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I don't know what the final bill called for (looking for info), but when I posted the original article we were quickly able to find serious flaws in this bill. I'm alarmed that a "Republican" would sign this legislation... to say it mildly.

Schwarzenegger signs handgun "microstamp" bill
Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:25pm EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed a bill whose backers say will better help police use shells from hand guns as evidence in criminal investigations, a spokeswoman said on Sunday.

The legislation marks a victory for gun-control activists and the second time Schwarzenegger signed one of their priority bills. In 2004 he approved a ban on private citizens owning .50 caliber rifles.

Activists had called for the legislation, which requires new models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California to have internal parts that "microstamp" shell casings with codes that identify the guns when they are fired. Revolvers are exempt.

"While I appreciate and understand that this technology is not without limitations, I am signing this bill to provide law enforcement with an additional tool for solving crimes committed with semi-automatic handguns in California," Schwarzenegger said in a statement.
 

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Here we go. An Editorial, but pretty on point:


NEWTOWN, Conn., Oct. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) yesterday kowtowed to anti-hunting interest groups and the gun-ban lobby by signing into law legislation that will ban traditional ammunition and require firearms sold in California to include a patented, sole-sourced technology known as firearms microstamping -- a technology ballistics experts say is "flawed." The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) -- the trade association of the firearms industry -- has been the first to push-back on the governor, calling his decision to sign these two bills into law "myopic" and "reckless."
"Governor Schwarzenegger has now effectively banned more firearms than Senators Kennedy, Feinstein and Schumer combined," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. "The governor has proven to gun owners and sportsmen that he is just another liberal anti-gun Hollywood actor -- he just plays a moderate Republican on TV. Mr. Schwarzenegger has now exposed himself for what he really is, the most anti-gun and anti-sportsmen governor in America."
Assembly Bill 1471 mandates the technology known as firearms
microstamping, the process by which a firearm's make, model and serial
number are micro-laser engraved on the tip of the firing pin so, in theory,
that information would be imprinted on any cartridge casing fired in the
gun. Governor Schwarzenegger signed AB 1471 into law despite having full
knowledge of the findings of multiple studies, including a recently
released state- funded study by the University of California at Davis that
called firearms microstamping a "flawed" technology and concluded that, "At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology in all semiautomatic handguns in the state of California be made. Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required." In signing this gun ban legislation the governor essentially admitted he knows it does not work. He also knows that independent research shows that criminals will be able to remove the laser engraving in mere seconds using common household tools.
By signing the microstamping legislation Governor Schwarzenegger chose to disregard warnings that major firearms manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market altogether rather than bear the astronomical costs associated with reconfiguring the manufacturing and assembly processes necessary for microstamping.
NSSF has also pointed out that microstamping firearms would not impact criminals since, according to ATF, firearms used in crimes in California were originally sold on average almost 13 years before being recovered by the police. Firearms used in crimes are not newly sold guns, but old guns that have been in circulation on average for over a decade.
"The governor's decision to mandate this unreliable technology is
clearly one of family politics, not sound public policy," said Keane,
alluding to Senator Ted Kennedy, the uncle of the governor's wife, who has announced plans to introduce a federal microstamping bill.
The governor also signed into law legislation banning traditional
ammunition in key hunting areas of the state. Assembly Bill 821, backed by anti-hunting extremists, was intended to save the California Condor from lead poisoning despite the fact that there is no conclusive scientific
evidence that the birds are getting sick from ingesting ammunition
fragments. Advising the Governor on this issue was Marty Wilson, his
political advisor who entered a business relationship this year with the
Audubon Society -- an anti-hunting organization fighting to ban lead
ammunition.
"Governor Schwarzenegger's decision to ban lead ammunition has far
reaching implications that extend well beyond California hunters," said
Keane. "A study by the Responsive Management Company found that if a ban on lead ammunition were to become law 24 percent of hunters would hunt outside the state, hunt less or stop hunting altogether. This in-turn affects the retailers of hunting equipment, their employees and the small mom-and-pop businesses that run lodges and restaurants that hunters patronize."
A ban on lead ammunition could cost 2,230 jobs, $15 million in state
and federal income tax, $3.9 million per year in hunting license costs,
$131 million a year in retail sales and $624,000 in federal excise tax
money normally returned to California."
Clearly Governor Schwarzenegger is more concerned with helping the
political agenda of his wife's uncle, Senator Kennedy, than in doing what's
right for California," stated Keane. "To ban traditional ammunition without
evidence and to mandate a flawed technology that criminals will laugh at
could very well see every major firearms manufacturer abandon the
California market. These are stunningly bad public policy decisions by at
best a seriously ill- informed or at worst a rabidly antigun politician and
which will do nothing to reduce crime or help the recovery of the condor.
Today is a sad day for sportsmen, gun-owners, small business owners,
firearms enthusiasts and indeed wildlife in the Golden State," concluded
Keane.
Formed in 1961, the National Shooting Sports Foundation(R) (NSSF(R)) is the trade association for the firearms and recreational shooting sports
industry. NSSF's mission is to provide trusted leadership in addressing
industry challenges and delivering programs and services to meet the
identified needs of its members by measurably advancing participation in
and understanding of hunting and the shooting sports. For more information,
visit http://www.nssf.org.

SOURCE National Shooting Sports Foundation(R)
 

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I have a dream that ALL manufacturers will band together and refuse to ship any firearms to CA - not even to LEO (local and Federal).

This would hurt small businesses for a period of time, but I'm not sure what other recourse there is to combat this type of idiocy...

This is really sad and, to be honest, frightening. To be able to "ban" all semi-auto handguns without "banning handguns" is scary politics and will most definitely seep into the Federal level.

Hillary would most assuradly go for this kind of policy... yikes...
 

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I have a dream that ALL manufacturers will band together and refuse to ship any firearms to CA - not even to LEO (local and Federal).

This would hurt small businesses for a period of time, but I'm not sure what other recourse there is to combat this type of idiocy...

This is really sad and, to be honest, frightening. To be able to "ban" all semi-auto handguns without "banning handguns" is scary politics and will most definitely seep into the Federal level.

Hillary would most assuradly go for this kind of policy... yikes...
LEOs would simply buy out of state. I am sure an exemption would be quickly passed to allow that. Somewhere, someone would be willing to sell to them.

All this does is hurt law abiding citizens, as we all know. The guvernator has simply shown his true colors as an enemy of the people. But, since this is Kalifornia, most of the people there will praise him for taking away their rights.

One more reason to never live in Kalifornia.
 

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Terminator signs!!

I e-mailed the Gov's office constantly to encourage the signing of the two bills under discussion. :shock: That's how much I despise the State of CA. And I'm a NATIVE and retiree!!! Hopefully, this action by the State will encourage good people to continue to leave the State and move to a more firearms friendly environment such as: Just about anywhere else!!!
'F' CALI!!! 8) later......mr.t.

PS.... I can't wait to see the quagmire the State of CALI is to become. :twisted:
Stay tuned sports fans...... :roll:
 

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Thorsen said:
adcurt said:
I have a dream that ALL manufacturers will band together and refuse to ship any firearms to CA - not even to LEO (local and Federal).

This would hurt small businesses for a period of time, but I'm not sure what other recourse there is to combat this type of idiocy...

This is really sad and, to be honest, frightening. To be able to "ban" all semi-auto handguns without "banning handguns" is scary politics and will most definitely seep into the Federal level.

Hillary would most assuradly go for this kind of policy... yikes...
LEOs would simply buy out of state. I am sure an exemption would be quickly passed to allow that. Somewhere, someone would be willing to sell to them.

All this does is hurt law abiding citizens, as we all know. The guvernator has simply shown his true colors as an enemy of the people. But, since this is Kalifornia, most of the people there will praise him for taking away their rights.

One more reason to never live in Kalifornia.
For sure - Police can do that. But an "arms embargo" of CA would gaurantee that the Govenor would be getting phone calls from Police Chiefs and State Patrol who would ask, "What the F$%^, Gov??"

By getting individuals who have direct contact with him you can get his ear. If, say I, send a letter or phone call, he won't receive it. Forcing all levels of government to follow the same draconian rules as law-abiding citizens could achieve local and national attention to pressure the Govenor politically.

The true PR spin would have to come from a unified firearm industry because Democrats would try to spin an embargo as "hateful gun makers versus innocent law enforcement." Which in this case it isn't the LEO's fault, but...

Just a thought. :)
 

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Let the LEO's start whining about not having any protection when dealing with the less-than-honorable members of society. Let it be a painful reminder that their lives are not worth more than Joe Citizen.

It may sound harsh, but I'm sick and tired of average citizens being deprived of the basic rights to defend their lives in every circumstance.
 

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LEOs would simply buy out of state. I am sure an exemption would be quickly passed to allow that. Somewhere, someone would be willing to sell to them.
All this does is hurt law abiding citizens, as we all know. The guvernator has simply shown his true colors as an enemy of the people. But, since this is Kalifornia, most of the people there will praise him for taking away their rights.

One more reason to never live in Kalifornia.
your right, now i am gonna assume that the gun manufacturers were giving some kind of break to all law enforcement outfits ( except Sandy Springs :) ) but if they had to go out of state and buy from someone else they wouldnt get the discounts which would still bum them out enough that they may call the Gov and say mean things
 

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Let the LEO's start whining about not having any protection when dealing with the less-than-honorable members of society. Let it be a painful reminder that their lives are not worth more than Joe Citizen.

It may sound harsh, but I'm sick and tired of average citizens being deprived of the basic rights to defend their lives in every circumstance.
++ Wonder what will happen to military people over there. I know CA kicked out or doesn't let in as many as they can, but surely there are a few lying about. Maybe Arnold was smart enough to give them an exemption.
 

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It'll be interesting when California has it's own mega natural disaster a la New Orleans. A lot more crazy people and a lot less water/food to go around. Yup it'll get medieval pretty quick.

It might change their tune about the right to self defense but I wouldn't bet two cents on it.
 

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adcurt said:
I have a dream that ALL manufacturers will band together and refuse to ship any firearms to CA - not even to LEO (local and Federal).
I would love to see this.
Ronnie Barrett set the example when the .50 caliber rifle ban was passed. Not only refused to ship any more to CA, he refused to service any rifles they had already purchased.
 

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Kommyfornia needs to have the big one and slide out into the ocean to be its own little country.

If you are crimminal just stop at the local range pick up your LEO brass and leave it at your next crime.....
 

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Kommyfornia needs to have the big one and slide out into the ocean to be its own little country.

If you are crimminal just stop at the local range pick up your LEO brass and leave it at your next crime.....
Yep, or change out the firing pin with a "pre ban" one. Have the manufacturers even figured out how they're going to make this work? I mean, it's signed into law without any consideration of the economical impact (not to mention the bigger and more obvious self defense impact).
 

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I have a dream that ALL manufacturers will band together and refuse to ship any firearms to CA - not even to LEO (local and Federal).
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Could it be that's the nefarious purpose behind this bill? Can't you just hear the Brady Bunch and their allies discussing the situation?

"We can't ban guns. Not even those super-dangerous semiautomatics. So why not pass this bill and maybe the makers will voluntarily stop selling their evil, death-dealing devices to the people of California?

When that happens, men who need to compensate for their small 'packages' will stop buying guns and go back to driving Hummers..."

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Ya think?

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