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Heard this on the radio this AM

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"The victim in this case was armed and he took out his firearm and fired back," said Gwinnett County police Corporal Michele Pihera. "Unfortunately, he lost his life, but at least he was able to defend his female companion."
 

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Detectives were trying to determine whether the suspect's girlfriend had any role in the attempted robbery.
Are you freaking kidding me? She was the getaway driver! Don't they normally get charged with murder?
 

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Are you freaking kidding me? She was the getaway driver! Don't they normally get charged with murder?
Where is your compassion? Her boyfriend was obviously a troubled young man...only trying to find his way in this troublesome world. If it wasn't for the "victim" (I hate when the press attaches labels!) exercising his "rights" (does he think that slavery is OK, too? I mean, it was protected by the 73rd Amendment of the American Independent Constipation Papers!) then he would most certainly been the man to discover the cure to all cancers. And now...he's gone. :groupprotest:

In all seriousness, I hate that the victim lost his life, but I am VERY glad the perp got exactly what he had coming to him. The victim's family should get the $5,000 Crime Stopper bounty that may have been offered had the perp gotten away.
 

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Are you freaking kidding me? She was the getaway driver! Don't they normally get charged with murder?
This *just* (less than 6 hours according to the web story time stamp) happened and as the article mentioned, she was not a fluent English speaker (She was Korean I believe) so it's quite plausible she had no clue what was going on. I am *not* saying that is what happened...but perhaps she was made to drive away under duress...such as the guy pointing a gun at her head. Plus, the information released by the PAO that soon after the incident could be incomplete or even inaccurate (GASP!).
 

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According to the article the victim's GF was Korean, not the suspect's GF.
Ah....good catch. My reading comprehension isn't great at 7:30 in the AM!

evidence that if someone already has the draw on you, its probably best to cooperate?
I don't think so. How many times has a victim been shot in a similar situation? I have read PLENTY of stories where the outcome is a good one...not the way this happened. This seems to be pretty rare. I would still take my chances on drawing on him...but it does make me pause and consider how best to do that. The overseas video of the off duty cop (in the ATM line) who distracts the perp by dropping his wallet seems like a good tactic to adopt. (Video...it's terrible, but the original YouTube video has been deleted:
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Ah....good catch. My reading comprehension isn't great at 7:30 in the AM!

I don't think so. How many times has a victim been shot in a similar situation? I have read PLENTY of stories where the outcome is a good one...not the way this happened. This seems to be pretty rare. I would still take my chances on drawing on him...but it does make me pause and consider how best to do that. The overseas video of the off duty cop (in the ATM line) who distracts the perp by dropping his wallet seems like a good tactic to adopt. (Video...it's terrible, but the original YouTube video has been deleted:
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the possibilities are endless, but I agree, if the opportunity presents itself, one should seize the moment...
 

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Drawing on a drawn gun is a pretty huge gamble.

It didn't work out for this victim. I agree with the police that the silver lining was that he was able to defend his girlfriend. And of course prevent the murderous thieving jerk from being able to do it to anyone else.

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Drawing on a drawn gun is a calculated risk. I don't think the deceased needs to be MMQB'd. Sometimes the bad guys win, even if the good guy has his ducks in a row.

The important thing here is at least he took that scum-sucking SOB with him.
 

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One reason I prefer carrying openly, is being able to get to my gun quicker without having to fumble with clothing. Don't know if it would have made a difference in this case.

Sad that the good guy lost his life, but at least the robber won't do that ever again.
 

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There is quite the discussion going on in Redditt (Atlanta) about whether to draw or not. Some folks have posted some numbers of the total number of armed robberies v. armed robberies that result in the death of the victim (not like in this case, where the victim was straight up murdered) and some of the numbers lead one to believe that the odds of being shot and killed during a robbery is fairly low. I don't have the time or inclination to research this extensively, but it does give me pause. If the odds that I am shot by a robber (if I don't draw) is fairly low (some numbers show less than 5%) then...well, I don't know, does it make since to up the ante by drawing on the perp and HOPING that I am faster? Most robbers want your crap...many would prefer not to shoot you since this gets a lot of heat on them...whereas not so much for a robbery but then again, they could be vindictive, evil SOBs that just don't give a damn. I know of 3 people (maybe more if I thought about it more) that have been robbed at gunpoint. None of them had a gun available to them and they are all still alive. One of them is my Dad who was almost carjacked at South Dekalb Mall back in the late 80's. He had a "guard a car" that disabled the car from starting. Under the guise of having a carburetor issue, he was able to get out of the car and run like hell.

I wish there was an easy answer...but like many things in the world, there isn't.

Also, as I understand it, the guy was the restaurant owner. Many, MANY years ago when I worked in the restaurant business, it was pretty common to have the police escort you to the bank to make the deposit at the end of the night. At two places that I was responsible for this, we were REQUIRED to have police escorts. I would think that restaurant owners would use this option if still available.
 

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It is risky to draw straight up, against a drawn gun in the first seconds of this kind of attack. The best technique I've seen, is to comply, hands go up, act scared and unarmed, and throw a wallet, keys, cell phone to the ground. Then, look for the attacker to shift focus on the goodies, and draw and shoot when he's got his guard down. That is my intent, if it ever happens to me.
 
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