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Well now that's a kick in the teeth
Yeah, I do understand why the court ruled like it did...it basically says that it's up to Congress to update the 1977 law. It sucks for those that are tough financial straights and have their debts sold. I was in that position many years ago, and those debt purchasers are the absolute scum of the earth when it comes to the "practice" of debt collection. I would imagine that the law won't be changed anytime soon w/ the GOP controlling congress.
 

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But it is not this Court's job to rewrite a constitutionally valid text under the banner of specu- lation about what Congress might have done had it faced a question that, on everyone's account, it never faced.
Why does that not apply to the second amendment?
 

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Why does that not apply to the second amendment?
Well, I am glad YOU brought that up...I wanted to, but I didn't want to stir the puddin'.

I think this is also a perfect example of how the court will "create law" when it suits them. Otherwise, not so much. It appears the whole reason that the court heard this case was that the different appeals courts were in disagreement as to if they qualified as debt collectors or not, so they wanted to resolve that. I was somewhat surprised that it was a unanimous decision, though. I would have certainly thought that RBG would have twisted the definitions around to suit a dissent, but she did not.

Of secondary note, I am glad I wasn't involved in writing the brief for the petitioner's...because they had their assess handed to them. IF you are going make your argument primarily about grammar usage, you BEST do some basic research on it before presenting it to the court. I might need to go find the oral arguments to see if they were destroyed by the court. I can only imagine...
 

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While this is an outcome that will vex many persons, it is the right answer. Congress wrote the law with specific language. The business world has changed since then. Nobody hires debt collectors, they simply sell off bad debts and let the collectors make whatever they can from them. Congress needs to update the laws. The courts don't need to make up laws when Congress fails. Short term, the decision sucks. Long term, the principles are right.
 

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Implications to Ga gun law

So, the Supreme Court basically said that it is possible for an entity to acquire greater rights than the party selling them that bundle of rights had themselves.

If the XYZ company had to follow a bunch of restrictions about collecting the debt, but then XYZ company just sells it off to the ABC debt collection firm, the result is ABC is not so constrained.

ABC has more power and more options to do what they want to collect that debt then the original debtholder had.

Do you see the implications regarding banning guns on publicly-owned property that is leased to, or managed by, a private entity here in Georgia?
 

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So, the Supreme Court basically said that it is possible for an entity to acquire greater rights than the party selling them that bundle of rights had themselves.

If the XYZ company had to follow a bunch of restrictions about collecting the debt, but then XYZ company just sells it off to the ABC debt collection firm, the result is ABC is not so constrained.

ABC has more power and more options to do what they want to collect that debt then the original debtholder had.

Do you see the implications regarding banning guns on publicly-owned property that is leased to, or managed by, a private entity here in Georgia?
And I am curious what this will do to the junk debt market. Currently, you can buy some pretty worthless debt for pennies on the dollar, but many companies wouldn't do so because they felt hemmed up by the FDCPA...now it will be a free for all for these debt purchasers. This might be a good thing for the debtors (at least initially) as these portfolios probably just more expensive to buy so the original lenders might hold on to them longer. Of course, there is absolutely nothing here in fact...just my opinion.

As to GS's point, yes, I can see that this could have some very detrimental secondary effects...even as broad as the question you presented.
 

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So, the Supreme Court basically said that it is possible for an entity to acquire greater rights than the party selling them that bundle of rights had themselves.
They didn't "acquire" rights, and the party selling them had all the same rights. There is no implication.

Both sides accept that third party debt collection agents generally qualify as "debt collectors" under the relevant statutory language, while those who seek only to collect for themselves loans they originated generally do not.
These results follow, the parties tell us, because debt collection agents seek to collect debts "owed . . . another," while loan originators acting on their own account aim only to collect debts owed to themselves.
They noted that the restrictions apply only to debt collection agents, and do not apply to loan originators. The ruling is that a debt purchaser is more like a loan originator, as they now "own" the loan, than a debt collection agent. Are you collecting the debt for your own loan, or collecting for the debt of another?

All that matters is whether the target of the lawsuit regularly seeks to collect debts for its own account or does so for "another."
The court pointed out that the petitioner didn't argue using a definition of debt collector as "in any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts." And since they didn't, the court didn't address that question.

We can see the judge that diagrammed sentences in one of his rulings likes to talk grammar, using four-plus pages to explain grammar and tense. :)
 

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So, the Supreme Court basically said that it is possible for an entity to acquire greater rights than the party selling them that bundle of rights had themselves.

If the XYZ company had to follow a bunch of restrictions about collecting the debt, but then XYZ company just sells it off to the ABC debt collection firm, the result is ABC is not so constrained.

ABC has more power and more options to do what they want to collect that debt then the original debtholder had.

Do you see the implications regarding banning guns on publicly-owned property that is leased to, or managed by, a private entity here in Georgia?
You did not consider that one very carefully before posting.
 
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