.

PS: I told him that he can have a $15 discount if he joins GCO and GPDO

 

[Rammstein]

I tend to put alot of faith in people sometimes, but just in case he isn't legit, the 19 will be unloaded and my loaded 17 will be in it's holster.

PS: I told him that he can have a $15 discount if he joins GCO and GPDO

Both good ideas, but extra kudos for the second.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

PS: I told him that he can have a $15 discount if he joins GCO and GPDO

=D> :righton: 8)

 

[Tinkerhell]

That's actually a great idea to get memership up. I imagine that those of us already signed up probably don't sell lots of guns on a regular basis (then again half the people here might be registered dealers for all I know!) but if, on the odd occasion that we do a ftf sale & we work that into the deal... Sure can't hurt.

kudos for you Adam5

 

[Adam5]

Everything went as planned. He gave me cash, and a signed statement that he is over and legally allowed to own it. He showed me his ID and GFL then I gave him the Glock.

By the way, he is interested in joining this site and GCO.

 

[Watch_Their_Hands]

I recently bought a Beretta .22LR Model 21A Bobcat for my wife from a friend. We both signed and dated his original sales receipt from where he purchased it new, had it witnessed by another friend, and put the selling price on the bottom with SOLD AS IS, PAID IN FULL and then dated it. Neither of us has our GFL's as of yet (I applied Jan. 31st 2007, he a month earlier than I) so we could not list them on the Bill of Sale.

 

[Rammstein]

I personally don't see a reason to document to that extent

Of course I am looking at it from the perspective of both parties having a GFL.

 

[Watch_Their_Hands]

I see your point, Rammstein. Although, I wanted to leave as little wiggle room as possible concerning the law, should the sale ever be questioned in the future. :roll:

 

[Rammstein]

I see your point, Rammstein. Although, I wanted to leave as little wiggle room as possible concerning the law, should the sale ever be questioned in the future. :roll:

Understandable.

I could care less what kind of information the police want. Because even if I had ever little bit of relevant information I wouldn't turn it over short of a court order. And even then it better be for a damn good reason.