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Did y'all know he was pro-life? Not that I have a problem with that position, it is just that I suspect most of his supporters are pro-abortion (given that almost all libertarians are pro-abortion).

. . . for Paul, that's a deeply personal concern. His prior job as a doctor -- he has delivered over 4,000 babies -- plays an important role. In his New York Times Magazine profile of Paul, Christopher Caldwell writes: "He remembers seeing a late abortion performed during his residency, years before Roe v. Wade, and he maintains it left an impression on him. 'It was pretty dramatic for me,' he says, 'to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket.'"

Apparently it was dramatic enough to cause Paul to author H.R. 1094, a bill that declares that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception," . . .
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?art ... n_rhetoric
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
Did y'all know he was pro-life? Not that I have a problem with that position, it is just that I suspect most of his supporters are pro-abortion (given that almost all libertarians are pro-abortion).

. . . for Paul, that's a deeply personal concern. His prior job as a doctor -- he has delivered over 4,000 babies -- plays an important role. In his New York Times Magazine profile of Paul, Christopher Caldwell writes: "He remembers seeing a late abortion performed during his residency, years before Roe v. Wade, and he maintains it left an impression on him. 'It was pretty dramatic for me,' he says, 'to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket.'"

Apparently it was dramatic enough to cause Paul to author H.R. 1094, a bill that declares that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception," . . .
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?art ... n_rhetoric
Libertarians can hold that the child has a greater right to life than the mother has to privacy.
 

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Libertarians can hold that the child has a greater right to life than the mother has to privacy.
I have always thought that a pro-life position was entirely consistent with libertarian thought, but I believe their official position is pro-choice, and this is also overwhelmingly the opinion of party members.
 

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AeroShooter said:
Has anyone ever noticed how the left is so adamantly against the death penalty yet so in favor of abortion? It seems so out of balance...
I will have to keep this point in mind next time I have to argue with a liberal about either issue. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Not sure why I never thought about it that way before.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
Thorsen said:
Libertarians can hold that the child has a greater right to life than the mother has to privacy.
I have always thought that a pro-life position was entirely consistent with libertarian thought, but I believe their official position is pro-choice, and this is also overwhelmingly the opinion of party members.
You know, for some reason this made me think about where I stand in the scheme of things in relation to the majority of Americans.

The majority of Americans favor the death penalty ... I do not.

The majority of Americans favor a woman's right to abortion ... I do not.

The majority of Americans favor stricter gun control legislation ... I do not.

Maybe I am just a contrarian.
 

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Thorsen said:
Malum Prohibitum said:
Thorsen said:
Libertarians can hold that the child has a greater right to life than the mother has to privacy.
I have always thought that a pro-life position was entirely consistent with libertarian thought, but I believe their official position is pro-choice, and this is also overwhelmingly the opinion of party members.
You know, for some reason this made me think about where I stand in the scheme of things in relation to the majority of Americans.

The majority of Americans favor the death penalty ... I do not.

The majority of Americans favor a woman's right to abortion ... I do not.

The majority of Americans favor stricter gun control legislation ... I do not.

Maybe I am just a contrarian.
Or, just a rabble-rouser. :p
 

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I'm really starting to like this Ron Paul guy. My interest sorta fell off when I read some quotes that turned out to be false. I like what he had to say at the Moragn State debate.

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I believe abortion has it's place in case of a medical emergency to the mother, but not as another form of birth control. The death penalty doesn't deter crime because it's applied subjectively. Anyone convicted of capitol murder or first degree murder with clear cut evidence should get the death penalty. Gun control should be banned.
 

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I dont consider Dr. Paul to be a true libertarian. I believe he is more conservative then the "Conservatives".

Unfortunately, the abortion argument is one that I go back and forth on as I see both sides of the argument, however I lean pro-life...

What I dont understand however is how the american public in general and all our politicians turn a blind eye to our present monetary system, which is literally on a crash course.

Additionally, Dr. Pauls statement about War Propoganda in the last debate in Michigan is so true. It seems like its one war after another... NWO here we come. Do americans really believe that Iran can pose a threat to us?? We are the strongest nation on earth and all this crap about Iran attacking us is simply scare tactics so that we give up more of our freedoms.

Not to mention the comment that Romney said on the last debate about the President consulting with his Attorneys on whether or not to go to war. Are you Effing kidding me???!! I about lost it when I heard him say that. I wonder if the rest of these idiot politicians actually have a clue or are intelligent enough to run a country, let alone follow our constitution. Its truly sad.

Also, Fred was not very impressive at all. He is just another neoconservative puppet...

One more thing, this whole missile defense system that we want to set up in Europe makes me want to vomit. I am very happy to see Putin not having any of it. Sometimes we need to ask ourselves who we think we are to go over on to another countries soil and do something like this. How would we like it if another country wanted to put their missile defense system in our country. This is ridiculous...
 

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AeroShooter said:
Has anyone ever noticed how the left is so adamantly against the death penalty yet so in favor of abortion? It seems so out of balance...
I like to point that out during arguments with liberal friends.

They HATE when I do it because none of them have come up with a good answer yet.
 

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I actually saw Ron Paul get some positive coverage on one of the 24 hour news channels today. It was sort of an incredulous "this guy is really beginning to gain some traction" type of news article, but it was overall positive.

I know it is probably a 1000 : 1 chance of him getting the nomination for the republican party, but you can just imagine the shrieking of Hannity and the other neo-cons if it actually happened? I think he would have an on air heart attack.

Hmmm ... one more reason for me to vote for Ron Paul.
 

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Dan H said:
One more thing, this whole missile defense system that we want to set up in Europe makes me want to vomit. I am very happy to see Putin not having any of it. Sometimes we need to ask ourselves who we think we are to go over on to another countries soil and do something like this. How would we like it if another country wanted to put their missile defense system in our country. This is ridiculous...
I'm with you right up to here... We're not putting missile defense in Russia. We're putting it in countries that have agreed to receive it.

Now, if Russia put a missile defense system in Mexico, I expect our government to piss and moan. In the end, however, we'd have no cause to do anything about the Mexican Missile Defense System... just like Russia has no cause to do anything if we put a missile defense system in Poland and Georgia.
 
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