Self Defense

Discussion in 'In the News' started by ber950, May 30, 2006.

  1. ber950

    ber950 Active Member

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  2. AV8R

    AV8R Banned

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    Job well done. I like the "go down fighting" idea because you have just as good of a chance to come out on top.
     

  3. USMC - Retired

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    This young man simply applied the old Marine Corps priciple to adapt, improvise and overcome. You make do with what you have, but it's best to be well armed. Here's some light reading for those of you interested in how the diefferent sevices view the rules of warfare...

    US Marine Corps Rules:
    1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
    2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
    3. Have a plan.
    4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
    5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
    6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
    7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
    8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (lateral & diagonal preferred.)
    9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
    10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
    11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
    12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
    13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

    Navy SEAL's Rules:
    1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
    2. Kill every living thing within view.
    3. Adjust speedo.
    4. Check hair in mirror.

    US Army Rangers Rules:
    1. Walk in 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
    2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
    3. Request permission via radio from "Higher" to perform killing.
    4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
    5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

    US Army Rules:
    1. Select a new beret to wear.
    2. Sew patch's on right shoulder.
    3. Change the color of beret you decide to wear.

    US Air Force Rules:
    1. Have a cocktail.
    2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
    3. See what's on HBO.
    4. Ask "what is a gunfight?"
    5. Request more funding from Congress with a "killer" Powerpoint presentation.
    6. Wine & dine 'key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
    7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
    8. Declare the assets "strategic" and never deploy them operationally.
    9. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.

    US Navy Rules:
    1. Go to Sea.
    2. Drink Coffee.
    3. Watch porn.
    4. Deploy the Marines.
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

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    A friend of mine sent me the AJC version of this story, which contains more details. It is a GREAT read.

    Here is the email -

    Ed: Will these “victims†try and hire some lawyer and press charges that he used un-necessary force? LOL!

    Former Marine kills would-be robber

    3 men, one woman attack waiter walking in Midtown

    By BILL MONTGOMERY
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    Published on: 05/30/06


    A pack of would-be robbers including, a pregnant 17-year-old, figured a Midtown waiter walking to his girlfriend's house Monday night would be an easy mark, according to police.

    But, in Thomas Autry, 36, the bandits picked the wrong victim, said Atlanta police homicide Detective Danny Stephens. The former Marine, cornered by his pursuers on Penn Avenue at 4th Street, fought back with a pocket knife in a deadly melee that left the young woman dead and a man in his late teens seriously injured at a hospital.

    Autry suffered minor injuries. The identity of the suspects, who Stephens said are believed to be linked to "a lot" of pedestrian robberies in Midtown and Virginia-Highland, was not released. The three surviving attackers face aggravated assault and robbery charges, police said.

    Autry will not be charged, Stephens said. "It was a clear case of self defense."

    Stephens said Autry had left his job at the Jocks & Jills restaurant in Midtown and was walking along Penn Avenue when a blue Cadillac pulled alongside and three men, one armed with a shotgun, and the woman jumped from the car.

    "This group had robbed two men on Piedmont earlier Monday night, taking a video camera and a cellphone," Stephens said.

    "Autry takes off running, and they chase him. During the chase, Autry's trying to get into his backpack to get a pocket knife, which slows him down," Stephens said.

    During the chase, Autry repeatedly yelled "fire, fire," which Stephens said attracted nearby residents' attention.

    Grabbing the knife from his backpack, Autry managed to kick the shotgun from the man's hands and stabbed the woman in the chest, fatally wounding her. Stephens said. In the melee, Autry also stabbed one of the male suspects. Another suspect attempted to shoot Autry with a .380 pistol, which misfired, Stephens said.

    The suspects ran back to the Cadillac and drove to Atlanta Medical Center, where police arrested them. The young woman, "about two weeks pregnant," was pronounced dead at the hospital, Stephens said. The wounded suspect is in critical condition.



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  5. Gunstar1

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    Lots of skill and a bit of luck. All I can say is wow, way to go.
     
  6. Gunstar1

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    USMC - Retired: Yeah... I almost joined the Navy when I graduated high school. :D
     
  7. ls1ssdavid

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    Get some!!! I'm glad the situation turned out for the best. I have close friend of mine i've know since i've been in the Corps for about three years. He went to the Marine Corps Martial Arts green belt instructor school down in Lejuine. The first thing the instructors said was "Carry a gun everywhere you go. If you can't carry a gun... Carry the biggest knife you can find." :lol: And for the most part of Marines that I know do carry knifes on them. It's good principals to live by. Always plan for the worse case possible.

    My buddy is leaving in a few weeks for Black Belt Instructor trainer school in quantico. :bowdown: He is a beast now, I hate to see him when he gets back :shock:
     
  8. sgtdevildog

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    Sometimes the good guys win. Serves them right. I'm sure they thought 5 on 1 would be great odds as I'm sure very few people resist. This time they got the sheepdog instead of the sheep.
     
  9. USMC - Retired

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    Seems we have a good number of Marines here, I like that!
     
  10. ber950

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    USMC said
    Just raised by one. Its true once a Marine always a Marine. My dad is 75 years old and still talks like a Marine especially when we went to vilsit the Wisconsin.
     
  11. Malum Prohibitum

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    i may be remembering it wrong but if you participate in a felony in which someone dies,shouldn't there a murder charge involved for all of these perp's
     
  13. USMC - Retired

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    Seems to be the way I remember it too...
     
  14. jmorin

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    Don't pick on the Air Force! Somebody with brains has to pilot that plane that delivers the cargo, including the grunts. :lol:

    As I read the article and envisioned the guy in this situation, it made me wonder how he would have reacted differently if he weren't a Marine. It's easy for all the Marines/ex-Marines in here to quickly point to this guy's Marine background as saving him. I'd venture a guess to say it was a combination...the human will to survive and whatever "mental toughness" training he received in the Marine Corp. I can't imagine as a cook this guy received tons of combat training (esp. hand-to-hand) after boot camp.

    I'm glad to see the guy survived. I sent this article to friends and family to let them know vicious crimes don't just happen in the rough parts of metro Atlanta...crime knows no boundaries on time and place, even in VH and Midtown.
     
  15. USMC - Retired

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    Actually ALL Marines are considered basic riflemen and continue to train as such throughout thier careers. This training includes hand to hand combat, martial arts, marksmanship, small unit tactics etc etc. The idea being that when the $#!+ goes down and the bad guys are coming through the wire , it's up to everyone to pull it together. That being said, I like the Air Force and the Navy, every time we wanted to go somewhere to fight, they gave us a lift. I wouldn't get too spooled up about the G2 of Air Force pilots though. I have a friend that is a retired Air Force F-4 jock and he calls me every time he needs his computer fixed or the time set on his VCR.
     
  16. jmorin

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    I did a little research and read exactly what you state...all Marines are trained in basic rifleman skills. While I'm sure the average Marine can field strip his weapon in no time after having done it hundreds of times, I wonder how much hand-to-hand combat training is received in the Marine Corps and what type of training it is. I've read it's a combination of styles and tactics. But a one-week-per-year camp on advanced hand-to-hand combat isn't training (sorry). 3 days a week for 4 years of grueling Korean martial arts and conditioning is training.

    "I like the Air Force and the Navy, every time we wanted to go somewhere to fight, they gave us a lift."

    Gee, where have I heard that before? Could it be "A Few Good Grunts"?

    "I have a friend that is a retired Air Force F-4 jock and he calls me every time he needs his computer fixed or the time set on his VCR."

    F4? Whew that's an old plane! I'd speculate that the technology in a modern day VCR and PC is about as advanced as the avionics on an old F4. :wink:

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  17. USMC - Retired

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  18. jrm

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    Agreed. Felony murder charges would be appropriate.
     
  19. gunsmoker

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    Felony Murder

    It sounds like a stretch, but the statute (16-5-1) and the caselaw developed under it seem to provide a lot of leeway for a jury to determine when participation an inherently dangerous felony (and armed robbery certainly qualifies as that) has "caused" the death of somebody, be it the intended victim, an accidental victim (bystander in the background), cop, or even an accomplice in the underlying felony crime.

    I did just a few minutes' worth of looking at "felony murder" cases, and I was unable to find any with the fact pattern of a victim killing one of multiple robbers in lawful self-defense and then the State charging the surviving robber with "felony murder" for the death of the accomplice. Some states allow that, and some do not.

    I did find a Georgia case where two ARSONISTS were planning to burn down a building for the insurance money, and one of them poured the gasiline a little too close to the pilot light on the hot water heater and POOF--- one arsonist died and the survivor was successfully prosecuted. The conviction was upheld. VASSER v. THE STATE. S01A0433. SUPREME COURT OF GEORGIA, 273 Ga. 747; 545 S.E.2d 906; 2001 Ga. LEXIS 310.