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No Guns in Schools, Period

The answer forthcoming from a Jackson County Court judge ought to be a resounding no. The teacher's fear of her ex-spouse deserves a compassionate response â€" one that doesn't lead to pistol-packin' teachers.
 

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It has been almost a year since the gruesome school house shootings in the Amish community of Bart Township, PA shocked the nation. Violence in schools has been an issue of concern since the Columbine tragedy, but this massacre caught everyone off guard. ...

... How can we prevent these tragedies from happening in the future? The subsequent shooting spree at Virginia Tech showed that we still haven't figured that out yet. The issue rages on today, with various 'solutions' being offered."

A teacher in Ashland, Ore. has ... quite possibly the worst ideas to date.
http://media.[url]www.dailycollegian.com/med ... 8525.shtml[/url]
 

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Instead of giving teachers guns, why not give students bulletproof vests? Sure they might be bulky, but does anyone doubt that students would feel safer if they knew they had a safety net like that?

Or what about installing shields on the desks or putting metal detectors at the entrances to schools? These ideas are really common sense; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Instead of stopping the threat, the threat will just aim for the heads. Josh Wilder is a complete retard.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
More about this link - Oregon, which has basically NOTHING off limits, now has a bill introduced to explicitly permit schools to adopt policies that make sure domestic violence victims will be helpless when attacked by their estranged husband.

Currently, school carry is ok in Oregon and there is statewide preemption.
 

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Teacher goes public

Jane Doe now has a name.

Jane Doe -- the Oregon schoolteacher who wants to carry a concealed pistol to class -- went public Tuesday with her identity in an attempt to keep her lawsuit against the Medford School District alive.

Shirley M. Katz, 44, teaches English at South Medford High School. At a slight 5 feet 7 inches tall, Katz says she still fears a former spouse and wants to assert what she believes is her right to carry a weapon on school grounds
The possibility of more teachers carrying concealed handguns is real. The Oregonian found that at least 25 teachers out of about 6,700 working in Multnomah County -- the state's most populous -- have concealed handgun permits.
Her legal bills in the case are being paid by the Oregon Firearms Foundation, a pro-gun rights group. Although Katz is a member of the National Rifle Association, she said she is not acting on the NRA's behalf or receiving any money from the group.
 

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Concealed weapon permits are issued by the county sheriff in Oregon. Under state law, you can apply for and receive a concealed gun permit if you are a U.S. citizen, at least 21 and complete a gun safety course. Felons or people with misdemeanor convictions within the prior four years are not eligible.

A permit holder may carry a gun onto most public properties, including schools, without violating state law.

Private firms can ban handguns in the workplace. Although most -- if not all -- school districts ban teachers from bringing handguns to class, Katz is asserting in her lawsuit that the bans are in violation of state law.

Superintendent of Public Instruction Susan Castillo said she has testified in the Legislature in favor of a state law that would ban teachers from carrying guns at school, but without success. She said the pro-gun rights lobby consistently opposes such legislation.

"I don't see any reason to take a gun into any of our schools," Castillo said. "Prohibitions exist. The Rose Garden and the Memorial Coliseum have bans. . . . Why would we have a lower standard of safety for our schoolchildren than the Trail Blazers?"
 

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The Oregonian's review of concealed handgun permits issued in Multnomah County showed that permit holders include administrators as well as classroom instructors.

Efforts to contact the 25 teachers -- about 40 percent of them women -- met with almost total silence.
 

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Hugh Hewitt (920 AM) is talking about this on his radio show right now (6:45pm)...

Incidentally, he's taking a bunch of calls from Ron Paul supporters who are making gun owners look like pychopaths...

Yipeee...
 

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adcurt said:
Hugh Hewitt (920 AM) is talking about this on his radio show right now (6:45pm)...

Incidentally, he's taking a bunch of calls from Ron Paul supporters who are making gun owners look like pychopaths...

Yipeee...
:? What makes them sound like psychopaths? Just curious.
 

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ptsmith24 said:
adcurt said:
Hugh Hewitt (920 AM) is talking about this on his radio show right now (6:45pm)...

Incidentally, he's taking a bunch of calls from Ron Paul supporters who are making gun owners look like pychopaths...

Yipeee...
:? What makes them sound like psychopaths? Just curious.
Hey, good question: Hewitt had a premise that went something like this: Imagine the worst, most incompetent, ridiculous, unstable, or arrogant teacher that you know or have known. Would you want them armed in the classroom with your child? What he was edging for was that teachers (and only teachers) who wanted to carry in school should possibly get a closer look than just the normal background check.

The second quesiton was: Is there a limit, or should there be a limit, to the number or type of firearm(s) that the teacher should be able to carry.

The Ron Paul callers got trapped because they went with the big "No" on the first point. They felt (as I must admit I lean towards also) that the teachers shouldn't have to follow any additional laws that average citizens must face.

But this put them in a box for the follow-up question of: Should there be any restrictions on what they could bring into the classroom? Because they had already gone full "Freedomista" on classroom-carry they started saying that, "yeah, if they want to bring an AK into the classroom then that's ok..."

Though (once again), I'm kinda like... heh... sure, why not - I also have to admit that this would not fly in 99% of all school districts. Parent just don't want a prof with an M1A SOCOM II strapped on during lecture.

Then he went with: "So, who ya supportin' for the election?"

...Ron Paul...

So now there are a couple of million people out there who now think to themselves... "Gee, those 'gun nuts' want total Wild West classrooms. I will vote against that." AND "Gee, those Ron Paul guys are nuts."

So there's my take on it.... :)
 

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Katz won’t say whether she has ever taken her 9 mm Glock pistol to school . . .

“Our safety plan at our school now is that if somebody threatening comes in, you try to avoid eye contact, and do whatever they say, and that is not acceptable anymore,†she said. Shootings at Virginia Tech University and the one-room Amish school in Pennsylvania, “reinforced my belief we have to take action; we can’t just acquiesce as we have been taught to do.â€
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21197747/
 
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