Second Civil War Possible Here?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by Nemo, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Some out there have some interesting thoughts on it. I cannot completely disagree with him.

    How will it start? Reply number 17 down, by Eleau, gives a rather plausible viewpoint I think. Have to click link to get those.

    Is it possible Gents?

    Nemo


    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234249

    additional thoughts on subject
    https://townhall.com/columnists/vic.../20/are-we-on-the-verge-of-civil-war-n2520465
     
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  2. moe mensale

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    I disagree with the person who linked to some video showing the influence of foreign troops in a supposed breakup. Mostly Russian and Chinese. I don't see that happening at all.

    Back on topic, sure it can happen. But technically it would be the 1st civil war because Lincoln's little adventure doesn't fit the definition of a civil war. The South wasn't trying to take over the federal government. It was trying to leave it.

    "Shots" have already been fired. The June 2017 Republican Congressional baseball shooting. Groups like antifa and BLM continue to get increasingly violent in their confrontations with anybody espousing viewpoints they disagree with. But something very major has to occur first. Our own Kristallnacht. Trump isn't it although his election is a presage to it. Kavanaugh's confirmation won't be it either although it will up the ante significantly. My bet is on Trump's nomination for Ginsberg's Supreme Court seat. I think that will completely unhinge the socialists and their thug armies. They will do something and that will be our Kristallnacht. And the internecine fighting will commence and be nasty, very nasty. Remember how Bosnia turned out.
     

  3. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    I agree with you on that.

    But "troops" will likely be involved to try to help resolve the issues. I don't know where they will come from but I'll bet they would be wearing blue helmets.

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  4. UtiPossidetis

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    We've been facing a silent civil war since that communist FDR derailed our system and turned us down a dark, dark path. If shots are fired in any significant number the progressives will only do so as a mopping up process.
     
  5. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    UN troops? Highly doubtful. The US refuses to pay for them. No UN troops! :lol:
     
  6. Harhib

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    No I don’t believe it would be UN troops. But I do believe if we continue down the road we’re on a civil war is almost inevitable. The socialist elements will not stop till they achieve their goals. The only way I see to avoid conflict is to let them have the country. I for one cannot,will not do that. I have fought for it on foreign soil and I will damn sure do it at home. I believe there are enough like minded people that the end result is a forgone conclusion. As for the US military I don’t believe they will be a factor. As many will walk carrying their equipment with them as will follow orders and stay. The only question in my mind is what exact circumstances it will take to start it.
     
  7. Phil1979

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    After thinking about it a good bit, I'm inclined to believe that as long as the checks from Uncle Sam keep flowing, the most we'll see is a bunch of marches, some sporadic violence, and damage mostly to college property.

    The places and people the left will hit hardest will be where the bearing of arms is the most scarce. Some Darwin award candidates among the left will not see the memo on this, and try it somewhere people don't put up with that kind of stuff.
     
  8. moe mensale

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    The end result of that is usually always death or even worse for the other side. No, thank you. The socialists will eventually have to be confronted and dealt with or this will never stop. That means, among other things, killing. Because they want you dead. They readily admit it publicly. Just laughing at them doesn't solve the inevitable, it just postpones it to a point where it becomes more difficult to deal with it.
     
  9. moe mensale

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    I think you're being overly optimistic, Phil. The real problem isn't on the college campuses. It's the antifas and BLMs on the streets. Their violence level doesn't scale back, it always increases moving forward. At some point they're going to try grabbing for that gold ring on the ride. They won't be denied.

    By definition that's the major cities. Hitting Uncle Fred's farm does nothing for them. Intimidating and controlling major population centers - and even smaller ones - allows them to fully "express" themselves. But I think there are a lot of firearms in closets in those places. The Koreans did pretty good for themselves back in 1992 Los Angeles.
     
  10. Harhib

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    Maybe I didn’t express myself well, my point was exactly that the only way to end this is confrontation . The left will never give up their agenda. It’s all about increasing their power.
     
  11. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    I have been ,I have read , I have thought, methinks it is almost time to do !
     
  13. moe mensale

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    You expressed yourself just fine. I read your whole comment. I was just pointing out what will most likely happen if the deplorables just roll over.
     
  14. moe mensale

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    Maybe I'm reading you wrong but do what? Go to war? Against your friends, your neighbors, your family? Personally, I would prefer to just be left alone. Don't bother me and I won't bother you. Although as things seem to be progressing today, we may not have any say in that. It may just be forced upon us. I am not a proponent of the "Balkans Gambit" but that's what we're looking at. It was like 25 years ago and we've already forgotten it.

    I don't want to see the country dissolved into multiple new entities. That would probably be the worst thing that could happen. Instead of one big pot full of troubles we could end up with several smaller pots full of the same or new troubles. What we should strive for is the goal of a limited central government accountable to the people and/or the states. And a citizenry composed of like-minded, unhyphenated peoples with a common culture (born into it or adopted). If you long for the "old country" or what you perceive the "old country" to be, be my guest and go back to it.
     
  15. Harhib

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    We were asked about possible outcomes to our political climate in the United States, I stated a possible outcome. I to would prefer to be left alone. If you don’t look at the scenario we’re that is not possible you’re just burying your head in the sand. When I said like minded people I meant people who are willing to defend the country as it was meant to be and not allow the liberals to warp it into a socialist nanny state. There are still many types of actions to be taken before we start shooting our friends and neighbors. But if you don’t have an open mind to all the possible outcomes you will be caught unaware. Also look back at the main reason for the 2nd amendment. No it is not time to join together and march armed to Washington yet but that time may come.
     
  16. Wegahe

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    At my age the best possible thing that could happen is to not live long enough to see an internal shooting war happen. Nothing good could or will come out of it. Unlike the last "civil war" the next one will not be for a good cause it will be entirely political. While I strongly disagree with the political culture we currently live under I still have hope that enough people will come to see the light of why the Constitution is written the way it was and the true meaning behind it. Both controlling parties need to step back and take a hard look as to what they are supposed to do and stop trying to undermine the country for personal beliefs. Their personal beliefs should be in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Instead they believe they should be in control of what the country and the Constitution should be.
     
  17. Harhib

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    I agree absolutely 100 percent !
     
  18. moe mensale

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    Your response seemed a bit overly anxious to get it on.
     
  19. moe mensale

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    All wars are political. It's just a different strategy when diplomacy doesn't work for you.
     
  20. Harhib

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    Not anxious at all it’s actually the last thing I want. I just recognize that it might be inevitable. Here’s the deal I am retired in my sixties and fighting a war of any kind is the last thing I want. Been there done that and it ain’t pretty it ain’t fun. I just don’t believe that the liberals can be stopped without some kind of drastic measures. Our freedoms have been chipped away ever since I can remember and I see it getting worse all the time. I would love to have someone show me a way to “ make America great again “ working within the system. Yes I vote every election and I would like to think in an informed manner. What I see happening in Washington is one party working toward socialism and the other sitting rather quietly aside and allowing it to happen. Had high hopes for Trump , just seems to me that most of his own party doesn’t want him to succeed any more than the opposition. Correct me if I’m wrong and show me . Peace is always better than war if it can be attained without despotism.