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https://www.rt.com/usa/358111-no-charges-officer-slammed-student/
Fifth District Solicitor Dan Johnson said he found no reasons for charging Fields, according to local WLTX news, which cited the conclusion.

"..I am unable to conclude that Benjamin Fields' use of force was criminal based not only on his perceptions of the events that occurred on October 26, 2015, but also both the admitted resistance of the student, as well as the subsequent information obtained via the joint FBI and SLED investigative file set as forth, in part, herein," Johnson wrote in a letter responding to the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division's (SLED) Captain John Bishop.
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I have no problem with this. Girl was disrupting the school. At that point she was trespassing. The officer tried to resolve it peacefully, according to other students in the classroom, many times. The girl wanted to show off and prove she was a bad ass.

What did you expect at that point?

Arrests involve force. He tried to simply pull her sideways from that desk, and she resisted. I do not think the officer overreacted. Those of you who think differently have probably never removed anybody resisting from a desk or car and put handcuffs on them.

Too bad she is hacking on her cell phone and disrupting the other students instead of taking advantage of this wonderful opportunity of free education that her county's property owners are providing for her at no cost to her. She despises this gift and will later blame all her failures in life on racism.

There is no way this officer should have been prosecuted. He should not have been fired. The federal investigation will probably find no civil rights violation. If I were on a jury for this girl's inevitable lawsuit, I would return a defense verdict (that is, if she can even get to a jury, which I doubt).

The school is all ohmigoshthatwasviolentIwetmypants, but the stupid school is who called. The school administration lives in a bubble and is not used to seeing force. When they call in force, they expected the girl just to go along peacefully. She didn't. What did the school expect the officer to do at that point?

If the decision has been made to arrest, then the person is going to jail. If that person wants to resist, fine, but that person is still going to jail and does not get to decide anything about the arrest other than whether to stop resisting.
 

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Your argument is essentially-she resisted so he was justified to do what he did. I disagree. Throwing a 100lb girl in her desk across the room is excessive force. Had she landed the wrong way, she could have ended up in a coma. Yes, the girl is a POS, but that doesn't justify the level of force used against her even if she was "resisting". The level of force the officer exerted upon the girl and the way it was carried out likely endangered her life.

This approx 100lb woman resisted entering her holding cell and was similarly thrown by an officer. The force of the throw shattered her eye socket and broke several of her teeth. She's lucky to not be in a coma. In the plea deal, the officer plead guilty to a felony, was fired and the PD paid out $875,000 to the victim. Yet, you're telling us this level of force is acceptable if the suspect resists.

 

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I don't think he should have been fired either. Kids who don't have discipline have a destiny with this or something greater. I personally think it's a shame the police have to be called for things like this. I think the teachers should be doing this sort of thing.
 

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Any time a cop is accused of a crime while performing their duties, an independent commission needs to be the one to investigate, one made up largely of civil rights attorneys.
 

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It is a problem with public education, they want teachers to be babysitters, educators, and de facto parents to kids who have no discipline at home. So they bring in cops to be hall monitors, well when all you have is a hammer all problems begin to appear to be nails. For regularly disruptive students, there needs to be an expedited process to getting them into alternative education, such as vocational training starting from middle school.
 

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I don't think he should have been fired either. Kids who don't have discipline have a destiny with this or something greater. I personally think it's a shame the police have to be called for things like this. I think the teachers should be doing this sort of thing.
Translation: teachers and cops should violently throw children across the classroom until they respect and submit to authority.

You are a total authoritarian.

 

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Did they just carry a person with a possible neck injury with out a backboard or neck collar?
 

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the root problems here stem from government. the school being public property creates a paradox when it comes to the concept of trespassing. the second problem is a government agent assuming he has authority over everyone to initiate force. as always, if government is removed from the situation, there are no ethical nor logical conflicts in the solution.

MP's concerns about the girl not respecting the gift she was given is valid. that attitude is probably allowed by her parent(s). it might not be if they actually had to pay for her education.
 

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Why force someone who doesn't want an education to be there, public or private?

She should have never been there in the first place, people like this regardless of color either end up working for minimum wage jobs Micky D's or sitting in section 8 on welfare, forced education or not.

She doesn't deserve an education.

We should be discussing why we have theft funded schools anyway, which is a plank of Communism, then wonder why this country continues to go to crap.

Well you let the goverment and statist "educate" your children, and I mean that in the loosest way possible.

Then many are told it's good to recite a socialist authoritarian pledge to your government every morning.
 

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Translation: teachers and cops should violently throw children across the classroom until they respect and submit to authority.

You are a total authoritarian.

She should have been stopped from continuing her disruptive rude behavior. She was asked to stop the disruptive rude behavior. Talking didn't work. When talking fails, a more robust approach is in order. I suppose a police negotiator could have been called in with a team of child psychologists and taken all the time that was necessary to get her to see why it was necessary that she stop the disruptive rude behavior. It's attitudes like your's that's made the ME generation what it is and created the sense of entitlement that's becoming more common every day with young people.
 

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She should have been stopped from continuing her disruptive rude behavior. She was asked to stop the disruptive rude behavior. Talking didn't work. When talking fails, a more robust approach is in order. I suppose a police negotiator could have been called in with a team of child psychologists and taken all the time that was necessary to get her to see why it was necessary that she stop the disruptive rude behavior. It's attitudes like your's that's made the ME generation what it is and created the sense of entitlement that's becoming more common every day with young people.
You're conflating my complaint with the level of force used on the girl with taking no action at all. I never said intervention wasn't necessary. I said the level of force, which was picking her up in her desk and throwing her across the classroom, was grossly excessive. I contend it likely endangered her life. You're framing this incident as if there were only two choicesâ€"do nothing or crack skulls.
 

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Sorry but play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dont want to be bodyslammed by a cop dont resist. This isnt a case of innocent little girl attacked for no reason.
 

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Sorry but play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dont want to be bodyslammed by a cop dont resist. This isnt a case of innocent little girl attacked for no reason.
Judges are empowered to decide punishment, not the police. Why is everyone so eager to suspend people's rights and dish-out punishment to unconvicted suspects? Allowing cops to act as judge and jury seems not only tolerated but widely supported here. Does no one understand how dangerous that is? Does no one understand how suspects are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court? Does no one understand exerting excessive force is a violation of a person's Fourth Amendment rights? Does anyone here care about rights other than the Second Amendment?
 

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Judges are empowered to decide punishment, not the police. Why is everyone so eager to suspend people's rights and dish-out punishment to unconvicted suspects? Allowing cops to act as judge and jury seems not only tolerated but widely supported here. Does no one understand how dangerous that is? Does no one understand how suspects are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court? Does no one understand exerting excessive force is a violation of a person's Fourth Amendment rights? Does anyone here care about rights other than the Second Amendment?
He didn't decide her punishment. He attempted to detain her and she resisted.

Should he have just dropped the whole thing since she didnt want to comply?
 

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He didn't decide her punishment. He attempted to detain her and she resisted.

Should he have just dropped the whole thing since she didnt want to comply?
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You're conflating my complaint with the level of force used on the girl with taking no action at all. I never said intervention wasn't necessary. I said the level of force, which was picking her up in her desk and throwing her across the classroom, was grossly excessive. I contend it likely endangered her life. You're framing this incident as if there were only two choicesâ€"do nothing or crack skulls.
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He didn't decide her punishment. He attempted to detain her and she resisted.

Should he have just dropped the whole thing since she didnt want to comply?
it's wrong for a cop to assume authority and initiate force. both are involved in any detainment or arrest. he shouldn't have been there in the first place. you folks conveniently forget about this part of the equation.
 
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