Russia Test-Launches New Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

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  1. Dan H

    Dan H New Member


    This also makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...

    MOSCOW — Russia on Tuesday test-launched a new intercontinental ballistic missile capable of carrying multiple independent warheads, and a top government official said it could penetrate any defense system, a news agency reported.

    The new missile would modernize Russia's stockpile at a time of rising tensions with the West.

    The ICBM was fired from a mobile launcher at the Plesetsk launch site in northwestern Russia, and its test warhead landed on target about 3,400 miles away on the Far Eastern Kamchatka Peninsula, a statement from the Russian Strategic Missile Forces said.

    President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly said Russia would continue to improve its nuclear weapons systems and respond to U.S. plans to deploy a missile defense system in Europe.

    First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said the ICBM, as well as a tactical cruise missile that also was tested Tuesday, can penetrate any missile defense system, Russian news agencies reported.

    "As of today, Russia has new (missiles) that are capable of overcoming any existing or future missile defense systems," ITAR-Tass quoted Ivanov as saying. "So in terms of defense and security, Russian can look calmly to the country's future."

    Ivanov is a former defense minister seen as a potential candidate to succeed Putin in elections next year.

    The U.S. has said its missile defense system is intended to deter Iran and other so-called "rogue nations."

    The "United States has made clear to the Russians that this missile shield is directed at other nations that could conceivably affect the peace of Europe. We will continue to make sure that Russia fully understands our intentions," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Tuesday.

    The ICBM, called the RS-24, is seen as eventually replacing the aging RS-18s and RS-20s that are the backbone of Russia's missile forces, the statement said. Those missiles are known in the West as the SS-19 Stiletto and the SS-18 Satan.

    The statement said the RS-24 conforms with terms laid down in the START-I treaty and the 2002 Moscow Treaty, which calls for reductions in each country's nuclear arsenal to 1,700-2,000 warheads.

    The RS-24 "strengthens the capability of the attack groups of the Strategic Missile Forces by surmounting anti-missile defense systems, at the same time strengthening the potential for nuclear deterrence," the statement said.

    The statement did not specify how many warheads the missile can carry.

    Ivanov said the missile was a new version of the Topol-M, first known as the SS-27 in the West, but one that that can carry multiple independent warheads, ITAR-Tass reported.

    The first Topol-Ms were commissioned in 1997, but deployment has proceeded slower than planned because of a shortage of funds, and aging Soviet-built ballistic missiles remain the backbone of Russia's nuclear forces. Existing Topol-M missiles are capable of hitting targets more than 6,000 miles away.

    Alexander Golts, a respected military analyst with the Yezhenedelny Zhurnal online publication, expressed surprise at the announcement. "It seems to be a brand new missile. It's either a decoy or something that has been developed in complete secrecy," he told The Associated Press.

    The new missile would probably be more capable of penetrating missile defense systems than previous models, according to Alexander Pikayev, a senior analyst at the Moscow-based Institute for World Economy and International Relations.

    He said its development was probably "inevitable" after the U.S. withdrew from the Soviet-era Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty in 2002 in order to deploy a national missile defense shield.

    Russia adamantly opposes U.S. efforts to deploy elements of a missile-defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. The United States says the system is aimed at blocking possible attacks by countries such as North Korea and Iran, but Russia says the system would destroy the strategic balance of forces in Europe.

    Russia's military chief of staff has suggested repeatedly that Russia would regard elements of the system as potential targets.

    Asked about the controversy Tuesday at a news conference with Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates, Putin said, "We consider it harmful and dangerous to turn Europe into a powder keg."

    On Monday, Russia called for an emergency conference next month on a key Soviet-era arms control treaty that has been a source of increasing friction between Moscow and NATO.

    The call for a conference on the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty follows last month's statement from Putin declaring a moratorium on observing Russia's obligations under the treaty.

    The treaty, which limits the number of aircraft, tanks and other non-nuclear heavy weapons around Europe, was first signed in 1990 and then amended in 1999 to reflect changes since the Soviet breakup. Russia has ratified the amended version, but the United States and other NATO members have refused to do so until Moscow withdraws troops from the former Soviet republics of Moldova and Georgia — an issue Moscow says is unrelated.

    Putin warned that Russia could dump the treaty altogether if Western nations refuse to ratify its amended version, and the Foreign Ministry said Monday that it lodged a formal request for a conference among treaty signatories in Vienna, Austria, on June 12-15.
  2. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday New Member

    Russia is not our friend. I have been saying this for years and people laugh and say communism is dead. They are a democracy. They are capitalists. Bull$*@#!!!! We should have opened up on them in Berlin and nuked Moscow. Then we should have nailed the Chinese when we had a chance in Korea. I know it is easy to be an armchair historian but I got to vent.

    I fear that a second iron curtain is about to fall....Perhpas not to the extent that Russia occupies Eastern European nations but I do see them back to their old ways again.

    The writing is on the wall. The Russians support Iran. The Chinese support Iran. They may not come out and say it but they have so many shady deals and I am sure that they have secret alliances between them.

    If you want to talk about a so called "Axis of Evil" then Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea fit the bill.

    Washington has screwed the pooch in Iraq. Iraq was never truly a threat to us. The true enemy in the middle east is Iran and Saudi Arabia. We have lost stature in the world. These roque nations now are on the offensive because right now we are no real threat to them with the quamire we have found ourselves in.

  3. merlock

    merlock Active Member

    I think that anybody who trusts Ivan is :screwy:
  4. Dan H

    Dan H New Member

    That country is so corrupt I dont think anyone can be trusted over there...
  5. CoolHand

    CoolHand Active Member

    Russia is so screwed up and corrupt they aren't a real threat. It's unlikely that they'll be one for a long time. They're just nervous and humiliated about us setting up ABMs and Nato bases in all their former satellites. Historically, they have precedent to be worried cause the best generals in their military are Fall and Winter. This is just a face saving posturing measure. This has happened before, look up sputnik and the "missle gap".

    What we have to worry about with them is all the crap (Bioweapons & Nuclear) they developed as the USSR falling into the wrong hands and being used against us by a 3rd party.

    Walma...., I mean China, is the one we need to watch very carefully. They hold enough of our currency to royally screw us economically and they'll have the military technology/power to seriously challenge us in 5-15 years.
  6. hpridgen

    hpridgen Guest

    I agree that Putin cannot be trusted. Fortunately for us, Russia doesn't have the organization or the funds to be a real threat at this time. That said, the United States should not ignore any semblance of military build up in Russia. I also feel that we need to stop dispersing our armed forces all over the planet.
  7. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

    Anybody else doubting that Putin will leave office when his term is over?
  8. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

    Actually, I think he will leave office, but his predecessor will be preselected. He will stay behind in some "advisory" role and still run the place.
  9. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

    Preselect a predecessor? Aren't all predecessors preselected? :)

    What about his successor?
  10. foshizzle

    foshizzle New Member

    The Russians are drunk off of all their new oil wealth. Expect this to continue.

    I think it's pretty stupid of them, actually. They are investing all of these resources to build new missiles to defeat our anti-missile technology when we have like, what... 50 of these things to fight off their... 10,000 warheads? Our missile defense system wasn't designed to fight off the Russians, it was designed to fight off long-range crappy missiles from North Korea and Iran, not state of the art Russian missles with 12 independent re-entry vehicles stuffed with decoys and all that. Their current missiles are more than adequate.

    They should be investing this windfall in their infrastructure and finding other untapped reserves... not starting another weapons escalation. They lost the last one and they would likely lose the next.
  11. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

    Good points. The communist regime was never able to tap into the vast mineral resources in the USSR. They'd be much better off letting the private sector find ways to tap those resources. They really don't have a defensive problem as invasions of Russia typically haven't been successful due their vastness of terrain and personnel numbers.
  12. rajl

    rajl Guest

    And it's falling. Russia's population has been *declining* since the fall of communism. Russia has big problems, they are dangerous, but only as a cornered, wild animal is dangerous. It will snap when threatened, and act wildly and unpredictably.
  13. legacy38

    legacy38 Well-Known Member

    Look at WWII. They will all be fighting.