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Report above continued. Pay close attention to #10. This could be a biggie! ! !

I think its not a good idea to edit unrelated (by my thoughts) out and a link to the full note.
The service carrying the full email where a link went to it made it not possible to continue that for VCDL. So you all get the whole thing.

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10. U.S. Supreme Court to decide if police can enter home without warrant to seize guns We'll be keeping an eye on this one.
Supreme Court Will Decide Whether Police Can Enter A Home To Seize Guns Without A Warrant
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2021/02/05/supreme-court-will-decide-whether-police-can-enter-a-home-to-seize-guns-without-a-warrant/?sh=5ef041bb5bb4

11. "Wolf in sheep's clothing" - gun control opinion piece by a "gun owner" https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/02/10/gun-laws-are-common-sense/

"John Crimmins of Chesapeake is a Second Amendment supporter and a retired Chesapeake police officer." Second Amendment supporter? I don't believe it. Although, perhaps Crimmins is simply following in the footsteps of gun-grabber Senator Chuck Schumer from New York, who is a gun owner, and claims to be a "Second Amendment supporter," too.

From the opinion piece we are to believe that Crimmins is a Second Amendment supporter, yet he doesn't know the difference between gun safety and gun control. That's like a car owner not knowing the difference between looking both ways before entering an intersection and having to pay an annual tax on his vehicle to be able to drive it on public roads.

"These extremists are fixated on using a gun to protect themselves but rarely spare a thought for the individuals who may be killed, injured, or threatened with these guns."

I'll bet Crimmins rarely spares a thought as to who may be killed or injured by him owning and driving a vehicle.

The piece is loaded with gun-control lingo that could just as easily have been written by Demanding Mom Shannon Watts. Each paragraph has a gem that can be easily torn apart, but I'm not going to sped the time doing so. Suffice it to say that I'm shocked that a police officer who has dealt with criminals face-to-face could have gotten everything so wrong.

12. What happened when the U.S. Government confiscated guns for "Safety & Protection"

Just ask the Sioux Indians: https://freedomoutpost.com/what-happened-when-the-us-government-confiscated-guns-for-safety-protection-in-the-past/

13. Modern sporting rifles as bear stoppers? Yep. Dan has some interesting columns. This one is on the effectiveness of modern sporting rifles on bears, including polar bears!

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/02/modern-sporting-rifles-as-bear-stoppers-they-worked-in-every-recorded-incident

14. Factually challenged Letter to the Editor about "white racists" being in downtown Richmond on January 18

A letter to the Editor full of information that isn't so. And by an attorney nonetheless. My comments on this one are in blue:

http://richmondfreepress.com/news/2021/jan/21/gun-prohibition-needs-be-applied/

Once again, citizens of the city of Richmond avoided Downtown on the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday as a group of white supremacists smelled their musk and paraded in soldier costumes, flaunting assault weapons, each having a magazine of 30 to 40 bullets. [PVC: How exactly does Mr. Baugh know the number of rounds of ammunition (not "bullets") that are in those magazines? If Mr. Baugh doesn't know the difference between "rounds" and "bullets," he's unlikely to know much about magazines.]

Clearly, these men meant to instill some fear and trepidation in the citizens of our city like the night riders of the Ku Klux Klan - "Keep them scared." There is a very thinly veiled threat. [PVC: So, if this was about keeping people "scared," where was the associated violence?]

When will this city enforce the laws of the Commonwealth against these tactics? Is this tactic of not applying the laws of the Commonwealth against these men by design of the mayor or the chief of police?

True, Mayor Levar M. Stoney is not a lawyer and might not be familiar with the Virginia's criminal statutes. But I would assume his Police Chief Gerald Smith, if asked the question "Is this against the law?" would be intelligently advised.

Pursuant to Section 18.2-287.4 of the Virginia Code, "Carry- ing loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalties," it is illegal to carry a loaded weapon with "a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds ... or equipped with a folding stock ... on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public." [PVC: Mr. Baugh says he is a lawyer, yet he doesn't correctly quote the law. There is a major exception to 18.2-287.4 - CHP holders are exempt. The law also does not apply to firearms chambered in a rimfire caliber. Since there are over 700,000 CHP holders in Virginia alone (20 million nationally), seeing someone openly carrying a firearm in Richmond does not give the police probable cause to stop the person merely because they are carrying a firearm.]

This law applies to 13 specified cities and counties, including Richmond.

There is a lot of recent talk of equal treatment in the criminal justice system in the United States and Virginia.

Mayor Stoney, if you did not know of Va. Code Section 18.2- 287.4, you are getting bad advice, are being intentionally tricked or Chief Smith missed that day at the police academy. One of you, Mr. Mayor or Chief Smith, really should change jobs. [PVC: Mr. Baugh should be careful of throwing stones when it comes to not understanding 18.2-287.4, as well as the lack of probably cause for the police to stop someone merely for the possession of a firearm.]

When the white supremacists come to our city, my tax dollars demand the laws that apply to me also apply to them. [PVC: Videos I saw from that day showed everyone, black, white, and otherwise, all getting along just fine.]

Just maybe arresting a few of them and forfeiting their big masculine props could dissuade them. Just maybe.

DAVID P. BAUGH

Richmond

The writer is a former federal prosecutor and veteran criminal defense attorney.
 

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Page 3. Note #19 below. :)

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15. Where is VCDL located on social media?

Tiny.cc/VCDLsocialmedia

16. Biden's 2A: 1) Doctors to initiate red flags and 2) putting gun makers out of business

Doctors To Initiate Red Flags

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohSyXnF9oxM

Biden's goal 'is to put gun makers out of business'

https://www.wnd.com/2021/01/bidens-goal-put-gun-makers-business/

17. Gun laws don't stop the killing https://gatdaily.com/gun-laws-dont-stop-the-killing/

18. Don't waste your time with Affirm - they are against your right to protect yourself
Affirm (affirm.com) does not allow you to purchase guns, parts, or accessories with their Affirm Virtual Cards. They lump in lawfully purchased guns with illegal items and activities, based on a reply that their Customer Care gave to one of our members.

19. Just for laughs: criminal shoots himself in the leg - caught on Ring doorbell video

Karma. Criminal shoots himself in the leg trying to kick in a door. https://youtu.be/hwIVan_4jnw

20. VCDL in the media
Facebook permanently bans pro-gun group without explanation

https://www.theblaze.com/news/facebook-bans-gun-group-without-explanation

Out of the Barrel of a Gun

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/26/magazine/armed-militia-movement-gun-laws.html

VCDL's social media director, Ed Levine, was interviewed on Fox News about Facebook playing games with VCDL

https://youtu.be/pGxBSxvgiXM

VCDL president on Who Moved My Freedom? show. This was more of a fun session, where we covered a lot of topics

https://youtu.be/TpETMhcY0jY

AR stands for "Anyone's Right"

https://gatdaily.com/ar-stands-for-anyones-right/

Facebook Bans Second Amendment Group for Unknown Reason

https://yournews.com/2021/02/05/2017947/facebook-bans-second-amendment-group-for-unknown-reason/
 

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I keep saying-- you guys need to get to work.

If you want on the list to get these notices by email directly.

https://vcdl.org/PAC-News

You email addy is NEVER sold, rented, share or otherwise spread out for any purpose other than you getting info from VCDL. It takes about 3 clicks to get off the list too.

Nemo

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Status of gun bills as of 2/15/21

HB1992, Murphy, takes away gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. HB1992 was first killed by the committee this morning, but a little while later the vote was revisited and the bill squeaked out of committee on an 8 to 7 vote. HB1992 now heads to Finance. The bill had a substitute in committee this morning. The substitute restores gun rights after 3 years. However, that doesn't actually restore a person's gun rights federally, as the bill must take away all civil rights and then restore all of them for the federal prohibition to be terminated. Worse, HB1992 expands what qualifies as domestic violence, beyond what the federal government uses. For these reasons, VCDL continues to STRONGLY OPPOSE HB1992.

Voting pro-gun: Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Morrissey, Peake

Voting anti-gun: Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko

ACTION ITEM #1!

Click here to tell your Senator that you still oppose HB1992, even with the substitute.

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HB2081, Levine, prohibits guns within 40 feet of polling places. The bill passed out of committee on an 8 to 6 vote and heads to the Senate Floor. VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES HB2081.

Voting pro-gun: Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake
Voting anti-gun: Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey

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HB2276, Simon, is a ban on homemade guns and 80% receivers. The bill was not heard today, but is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Judiciary Criminal Law subcommittee on Wednesday. This is a really bad bill that must be stopped. VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES HB2276.

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HB2298, Fariss, allows for the use of safer "firestick" breach-loaded propellant for muzzleloaders used in hunting. The bill was not heard today, but is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Judiciary committee 1/2 hour after adjournment of the Senate on Wednesday. VCDL STRONGLY SUPPORTS HB2298.

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ACTION ITEM #2!

On Tuesday, February 16, SB1381, Ebbin, which bans guns at the Capitol and in state government buildings, is going to be heard in the House Public Safety Firearms subcommittee at 7 am. VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES SB1381.

Tell your Delegate to OPPOSE SB1381 by clicking here.
 

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Ongoing government.

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1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk
2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House
3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate

1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk
HB2128, Lopez, allows the state to take up to 5 days to do an "instant check," before a gun can be released to the purchaser. In 2020, there was not a single case in Virginia of someone who had waited the current maximum of 3 days, got their gun, and was later determined to be a prohibited person. Talk about solving a non-problem! The case that was referenced in needing this law was a mass-shooting by a person at a church in South Carolina. In that case, it didn't take the police 5 days to figure out he was prohibited, but 2 months! So if that had happened in Virginia, this bill would have made no difference at all. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill.

HB2310, Runion, allows someone who took an online CHP training course before January 1, 2021 and tried to apply for their CHP before January 1, 2021, but couldn't get an appointment before January 1 due to COVID-19 restrictions, to have until before May 1 to reapply. The law becomes effective immediately upon the Governor signing the bill. VCDL Strongly Supports this bill.

2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House SB1381, Ebbin, prohibits firearms in Capitol Square and in state government buildings. The Public Safety Firearms subcommittee put in and amendment that makes the wording the same as Delegate Levine's SB2295, which basically also prohibits guns on the streets and sidewalks that surround Capitol Square. The full committee will vote on that amendment on Friday and I expect them to rubber stamp the change. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate

HB1909, Subramanyam, allows a school board to make their buildings and meeting rooms "gun-free" zones (good luck with that). The bill was changed in the House before it went to the Senate. The bill currently does not make a violation a felony, as it did originally. It doesn't specify a penalty, so it is a Class 1 misdemeanor by default. Like school property, guns left in vehicles must be unloaded (why do they insist on this inherently dangerous requirement that could trigger an unexpected discharge?), or the gun can be loaded if the gun owner has a CHP and remains in the vehicle. The bill is currently assigned to the Public Education subcommittee of the Education committee. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which does nothing for "safety," but infringes yet again on gun owners.

HB1992, Murphy, takes away a person's gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. The bill was modified in committee to automatically restore the person's gun rights after 3 years and who the bill covers was narrowed to more closely match federal law. HOWEVER, it isn't clear from case law that it will restore those rights federally. The bill is now headed to the Finance committee. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill as written. VCDL could support the bill if 1) the definition of who is covered EXACTLY matches federal law and 2) the right to vote, the right to serve on a jury, the right to hold public office, and the right to be a notary public are also taken away and then automatically restored with the firearms rights. Doing so would also remove the federal prohibition.

HB2081, Levine, makes it illegal to possess a firearm within 40 feet of a polling place. The bill is currently on the Senate Floor and was supposed to be voted on today, but it was passed by until tomorrow. That usually indicates a problem in getting support for the bill or some other issue with the bill. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2276, Simon, dealing with "plastic guns" was updated in committee. It now prohibits purchasing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, etc. an unserialized homemade gun. It allows those who already have such a gun to keep it, transport it, or carry it, but they cannot sell it, trade it, or give it away. The bill squeaked out of committee and may well have some trouble on the Senate Floor. Senator Chap Petersen made it clear that the bill needs work before he can support it on the Senate Floor. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2295, Levine, prohibits guns in Capitol Square and state government buildings. The bill was amended in committee to narrow the prohibitions to match Senator Ebbin's SB1381. Thus the prohibition on carry on the streets surrounding Capitol Square were removed. The bill is now on the Senate Floor. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2298, Farris, allows hunting with a new type of muzzleloader that uses a "FireStick", which allows the powder to put into the gun from the breach end in a safer manner than a conventional muzzleloader. The bill is now on the Senate Floor. VCDL Strongly Supports this safety measure.
 

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More info. If you are interested in watching a bit, check item 1 below.

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1. VCDL membership meeting tonight on Youtube
2. Rush Limbaugh Viewed Guns/Gun Rights as a Political Tool for Democrats
3. Politico: Biden's Gun Control Push Sends Message of Hurry Up and Wait, more...
4. 12-year-old shoots at home intruders, killing 1 police say
5. An inconvenient truth for gun grabbers
6. Community Viewpoint: Time for Education
7. LTE on the Winchester City Council serving as a shill for gun-control
8. Inspect your ammo!

1. VCDL membership meeting tonight on Youtube
There is a VCDL membership meeting live on Youtube tonight, starting at 8 pm:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfjb__SDLZWOnZd4zlLX-xg

2. Rush Limbaugh Viewed Guns/Gun Rights as a Political Tool for Democrats
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/17/rush-limbaugh-understood-guns-gun-rights-political-tool-democrats/

3. Politico: Biden's Gun Control Push Sends Message of Hurry Up and Wait, more...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/16/politico-joe-bidens-gun-control-push-sends-message-of-hurry-up-and-wait/

Tricks Democrats in Congress are considering to slip through some gun control:

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/02/10/senate-dems-reconciliation-gun-control-n40835

Article on the White House assuming gun-haters that their agenda is on the radar scope:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-reassures-gun-control-groups-it-will-fulfill-ambitious-gun-control-agenda_3695005.html

4. 12-year-old shoots at home intruders, killing 1 police say
Guns saving lives again:

https://www.wtkr.com/news/national/12-year-old-boy-shoots-at-home-intruders-who-allegedly-tried-to-rob-grandmother-police-say

5. An inconvenient truth for gun grabbers
Actually there are a lot of inconvenient truths for gun grabbers.

https://onlygunsandmoney.com/2021/02/15/an-inconvenient-truth.html

6. Community Viewpoint: Time for Education
https://newsadvance.com/opinion/community_viewpoint/community-viewpoint-time-for-an-education/article_5f2ecb8f-4bbe-51a3-a6e5-7e8c952bf21c.html

7. LTE on the Winchester City Council serving as a shill for gun-control From the Frederick County Republican newsletter:

Ashamed !

From an Angry Reader

I didn't get to attend the Winchester City County online meeting last week (Feb. 9th) due to a prior commitment. But I talked to a friend who filled me in and it was illuminating.

Nearly 20 speakers spoke out against the proposed ordinance to ban guns on city properties (buildings and parks) and during city events while just one spoke in favor. I too am totally opposed to this measure for a variety of reasons -- namely it's yet another infringement of our 2nd amendment rights -- but I was appalled at HOW the meeting proceeded.

According to my friend it appeared decided well in advance (shocker!) and was passed along party lines. This despite the heavy opposition at the meeting. Mr. Dan Hoffman introduced the bill and stated that 127 comments had been filed online. Interestingly, he did not give a tally of the votes for the public record. I decided to look for myself and a quick perusal showed the comments were over 2 to 1 OPPOSED to the resolution.

I also found it interesting that Councilor Hill spoke of his many constituents who favored this bill. How they feared for their lives of people carrying guns in public places. Has this been an on-going problem? I assume they were not inclined to speak but did they voice their opinion online? We were left to wonder if perhaps Mr. Hill was embellishing a bit. He too did not give a tally.

Councilor Milstead (or was it Bell?) pointed out that a similar ordinance was being challenged in court in another locality. Yet my friend said Mr. Milstead commented that if it's found unconstitutional there then we will need to 'revisit' it here. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Councilor Herbstritt had a typical emotional response to a non-existent problem. "We need to pass it so nothing bad will happen here." That despite reams of statistics to the contrary.

Mayor Smith and Councilor Clark had no comment so clearly their minds were made up, public opinion be damned. Couldn't they at least speak to the need of 'why here, why now'?

Worse still may have been Councilor McKiernan who spoke of the need for more information and how she understands the concerns of so many gun owners. Yet when the time came to vote she was a resounding and unhesitating "YES!" How disingenuous and insulting.

I commend Councilors Sullivan and Veach who voted against the measure due to constitutional concerns for which they (and all the other councilors) swore to uphold.

The rest of City Council did not do their jobs. They did not vote in a way that represented the majority of the citizenry. They showed they are not Democrats interested in serving the populace but rather leftists who voted to uphold their ideology.

And that is a true disservice to our community. I'm glad I wasn't there.

8. Inspect your ammo!
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/ammunition/articles/how-to-inspect-your-duty-ammunition-9Fl7lLIogrmhkxlB/
 

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New (as of today) news.

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Bills that have changed status are in a blue font.--- Underlined (blue does not copy and I cannot change color)


1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk
2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House
3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate
4. Charles City County to have meeting on changing shooting ordinance


1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk

HB1992, Murphy, takes away a person's gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. The bill was modified in committee to automatically restore the person's gun rights after 3 years and who the bill covers was narrowed to more closely match federal law. HOWEVER, it isn't clear from case law that it will restore those rights federally. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill as written. VCDL could support the bill if 1) the definition of who is covered EXACTLY matches federal law and 2) the right to vote, the right to serve on a jury, the right to hold public office, and the right to be a notary public are also taken away and then automatically restored with the firearms rights. That would guarantee the removal of the federal prohibition, as opposed to maybe doing so.


HB2081, Levine, makes it illegal to possess a firearm within 40 feet of a polling place. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2128, Lopez, allows the state to take up to 5 days to do an "instant check," before a gun can be released to the purchaser. In 2020, there was not a single case in Virginia of someone who had waited the current maximum of 3 days, got their gun, and was later determined to be a prohibited person. Talk about solving a non-problem! The case that was referenced in needing this law was a mass-shooting by a person at a church in South Carolina. In that case, it didn't take the police 5 days to figure out he was prohibited, but 2 months! So if that had happened in Virginia, this bill would have made no difference at all. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill.

HB2298, Farris, allows hunting with a new type of muzzleloader that uses a "FireStick", which allows the powder to put into the gun from the breach end in a safer manner than a conventional muzzleloader. VCDL Strongly Supports this safety measure.

HB2310, Runion, allows someone who took an online CHP training course before January 1, 2021 and tried to apply for their CHP before January 1, 2021, but couldn't get an appointment before January 1 due to COVID-19 restrictions, to have until before May 1 to reapply. The law becomes effective immediately upon the Governor signing the bill. VCDL Strongly Supports this bill.



2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House
SB1381, Ebbin, prohibits firearms in Capitol Square and in state government buildings. The Public Safety Firearms subcommittee put in an amendment that makes the wording the same as Delegate Levine's SB2295, which basically also prohibits guns on the streets and sidewalks that surround Capitol Square. The full committee voted on that amendment on Friday and rubber stamped the change. The bill is now on the House Floor and will be voted on tomorrow. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.


To watch the video of the Public Safety committee discussing and passing out SB1381, including my comments on the discussion, click here. The lies and distortions aimed at VCDL by Delegates Patrick Hope, Mark Levine, Joshua Cole, and Candi Mundon King are enough to make your blood boil. Two Republican Delegates, Tommy Wright and Glenn Davis, stood up for VCDL and gun owners in their comments.


3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate

HB1909, Subramanyam, allows a school board to make their buildings and meeting rooms "gun-free" zones (good luck with that). The bill was changed in the House before it went to the Senate. The bill currently does not make a violation a felony, as it did originally. It doesn't specify a penalty, so it is a Class 1 misdemeanor by default. Like school property, guns left in vehicles must be unloaded (why do they insist on this inherently dangerous requirement that could trigger an unexpected discharge?), or the gun can be loaded if the gun owner has a CHP and remains in the vehicle. The bill was amended in the Senate Public Education subcommittee of the Education committee to only encompass school board administration buildings and the associated property, not just any property owned by the school board. The bill has passed the Senate, but because it doesn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill went back to the House, where the House rejected the Senate version and has asked for a conference committee to work out a compromise, if possible. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which does nothing for "safety," but infringes yet again on gun owners.

HB2276, Simon, dealing with "plastic guns" was updated in committee. It now prohibits purchasing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, etc. an unserialized homemade gun. It allows those who already have such a gun to keep it, transport it, or carry it, but they cannot sell it, trade it, or give it away. The bill squeaked out of committee and may well have some trouble on the Senate Floor. Senator Chap Petersen made it clear that the bill needs work before he can support it on the Senate Floor. The bill is now on the Senate Floor. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2295, Levine, prohibits guns in Capitol Square and state government buildings. The bill was amended on the Senate Floor to narrow the prohibitions to match Senator Ebbin's SB1381. Thus the prohibition on carry on the streets surrounding Capitol Square were removed. The bill has passed the Senate, but because it doesn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill went back to the House, where the House rejected the Senate version and has asked for a conference committee to work out a compromise, if possible. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.


4. Charles City County to have meeting on changing shooting ordinance

On Thursday, February 25, at 7 pm, the Charles City County Planning Commission will have a virtual meeting on possible changes to a shooting ordinance. To join the meeting, click here.
 

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Some points to remember listed near the bottom. No I don't format it, I just copy and post.

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Bills that have changed status are in a blue font. underlined here-- N

1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk
2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House
3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate
4. Action Item: Loudoun County Board of Supervisors to have hearing on local gun-control on Tuesday, March 2!


1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk


HB1992, Murphy, takes away a person's gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. The bill was modified in committee to automatically restore the person's gun rights after 3 years and who the bill covers was narrowed to more closely match federal law. HOWEVER, it isn't clear from case law that it will restore those rights federally. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill as written. VCDL could support the bill if 1) the definition of who is covered EXACTLY matches federal law and 2) the right to vote, the right to serve on a jury, the right to hold public office, and the right to be a notary public are also taken away and then automatically restored with the firearms rights. That would guarantee the removal of the federal prohibition, as opposed to maybe doing so.

HB2081, Levine, makes it illegal to possess a firearm within 40 feet of a polling place. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2128, Lopez, allows the state to take up to 5 days to do an "instant check," before a gun can be released to the purchaser. In 2020, there was not a single case in Virginia of someone who had waited the current maximum of 3 days, got their gun, and was later determined to be a prohibited person. Talk about solving a non-problem! The case that was referenced in needing this law was a mass-shooting by a person at a church in South Carolina. In that case, it didn't take the police 5 days to figure out he was prohibited, but 2 months! So if that had happened in Virginia, this bill would have made no difference at all. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill.

HB2298, Farris, allows hunting with a new type of muzzleloader that uses a "FireStick", which allows the powder to put into the gun from the breach end in a safer manner than a conventional muzzleloader. VCDL Strongly Supports this safety measure.

HB2310, Runion, allows someone who took an online CHP training course before January 1, 2021 and tried to apply for their CHP before January 1, 2021, but couldn't get an appointment before January 1 due to COVID-19 restrictions, to have until before May 1 to reapply. The law becomes effective immediately upon the Governor signing the bill. VCDL Strongly Supports this bill.



2. Gun bills that are still alive in the House
SB1381, Ebbin, prohibits firearms in Capitol Square and in state government buildings. The Public Safety Firearms subcommittee put in an amendment that makes the wording the same as Delegate Levine's SB2295, which basically also prohibits guns on the streets and sidewalks that surround Capitol Square. The full committee voted on that amendment on Friday and rubber stamped the change. The bill passed the House and the Senate rejected the House's changes. The bill now heads back to the House, where the House can accept the Senate version, or reject it and ask for a conference committee. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.


To watch the video of the Public Safety committee discussing and passing out SB1381, including my comments on the discussion, click here. The lies and distortions aimed at VCDL by Delegates Patrick Hope, Mark Levine, Joshua Cole, and Candi Mundon King are enough to make your blood boil. Two Republican Delegates, Tommy Wright and Glenn Davis, stood up for VCDL and gun owners in their comments.


3. Gun bills that are still alive in the Senate

HB1909, Subramanyam, allows a school board to make their buildings and meeting rooms "gun-free" zones (good luck with that). The bill was changed in the House before it went to the Senate. The bill currently does not make a violation a felony, as it did originally. It doesn't specify a penalty, so it is a Class 1 misdemeanor by default. Like school property, guns left in vehicles must be unloaded (why do they insist on this inherently dangerous requirement that could trigger an unexpected discharge?), or the gun can be loaded if the gun owner has a CHP and remains in the vehicle. The bill was amended in the Senate Public Education subcommittee of the Education committee to only encompass school board administration buildings and the associated property, not just any property owned by the school board. The bill passed the Senate, but because it didn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill headed back to the House. The House rejected the Senate version and the bill is now in conference committee (House committee members: Subramanyam, Hope, and Coyner. No Senate committee members yet). VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which does nothing for "safety," but infringes yet again on gun owners.

HB2276, Simon, dealing with "plastic guns" was updated in committee. It now prohibits purchasing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, etc. an unserialized homemade gun. It allows those who already have such a gun to keep it, transport it, or carry it, but they cannot sell it, trade it, or give it away. The bill squeaked out of committee and was amendment on the Senate Floor to become effective only if it is passed again during the 2022 General Assembly session. Senator Chap Petersen made a great case against the bill on the Senate Floor. The bill passed the Senate, but because it doesn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill heads back to the House. The House can accept the Senate version, or reject it and call for a conference committee. VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.

HB2295, Levine, prohibits guns in Capitol Square and state government buildings. The bill was amended on the Senate Floor to narrow the prohibitions to match Senator Ebbin's SB1381. Thus, the prohibition on carry on the streets surrounding Capitol Square were removed. The bill has passed the Senate, but because it didn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill headed back to the House. The House rejected the Senate version and the bill is now in conference committee (House committee members: Levine, Simon, and Ransone. No Senate committee members yet). VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill, which is a solution in search of a problem.



4. Action Item: Loudoun County Board of Supervisors to have hearing on local gun-control on Tuesday, March 2!


The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors is going to a have virtual hearing on a proposed local gun-control ordinance on Tuesday, March 2, at 6pm. You can also show up in person at the meeting room to speak. To sign up as a speaker, call 703-777-0200 after 8:30 am on Friday. Speakers will be heard in the order they signed up. Sign up ends on Tuesday at noon. Let's make sure we have the vast majority of speakers!

Some talking points to consider:

* There have been no incidents of violence in Loudoun County government buildings and parks to justify any prohibitions. If it isn't broke, don't fix it


* Gun-free zones are where most mass public-shootings happen


* Truly "sensitive" government buildings are not open to the public, have a high degree of security, and require special permission to enter - think CIA, NSA, FBI buildings


* Someone being afraid of someone else exercising a right, does not give government authority to infringe on that right


* Only 10 localities out of 190 localities have passed local gun-control. Loudoun County gun laws should be consistent with the vast majority of the state


* By prohibiting guns in buildings, that means the law-abiding are also disarmed in the parking lot and while walking to/from the government building. Who benefits from that, other than a violent criminal?


* CHP holders have had their backgrounds thoroughly vetted by the state, have had training, and are known by the state to be the most law-abiding group of citizens. Some CHP holders are under active threats to their lives. Disarming them is to put their lives in grave danger unnecessarily
 

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Some BIG wins. Take note of Section 2.

Get some good organization and bunch of calls, emails and visits going on and you really can have an effect.

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Bills that have changed status are in a blue font.-- Underlined


1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk
2. Bill to ban homemade guns and 80% receivers was defeated!


1. Gun bills that have passed the General Assembly and are headed to Governor's desk


SB1381, Ebbin, and HB2295, Levine, prohibits firearms in Capitol Square and in state government buildings. The final bills removed tasers from the list of prohibited weapons, leaving only firearms and explosives as being prohibited. The final bills also narrowed the area where carry on the sidewalks surrounding the Capitol isn't allowed. The prohibited area is on Bank Street where the legislators walk between the Capitol Building and the Pocahontas Building. Thus, all but a very small area of the sidewalk surrounding the Capitol (100 feet total) are not affected by the ban. Parking lots on state property were removed as a prohibited area and state parks were specifically exempted from the firearm ban. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill.

HB1909, Subramanyam, allows a school board to make their buildings and meeting rooms "gun-free" zones (good luck with that). The final bill narrowed the scope to cover only buildings where the school board meets regularly to conduct business. As far as parking lots on prohibited property, the same rules as for a school apply: either guns are unloaded and stored in a closed container or a person with a CHP can have a concealed, loaded handgun in the vehicle as long as the CHP holder stays in the vehicle. Finally, a violation of this law was reduced from a Class 6 felony, to a class 1 misdemeanor. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill.



HB1992, Murphy, takes away a person's gun rights for a conviction of misdemeanor domestic violence. The bill was modified in committee to automatically restore the person's gun rights after 3 years and who the bill covers was narrowed to more closely match federal law. HOWEVER, it isn't clear from case law that it will restore those rights federally. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill as written. VCDL could support the bill if 1) the definition of who is covered EXACTLY matches federal law and 2) the right to vote, the right to serve on a jury, the right to hold public office, and the right to be a notary public are also taken away and then automatically restored with the firearms rights. That would guarantee the removal of the federal prohibition, as opposed to maybe doing so.

HB2081, Levine, makes it illegal to possess a firearm within 40 feet of a polling place. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill.

HB2128, Lopez, allows the state to take up to 5 days to do an "instant check," before a gun can be released to the purchaser. In 2020, there was not a single case in Virginia of someone who had waited the current maximum of 3 days, got their gun, and was later determined to be a prohibited person. Talk about solving a non-problem! The case that was referenced in needing this law was a mass-shooting by a person at a church in South Carolina. In that case, it didn't take the police 5 days to figure out he was prohibited, but 2 months! So if that had happened in Virginia, this bill would have made no difference at all. This pointless bill has been signed by the Governor and becomes effective on July 1, 2021. VCDL Strongly Opposed this bill.

HB2298, Farris, allows hunting with a new type of muzzleloader that uses a "FireStick", which allows the powder to put into the gun from the breach end in a safer manner than a conventional muzzleloader. VCDL Strongly Supported this safety measure.

HB2310, Runion, allows someone who took an online CHP training course before January 1, 2021 and tried to apply for their CHP before January 1, 2021, but couldn't get an appointment before January 1 due to COVID-19 restrictions, to have until before May 1 to reapply. The law becomes effective immediately upon the Governor signing the bill. VCDL Strongly Supported this bill.


2. Bill to ban homemade guns and 80% receivers was defeated!

Congratulations - your phone calls and emails help defeat one of the worst gun bills in the 2021 General Assembly session and defeated two other bad gun-bills, as well!

HB2276, Delegate Simon, which VCDL Strongly Opposed, would have prohibited purchasing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, etc. an unserialized homemade gun. HB2276 originally banned possession with no grandfather clause for existing gun owners. The prohibition on possession was removed, allowing those who already had such a gun to keep it, transport it, or carry it, but not sell it, trade it, or give it away. The bill squeaked out of committee and was amended on the Senate Floor to become effective only if it is passed again during the 2022 General Assembly session. Senator Chap Petersen (D) made a great case against the bill on the Senate Floor. The bill passed the Senate, but because it didn't match how it was passed in the House, the bill headed back to the House. The House rejected the Senate version. The bill went to a conference committee (House conferees: Simon, Hope, Robinson. Senate conferees: Deeds, Petersen, Surovell), but it did not report out. Quite possibly the conference committee simply could not agree on a compromise acceptable to both Houses. Or, perhaps, the General Assembly decided that HB2276 was such a hot potato, that they just let it die a quiet death. Either way, the clock ran out late Saturday night and the General Assembly adjourned for the year. (The actual end of session is Monday, but that day is not used to pass legislation. Only staff and a few legislators will be there to wrap up some technical odds and ends.)

Other gun-control bills defeated this session include:

  • SB1250, Deeds, required a background check for rental guns
  • SB1382, Favola, would have created a lifetime ban on firearm ownership for those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence
 

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Fed Gun Control Anticipated.

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1. Action item: Contact your representative in Congress to oppose gun control being voted on next week
2. Action item: Contact the Portsmouth City Council to oppose revocation of the City's Second Amendment Sanctuary status

1. Action item: Contact your representative in Congress to oppose gun control being voted on next week

There is word that the House of Representatives will vote on two federal gun-control bills as soon as next week:

1. H.R. 8 would create a federal universal-background-check law

2. H.R 1446 would allow the government to take as long as it likes to do a NICS background-check. You could literally wait months to get clearance to purchase a firearm!

To send a prewritten email to your Representative, and to get your Representative's phone number to also leave a verbal message, click here.

2. Action item: Contact the Portsmouth City Council to oppose revocation of the City's Second Amendment Sanctuary status

City Councilman Mark Whittaker, a convicted felon who can't own a firearm, has asked his fellow City Council members to consider adopting a resolution that rescinds the City's Second Amendment Sanctuary status. That resolution is on the agenda (item #21-89 b) for the City Council meeting on Tuesday, March 9, at 5 pm.

We need to absolutely bombard City Council with emails and phone calls in total opposition to that resolution. Let's also have a ton of speakers at the meeting.

Here is how to contact City Council in opposition to 21-89 b:

  • send an email to all city council members at once by clicking here: [email protected]
  • call 757-335-4928 and leave a message
* pre-register to speak at the meeting by calling: 757-393-8639 and providing your name, address, phone number, email address, and agenda item #21-89 b

Here is the agenda for March 9: https://www.portsmouthva.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_03092021-688
Here is the resolution: https://www.portsmouthva.gov/DocumentCenter/View/10000/21-89-Resolution
 

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1. Loudoun County Board of Supervisors passes modified local gun-control
2. Portsmouth looking to rescind 2A Sanctuary resolution - who are the players on City Council?
3. Action Item: Bloomberg/Johns Hopkins Univ. "survey" on gun control
4. Triggered - looking at the surge in gun ownership in the Winchester area
5. Breaking! Prince George County to discuss hunting with a rifle on March 9
6. Senator Surovell admits to wanting barriers and hoops put in front of gun owners
7. R.I.P. VCDL activist and volunteer Marvin Wilburn
8. [FL] Who needs a gun in church?
9. Judge Jeanine goes after Biden's gun grab
10. Gun grabbers in Congress want Biden to create a "gun czar"
11. Joe Biden's attack on gun owners
12. Gun-Control groups fed up with Biden
13. Garland, Biden's Attorney General nominee, says he will pursue gun-control agenda
14. ROFL! We are now "gun imperialists!"
15. [DC] Oops - so much for "armed insurgents", no firearms recovered on January 6
16. [IL] Oops #2 - Black Chicagoans flooding concealed carry courses
17. Understanding the relationship between the 2nd and 3rd Amendments
18. [LA] Armed citizens credited with stopping a shooting spree at a gun range
19. Colion Noire demolishes gun-controller's arguments [VIDEO]
20. 14 things you should understand about guns before writing about them


1. Loudoun County Board of Supervisors passes modified local gun-control
Tuesday night, all but two of the public speakers on the Loudoun County proposed local gun-control ordinance were against it. It was overwhelmingly opposed and I was proud of some of the excellent speakers on our side.

The original version, which was put forward by Moms Demand Action member and Board of Supervisors member Juli Briskman, was rejected by a 4 to 5 margin with Supervisors Phyllis Randall and Kristen Umstattd joining Tony Buffington, Caleb Kershner, and Matthew Letourneau in voting against the motion. They don't come much more arrogant than Ms. Briskman, who told Jews who wanted protection in parks, that they would be allowed to bring their own private armed security to those parks! I can picture Marie Antoinette's disembodied head beaming down at Ms. Bricksman with pride at Briskman's "let them eat cake" response to those concerned Jews.
Ms. Randall, then put forward her version, which exempts CHP holders in parks, as long as they don't have a magazine in their concealed-only handgun which can hold more than 20 rounds. Her version also prohibits those CHP holders from having rifles and shotguns with certain features. Uh, Ms. Randall, CHP holders cannot legally conceal long guns at all. Sheesh.

Ms. Randall's version also removed from the items banned in 684.04 (a), ", components or combination thereof." Making that line read, "(a) The possession, carrying, or transportation of any firearms or ammunition is prohibited in:"

I must say I was pleasantly surprised when Ms. Randall stood up to the bullying Moms Demand Action (MDA) crowd, when she said MDA was for "commonsense" gun laws, but banning guns in parks, where there is no security, wasn't commonsense. The truth is that banning guns everywhere is considered commonsense by MDA.

Of course, there were the inane arguments. Supervisors Saines gave the argument that all rights have limits, such as yelling "bomb" (his example) in a theater. That would be the equivalent of brandishing a gun. Something purposely meant to scare people. We don't tape everyone's mouth shut in a theater because they might yell, "bomb." We punish them only if they were to do so.

Supervisor Glass said that if Loudoun County is such a safe place, who needs a gun? Sigh.

It gets better. Supervisor Koran Saines, who is black, wants to raise the price of CHPs above $50 (luckily he can't). Guess who that would effect the most? Poor blacks and latinos, for starters. So I guess Saines is saying if you are poor your life doesn't matter. You can't make this stuff up.

Letourneau, Buffington, and Kershner all stood solidly with gun owners during the discussion and votes. In the end, Randall's version passed on a 6 to 3 vote with Letourneau, Buffington, and Kershner voting "no."

The ordinance will become effective as soon as signs are posted.

In summary, here is what the ordinance does:

  • Bans guns and ammunition, including those belonging to CHP holders, in County buildings, including community and recreation centers. If a building is owned or leased by the County, the ban only applies to those parts of the building used for government purposes. Components of firearms or ammunition are not prohibited. Bullets, just like cartridges, are considered ammunition, however, and appear to be banned.
  • Bans guns in parks, except for CHP holders if the handgun is concealed and has a magazine that holds 20 rounds or less.
  • Guns, ammo, and components can be stored in vehicles as long as they are out of sight. The only place I can see this is useful is in parks for non-CHP holders.
  • There are no bans at permitted events or at events that should be permitted.


Next county election, those of you in Loudoun need to get involved politically and give Saines, Briskman, Turner, and Glass the old heave-ho. Randall and Umstattd are not exactly friends either, but at least they do have some modicum of respect for gun owners.

Thanks to Letourneau, Buffington, and Kershner for standing solidly with gun owners.


2. Portsmouth looking to rescind 2A Sanctuary resolution - who are the players on City Council?

The following was compiled by our Watch Team for Local Government team leader. We need to keep Portsmouth in alignment with the 95% of the state that is either a Second Amdendment or a Constitutional Sanctuary:

Shannon E. Glover
Title: Mayor
Phone: 757-393-8746
[email protected]
2A stance: Mr.Glover strongly OPPOSED, and voted NO on the 2A Resolution last year, as a councilman. He is now the mayor.

De'Andre A. Barnes
Title: Vice Mayor
Phone: 757-761-4457
[email protected]
2A stance: Unknown. This is Mr. Barnes’ first year on City Council. He was previously on the school board.

William E "Bill" Moody, Jr.
Title: Councilman
Phone: 757-714-5471
[email protected]
2A stance: Mr. Moody strongly SUPPORTED, and voted YES on the 2A Resolution last year. He was, and is, one of our biggest allies.

Lisa Lucas-Burke
Title: Councilwoman
Phone: 757-418-7658
[email protected]
2A stance: Mrs. Lucas-Burke strongly OPPOSED, and voted NO on the 2A Resolution last year, as Vice-Mayor. She was replaced by Mr. Barnes this year, and is now a councilwoman. (Side note- She is the daughter of notoriously anti-2A state senator L. Louise Lucas)

Dr. Mark Whitaker
Title: Councilman
Phone: 757-754-3172
[email protected]
2A stance: Obviously anti-2A, as he has initiated the motion to rescind the 2A Resolution, that we all worked so hard to get passed last year. Mr. Whitaker served previously as a council member from 2015-2018, but was suspended from his seat after a judge sentenced him on three felony forgery counts. Then in 2019, Governor Ralph Northam restored his right to hold public office, which allowed him to seek re-election in 2020. One can safely assume that he is now seeking to repay that favor.. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portsmouth-s-mark-whitaker-was-vindicated-by-voters-after-a-criminal-case-launched-by-a-political-foe/ar-BB1aSaoz

Paul J. Battle
Title: Councilman
Phone: 757-816-9147
[email protected]
2A stance: Mr. Battle strongly SUPPORTED, and voted YES on the 2A Resolution last year. He was, and is, one of our biggest allies.

Christopher Woodard
Title: Councilman
Phone: 757-980-7832
[email protected]
2A stance: Unknown. This is Mr. Woodard’s first year on City Council.


To reach all of them at once, use this email: [email protected]

3. Action Item: Bloomberg/Johns Hopkins Univ. "survey" on gun control
On "Ghost Guns." You can see the bias in the questions, but let them hear the truth anyhow:


https://jhsph.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_aV7yHqKCfGtta1U


4. Triggered - looking at the surge in gun ownership in the Winchester area

http://winchesterstar.va.newsmemory.com/publink.php?shareid=36bb13c5b



5. Breaking! Prince George County to discuss hunting with a rifle on March 9

We need to keep an eye on Prince George County, as the Board of Supervisors was going to be discussing hunting with a rifle at their March 2 work session, which was cancelled. The subject is supposed to come up at their March 9 regular meeting. The agenda for that meeting has not yet been published. Once we have confirmed that subject is on the agenda, an action item will be put out.

Thanks to EM Leyla Myers for catching this. Leyla is not a Watch Team for Local Government team leader, but this is another example of why our WTLGs need to keep their eyes open.



6. Senator Surovell admits to wanting barriers and hoops put in front of gun owners

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/02/va-senator-admits-to-adding-barriers-hoops-for-gun-owners/

7. R.I.P. VCDL activist and volunteer Marvin Wilburn

It's with a heavy heart that I have to report the passing of one of our activists in SW Virginia - Marvin Wilburn. Marvin is the father of VCDL Executive member John Wilburn. Marvin and Nina (John's mother) worked many events with John, but especially Steppin' Out, every year in Blacksburg.

An elderly gun-grabbing female (definitely not a lady) came up to Marvin a few years ago at Steppin' Out, ripped the GSL sticker off Marvin's chest, wadded it up, and threw it in his face (another example of the violent nature of most gun-controllers in my experience). Marvin did not respond, but the Blacksburg Police, who had a booth across from the VCDL booth that year, witnessed the whole thing! (She sure didn't plan that attack very well! ) The police detained her for about 30 minutes. Marvin declined to file charges against her and she was released. We never had any problems with that female after that.

We were all shaking our heads as to why she picked on Marvin, who always had a smile on his face and was mild-mannered. Violent people do violent things, I guess.

Steppin' Out won't be the same without Marvin - he will be missed. Marvin is on the left in this photo:

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8. [FL] Who needs a gun in church?

Yeah, who indeed:

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/public-safety/2021/02/21/gunman-barricade-at-melbourne-church



9. Judge Jeanine goes after Biden's gun grab

She leaves a smoking pit in the ground where the gun-grabbers were standing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0RVp6jlAos



10. Gun grabbers in Congress want Biden to create a "gun czar"

https://youtu.be/PR6T2Q_PjGg



11. Joe Biden's attack on gun owners

http://winchesterstar.va.newsmemory.com/publink.php?shareid=2502122ef



12. Gun-Control groups fed up with Biden

They probably expected Biden to ban semi-automatic rifles as soon as he said "I do" when sworn in.


https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2021/02/25/gun-control-groups-fed-joe-biden/



13. Garland, Biden's Attorney General nominee, says he will pursue gun-control agenda

And this guy almost became a Supreme Court justice under Obama!

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/02/bidens-ag-nominee-garland-says-doj-would-pursue-gun-control-agenda/



14. ROFL! We are now "gun imperialists!"

Hey fellow Gun Imperialists, here's an opinion piece by a gun "inferiorist". He makes lots of crazy claims, including that gun owners are trying to inhibit free speech, nonetheless!

No, that would be the gun-grabbers. They have been trying to shut us up for years - Northam's declaration of a state of emergency in January 2020, banning guns in the Capitol, no guns at gatherings in Richmond and other areas, Facebook shutting down VCDL's page without being able to give a valid reason, and on and on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-cant-let-the-gun-imperialists-win-again/2021/02/19/afedd77a-72fb-11eb-b8a9-b9467510f0fe_story.html



15. [DC] Oops - so much for "armed insurgents", no firearms recovered on January 6

As usual the gun controllers are lying through their teeth. They like to paint false pictures in everyone's mind using made up terms, like "assault weapon" for a semi-automatic rifle and "ghost guns" for homemade guns. Now they want everyone to blame gun owners for an "armed insurgency" in DC on January 6. That, too, is a lie:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-counterterrorism-official-no-firearms-recovered-during-jan-6-capitol-breach_3719267.html


16. [IL] Oops #2 - Black Chicagoans flooding concealed carry courses
Gun controllers want to disarm all of us, but especially minorities. They have spent decade deceiving minorities on their gun rights to keep them disarmed and helpless. Well, it's not working, and the gun-controllers are probably frothing at the mouth. It's music to VCDL's ears, though:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/02/chicago-tribune-blacks-flood-concealed-carry-courses-seeking-safety/



17. Understanding the relationship between the 2nd and 3rd Amendments
And you thought crash-test dummies were, well, dummies!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/F584p5kJL-U?rel=0


18. [LA] Armed citizens credited with stopping a shooting spree at a gun range

Idiot attacks people at a gun range. Not sure how he thought it would turn out, but I could have told him.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/louisiana-shooting-spree-leaves-3-dead-armed-citizens-credited-with-saving-lives


19. Colion Noire demolishes gun-controller's arguments [VIDEO]

https://youtu.be/qV0dG1ky67w



20. 14 things you should understand about guns before writing about them

https://thefederalist.com/2015/02/24/14-things-everyone-should-understand-about-guns/
 

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Update-- You gents need to get going. Got some good things happening up here, some bad things.

Note Item 8, PD, violent attack, timing and such.

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1. Victory: Portsmouth votes to remain a Second Amendment Sanctuary!
2. Prince George County to have vote on allowing hunting with rifles above .22 caliber
3. Action item: Roanoke City Council to consider sweeping local gun-control on March 15!
4. Help needed: Roanoke Gun Show to be held ONLY on Saturday, March 20
5. Chantilly gun-show postponed until April
6. Help needed: Richmond gun show on March 27 and 28
7. Gun owners villainized as publicly carrying guns only for intimidation purposes!
8. VCDL member witnesses violent attack in Richmond, but PD is too late to help
9. Updated song/video that was used on Lobby Day 2021
10. Article on Loudoun County passing local gun-control
11. [IL] Guns saving lives: 69-year-old shoots robber in Chicago
12. The idiocy of the "Charleston Loophole" Bill
13. General Flynn has VCDL Second Amendment Sanctuary map on his wall in video


1. Victory: Portsmouth votes to remain a Second Amendment Sanctuary!
Your calls and emails worked! Last night, Portsmouth City Council walked away from retracting their status as a Second Amendment Sanctuary. They would have been the only locality out of 149 to have done so.

Voting with gun owners: Vice Mayor Barnes and City Council members Woodard, Moody, and Lucas-Burke
Voting against gun owners: Mayor Glover and City Council members Whitaker and Battle

Thanks to Jason Ward, VCDL's Watch Team for Local Government Team Leader and Tim C. for their report on the meeting. Jason addressed City Council in opposition to repealing the City's sanctuary status.

Mr. Whitaker tried to shame City Council into supporting his effort to remove the sanctuary status, while Mr. Woodard made the successful motion to have Whitaker's item removed from the agenda.

If you live in Portsmouth, be sure to contact Vice Mayor Barnes and City Council members Woodard, Moody, and Lucas-Burke to thank them for their vote to protect the City's sanctuary status.

Video of the meeting. Skip to 1:26:00 mark to watch Council debating the City's sanctuary status. https://youtu.be/aQtLTTfFXIY

Media coverage:

WTKR coverage: https://www.wtkr.com/news/portsmouth-city-council-decides-to-keep-second-amendment-resolution


2. Prince George County to have vote on allowing hunting with rifles above .22 caliberChadwick Creech, VCDL's Watch Team for Local Government team leader for Prince George county, gave me the following write up about the Prince George County Board of Supervisors meeting on hunting with rifles on Tuesday night:

Prince George County just finished up the public section of the meeting pertaining to hunting with a rifle larger than.22 caliber. Other than one question from a board member on clarification of what caliber means, there were no objections to moving forward to write up a proposal for the March 23rd meeting and a subsequent public hearing on April 27th. At that point an amendment would be passed prior to May 1st to be on the books with the game and inland fishery dept. to take effect next hunting season. The point was made that Dinwiddie and Sussex already allow hunting with a rifle with calibers larger than .22 from an elevation of at least 10 feet. as such Prince George would just be aligning themselves with our neighboring counties.

EM Leyla Myers provided this report:

March 9 discussion summary:

County Attorney Dan Whitten made presentation. Currently, the governing laws are Va Code 29.1-528 (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title29.1/chapter5/section29.1-528/) and County Code 6-6 (https://library.municode.com/va/prince_george_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH6AN_ARTIINGE_S6-6HURICALA.2RIHUGRRILA.2RIUSMUADRILEHAHULI)

One of the Board members was asked by his constituents to amend the code to allow hunting with rifles larger than .22 rimfire. The expected language would include for the hunter to use a tree stand, unless there is a disabled hunter who will qualify for exemption (Va Code 29.1-528.2), or farmer exemption (Va Code 29.1-529); and not have a loaded weapon until the hunter is up in the stand. Mr. Whitten compared current status in neighboring counties: Surry, Chesterfield, Charles City - do not allow this. Sussex and Dinwiddie already allow this; he spoke with someone at one of these counties and was told that most accidents are connected to inexperienced hunters, lack of proper training.

He commented also that some modern muzzle loaders can be more powerful than the .22 rimfire rifles. No opposition was expressed by any Board members.

The County would need to have a public hearing to change this ordinance. Board told Mr Whitten to bring a draft language for proposed change to the next meeting March 23; it would then be advertised for a public hearing sometime at the end of April. It would need to be adopted by May 1 in order to allow time to notify the enforcing authorities about new ordinance.


3. Action item: Roanoke City Council to consider sweeping local gun-control on March 15!
It was like pulling teeth, but Maynard Keller got a copy of the proposed local gun-control ordinance for Roanoke City Council. It's every bit as bad as I was expecting and pretty much lines up with localities like Alexandria and Winchester. It bans possession, carrying, or transport of firearms, ammunition, or components thereof in City buildings, parks, and recreation and community centers. It doesn't ban guns at permitted events, however. It also allows guns at the Bergland Center, but only when a gun show is being held there. There are no exceptions for CHP holders. A violation would be a Class 1 misdemeanor (up to 12 months in jail and/or up to a $2,500 fine).

The public hearing for the proposed ordinance is Monday, March 15, at 7:00 p.m. Citizens must preregister to call in via Zoom. The deadline to register is noon, Monday. Let's pack this meeting with speakers!

Here's the link to sign up to speak before City Council. For "Agenda Item", I just put "gun control":

https://roanokeva.gov/FormCenter/City-Council-10/Signup-Form-to-Speak-Before-Roanoke-City-149



4. Help needed: Roanoke Gun Show to be held ONLY on Saturday, March 20
The Roanoke Gun Show will be only one day: SATURDAY, March 20, 2021.

VCDL members wishing to assist need to aware of this change!

Saturday show hours are from 8 AM--5 PM

  • VCDL helpers for SATURDAY AM SHIFT need to be at the show by 7 AM and help until 12 NOON
  • SATURDAY afternoon shift will start at 12 NOON and run until 5 PM

Set up time for the VCDL table will be at 2:30 PM on Friday.

PLEASE confirm your desired shift to [email protected]. Limit to FIVE helpers per shift.



5. Chantilly gun-show postponed until April


From The Nation's Gun Show at Dulles Expo Center (Showmasters):

"The Nation's Gun Show scheduled for March 12, 13 & 14, 2021 at the Dulles Expo Center located at 4320 Chantilly Shopping Ctr., Chantilly, VA 20153 has been postponed. The next Nation's Gun Show is scheduled for April 23, 24 & 25, 2021.

2020 Annual Passes will still be honored for the first three shows of 2021.

Finally, it does appear COVID is coming to an end. March 15th public schools open in Virginia. Bars are now open until midnight. Most of the occupancy limits are being relaxed. Since the holidays, COVID is down a minimum of 30% worldwide. In the U.S., COVID is down 77% since the holidays. In Virginia, it is down 44%. By the April show date, we are optimistic that we will be back to the occupancy limits we had in August and October at the Nation's Gun Show. Therefore, we have decided to postpone the March show instead of showing with less than 25% of the original tables. If we had done a much smaller show, most of the public would wait for hours, not make it into the show, and be rightfully angered.

If you would like us to open up as much as we would, please contact the Governor and your legislators. Please ask your customers and helpers to contact them also."

6. Help needed: Richmond gun show on March 27 and 28
The next Richmond gun show is scheduled for the last weekend of this month, March 27 & 28 at:

Richmond Raceway Complex
600 E Laburnum Avenue
Richmond, VA 23223

Since the last several shows were cancelled, this promises to be a very busy show indeed!

We have many new members who want to know how they can support VCDL. Volunteering for a few hours at a gun show is a great way for both new and established members to get involved and support VCDL.
Helping at a gun show is fun and requires no previous experience. First-timers are needed and very welcome.

Gun show volunteers are admitted free. Many of the exhibitor/vendors offer discounts to our volunteers. If you are a first-timer, don't worry, we'll have experienced member-volunteers on every shift to help you.
Right now we have openings for all shifts.......

Saturday, Mar. 27 Morning Shift: 9:00am-1:00pm
Saturday Mar. 27 Afternoon Shift: 1:00pm-5:00pm

Sunday Mar. 28 Morning Shift: 10:00am-1:30pm
Sunday Mar. 28 Afternoon Shift: 1:30pm-5:00pm

Mark your calendars. It's time to step-up and get involved!

Contact either of the VCDL Richmond Gun Show Coordinators, John Gosney or Dave Eckart at: [email protected]


7. Gun owners villainized as publicly carrying guns only for intimidation purposes!
Lots of gun-controller crocodile tears flowing in this article by some law professors. The article claims gun owners carry guns in public to intimidate others and deprive them of their ability to speak, assemble, worship, and vote without fear. Amazing how these professors can divine such things out of thin air. The laws on brandishing, which we already have, covers the professors' concerns.


https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2177621741642/guns-are-a-threat-to-the-body-politic


8. VCDL member witnesses violent attack in Richmond, but PD is too late to help
An email I received from member in Richmond:

About 8:15 am Saturday morning, I heard a lot of noise coming from the rear alley behind my residence. I was preparing to leave for the day, so I looked out my kitchen window and witnessed a confrontation between two people in the bank parking lot. A female and a male were wrestling each other. The male was trying to put the female back in a car.

The female bolted away from the male. The male caught her and body slammed her the asphalt pavement. I exited my yard and went to the female's defense. The male continued to slam the female to the ground.

While this going on I was on the phone with 9-1-1. I requested police and EMS.

The female appeared to be unconscious.

I told the male to let go of the female. He refused. Had his fists not been clinched around the clothing of the female, I can safely say that I would have shot him. He knew I was armed. My firearm was secured in my OWB holster.

The couple left before the police arrived, about 10 minutes later. The police were at the Third Precinct. They said a domestic dispute was not a priority call. I never saw EMS.

I am sharing this so others can learn that the RPD cannot be counted on. The police continue to stand down on crime in Richmond.

Some thoughts on this:

  • Domestic disputes can lead to fatalities or severe injuries, so putting them as low priority seems nonsensical. What would be a more urgent call for help than one where someone is being severely beaten?
  • Would the member have been justified in shooting the male? I would think so. A person that has been knocked unconscious, and with an attack continuing, can easily be killed with a single kick or stomp to the head or neck by their assailant
  • As always, I would caution anyone getting involved in a third-party situation unless they know all the circumstances. But this case is pretty clear: a woman running from a man is body slammed into unconsciousness, with the attack continuing. It's clear who is the aggressor and that he is in a position to kill the woman. That said, being careful is critical, as you may not be the only person with a gun
  • I carry a gun because I don't expect the police will be there when I need them. I hope they will, but I don't expect it to be the case



9. Updated song/video that was used on Lobby Day 2021
VCDL Lobby Day 2021 featured a pro-2A song/video by Carla Howell. She rushed to get us a cut in time. She has now released the final version and it's excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4A6U8HOrE

10. Article on Loudoun County passing local gun-control
"Nico Bocour, government affairs director for the gun-control advocacy group Giffords, said that Virginia allowing localities to restrict firearms in public provides an opportunity for each community to address their own specific needs." [There hasn't been any problems in Loudoun government buildings, parks, recreation or community centers. Same with the other localities that have passed local gun-control. What local need are they addressing specifically?]

"'You never know what might happen,' Mr. Bocour said." [Exactly, Mr. Bocour. That's why I carry a gun with me wherever I go and why I want to carry them in Loudoun County buildings - all of them.]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/8/city-county-gun-bans-bring-2nd-amendment-debate-to/


11. [IL] Guns saving lives: 69-year-old shoots robber in Chicago
69-Year-Old Concealed Permit Holder Shoots Chicago Robber

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/10/69-year-old-concealed-permit-holder-shoots-chicago-robber/


12. The idiocy of the "Charleston Loophole" Bill
The Idiocracy of the "Charleston Loophole" Bill, Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2021 HR 1446
https://youtu.be/tLWHUi367q4



13. General Flynn has VCDL Second Amendment Sanctuary map on his wall in video
Watching an interview with General Flynn, eagle-eyed Marie Hoerst noticed the VCDL Second Amendment Sanctuary map on the wall next to him. ;-)


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Seems the Communist in Virginia want a cease fire till after the next election. Or something like that. Hell it's Virginia. Nemo lives there so who knows what is going on there.
 

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They want a cease fire because they know they will get blown over the Chesapeake and Atlantic before they get back to water in the Black Sea.

And I keep noting things here to give you guys some interest and inspiration to get some tables set up a gun shows to do some recruiting.

My BIG bet is most show operators will let you set up a recruiting table in the lobby no charge, recruit, engage, advise, inform attendees of who the group is, what gets done, how long the organization has been operating and why.

I'd also be you could get the operator to make a deal to let you give new members a ticket for free entry, keeping track of the number you get and pay a reduced fee from the membership dollars. If set up an email system (like I post here) to spread information. We take emails and never sell, rent or share that list. Takes about 3 clicks to get off of it if you're no longer interested in receiving the updates.

I have no doubt there are enough strongly interested folks around here who would staff those tables doing that recruiting.

On Election day when Northam was voted in VCDL had about 7300 (IIRC) members. Recruiting at gun shows (last real one was about April last year) and otherwise we are now in the 40,000 member range. And folks race to sign up to work a gun show. Kinda fun too! It generally gives a booth ID or 3 and free entry.

Every politically astute person knows that when someone talks to a legislator saying I represent Georgia Carry and we want you to do . . .. It means much more when they can very 40K members than when they verify 7300.

NUMBERS COUNT GENTS

You may get tired of reading and imagining me screaming it, but I'm gonna keep doing it. I know that of which I speak. And have the facts to prove it.

Whats going on in the legislature down there there this year?

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Another city takes the blue pill. Note he bold part. Its a really good way to make things happen you want. And trust me, the politics is coming on many relevant things.

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Last night the Roanoke City Council pulled a bait-and-switch. City Council presented a more mild version of a proposed local gun-control ordinance to the public that would have allowed for the Roanoke gun show to continue to operate, but passed a version that the public had not seen nor had a chance to comment on! The version that passed bans guns in government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events or events that should have been permitted.

NOTE: This week's gun show in Roanoke IS STILL GOING TO HAPPEN.

Roanoke is going to try to prohibit future gun shows at the Bergland center using the ordinance, but Showmasters gun shows has a contract good until December. Time to get out the popcorn!

As I warned, we need to dominate these hearings. We usually do, but we were outnumbered 2 to 1 in speakers last night. That's not a winning strategy to protect our rights.

As usual, the other side was reading from a script and most of the gun-control speakers clearly had anger-management problems. One of them had gotten into hot water a few years ago for threatening Senator Bill Stanley!

The only City Council member that stood up against the ordinance and voted against it was Councilwoman Stephanie Moon Reynolds. There was some concern shown by a few council members over potentially being sued. That is a valid concern. ;-)

The ordinance isn't effective until signs are posted.

Here's two articles on the ordinance:

https://www.wdbj7.com/2021/03/16/roanoke-city-council-votes-to-ban-guns-from-buildings-and-parks/

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03/16/roanoke-city-council-bans-firearms-on-all-city-owned-property/
 

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1. VCDL president extensively quoted in article on the Democrat socialism and gun control agenda
2. The March Richmond gun show postponed
3. LTE going after the Winchester City Council for passing local gun-control
4. Article: "Mike Bloomberg Is Not Going to Like What's Happening in Virginia"
5. Article on Roanoke City gun ban


1. VCDL president extensively quoted in article on the Democrat socialism and gun control agenda

https://www.theepochtimes.com/gun-rights-distinctly-american-advocates-warn-of-socialist-agenda_3735165.html

2. The March Richmond gun show postponed

The Showmasters Richmond gun show that was coming up this month has been postpone until April. No firm date has been set. Once it is, you will be advised.

3. LTE going after the Winchester City Council for passing local gun-control

http://winchesterstar.va.newsmemory.com/publink.php?shareid=19a78f783


4. Article: "Mike Bloomberg Is Not Going to Like What's Happening in Virginia"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/12/well-it-looks-like-virginia-dodged-a-bullet-on-gun-control-and-we-can-thankthe-democrats-n2586192

5. Article on Roanoke City gun ban
Article in the Roanoke Times on the CIty's new gun ban. The comments below the article continue to confirm what I have consistently said about gun-grabbers: with few exceptions, they are a hateful, intolerant bunch. They don't like guns because they know they would misuse a gun in one of their fits of rage. They falsely assume that you and I share their flawed, violent personalities.

https://roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke-bans-guns-on-city-property-will-end-gun-shows-at-berglund-center/article_79382980-85ff-11eb-9b60-57dca052f647.html
 

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New Info. Click and see if #6, 8 and 11 catch your attention. Good argument points in each.

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1. VCDL and GOA win victory on bump stocks in 6th Circuit Court of Appeals
2. Update on federal gun news
3. VCDL president interviewed on story about gun control stripping freedom
4. Report from Prince George county on allowing hunting with rifles chambered above .22
5. Father of fallen officer in Colorado mass-murder said son would not want gun-control passed because of his death
6. List of all the gun-control laws that the Colorado mass-murderer broke
7. Harris on gun control via Executive Order: Never mind
8. "Ghost gun" article
9. Responding to demands for gun control
10. U.S. Supreme Court to discuss case that could expand Second Amendment rights
11. Virginia Beach mass murderer's motive was not found; oddities in the report


1. VCDL and GOA win victory on bump stocks in 6th Circuit Court of Appeals

This is just one step in getting the bump-stock ban neutralized. For now, nothing changes as the issue works its way through the rest of the court system.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/03/sixth-circuit-court-rules-bump-stocks-are-not-machine-guns/#axzz6qAiSFVSI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjoi8opiRGQ

2. Update on federal gun news

Federal Gun-Control Bills

The Universal Background Check bill (H.R. 8) and the bill to extend how long the government can take in doing a background check (H.R. 1446) passed out of the House and is stalled in the Senate, along with Dianne Feinstein's "Assault Weapon" ban bill (S. 736), which is awaiting a hearing in committee. The only things standing between us and disaster right now is the filibuster in the Senate.

The filibuster requires 60 votes to pass disputed legislation. The Democrats don't have the 60 votes to pass gun-control. They would need at least 10 republicans to come on board.

Ironically, the filibuster was a creation of the Democrats in the mid-1800s to protect slavery. Now the Democrats want to get rid of it since it's standing between them and their gun-control agenda.

We need to hope that Democrat Senator Joe Manchin from West Virginia and others strong against abolishing the filibuster.

Oh, wait - this just in - certainly the President wouldn't be trying to bribe Manchin by appointing Manchin's wife to an important post? Nah, just a coincidence.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-nominates-joe-manchins-wife-federal-commission


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-awINjXdc

"In this video, we discuss how the Democrats are changing their strategy on gun control. They're going mainstream in the democrat party... Let's discuss... Buzz Feed:"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/gun-control-senate-democrats-plan-atlanta

“Senate Democrats have told BuzzFeed News they are considering curtailing their ambitions on gun reform and pushing a narrower piece of legislation that can actually pass, rather than sweeping reforms that would likely be doomed. The party winning both chambers of Congress plus the White House may have raised hopes for long-sought gun control measures, such as a ban on assault rifles. But Democrats are instead starting to look at smaller measures that can win bipartisan support and break the National Rifle Association’s strong influence over Congress.” “Do you try and move a comprehensive gun bill that will go nowhere?” said Delaware Sen. Chris *****. “Or do you take a small bill, pass it, then a medium-sized bill and pass it?” “I want to see us take real, concrete steps on gun safety. We don’t have to do every single thing at once. We could just take a bite, enough to show that the NRA does not have the entire Congress by the throat,” said Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren. “There are obviously some parts and pieces of this agenda that are easier to frame in passable form than others,” he said. “I think the approach should be comprehensive, that’s the goal. But we may take it piece by piece.” - Connecticut Senator Blumenthal - D “While Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has said he wants to take up the House bills, there is currently no timetable to do so.”

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Biden: We need gun-control legislation now. Manchin: No thanks.

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2021/03/23/biden-need-gun-control-legislation-now-manchin-no-thanks/

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Top Democrat Senator Dashes His Party’s Push For Gun Control By Opposing Recently Passed House Bills
https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-democrat-senator-dashes-his-partys-push-for-gun-control-by-opposing-recently-passed-house-bills

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9th Circuit rules that states have no obligation to allow for open or concealed carry outside the home

The Federal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California, referred to affectionately as the "9th Circus" for a reason, ruled in a case about open carry in Hawaii. The ruling, which by no means was unanimous, was that states could restrict the right to carry, open and/or concealed, outside the home. The problem is that in Chicago vs McDonald the 2nd Amendment was incorporated into the 14th Amendment, making it apply to all the states, including those in the 9th Circuit...

The en banc opinion only applies to states in the 9th Circuit (California, Hawaii, etc.). It's time for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on carrying outside the home and put that issue to rest. The 9th Circuit is almost taunting them to do so.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/9th-circuit-guns-open-carry


3. VCDL president interviewed on story about gun control stripping freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiTcrogwgE&t=528s



4. Report from Prince George county on allowing hunting with rifles chambered above .22

Chadwick Creech, VCDL's Watch Team for Local Government team lead in Prince George County, sent me this report from Tuesday:

"I just got out of the Board of Supervisors meeting. All went fairly well, they had a guest from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries who had a ton of unbiased information and statistics on hunting in Virginia and took questions from the board members. They have invited him back for the approved public hearing meeting, which will be on April 27th, to help with any questions the public may have, which I believe would be a good thing.

"All board members voted yes with the exception of one, who did not vote on the grounds that he thought the proposal was for hunting with a rifle from ground level. Some of his older constituents expressed concern about injury from using a tree stand. He was corrected on the proposal, but clearly it wasn't the answer he wanted. But he didn't say no to it, he just chose not to vote.

"So we are open for public comment on April 27th for sure."


5. Father of fallen officer in Colorado mass-murder said son would not want gun-control passed because of his death

https://www.foxnews.com/us/eric-talley-boulder-colorado-police-officer-gun-rights-advocate


6. List of all the gun-control laws that the Colorado mass-murderer broke

https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2021/03/heres-a-list-of-all-the-gun-control-laws-that-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-broke-in-his-rampage-in-boulder-colorado-leaving-ten-dead/


7. Harris on gun control via Executive Order: Never mind

A case of cold feet?

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2021/03/24/harris-gun-control-via-executive-order-nevermind/



8. "Ghost gun" article

Homemade guns didn't sound scary enough for the gun banners, so they made up the term "Ghost gun." After all, who isn't afraid of ghosts? [eye roll]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/17/biden-now-gunning-for-ghost-guns/



9. Responding to demands for gun control

Virginia gun-rights activist Roger Harris (30 years in law enforcement and security; Vietnam combat infantryman) did a great job in a memo destroying various gun-control talking points. Here are some excepts from the memo, which he sent to various politicians:


* We’re not after your hunting rifles and shotguns. There was an assault weapons ban between 1994 and 2004. It was ineffective in preventing the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School when two students used two shotguns and 9mm carbines to kill 13 and wound 21. A bolt action hunting rifle with a 3-round magazine was used by Charles Whitman in 1966 to kill 17 and wound 31 from the University of Texas tower.

* We could ban the production of ammunition for assault weapons. Prohibition didn’t work, any kid can get illegal drugs, we can’t take guns from gangsters, and we would just create a black market for ammunition produced in other countries or self-loads.

* Firearms that use over a 10 round magazine should be banned. This would include almost all semi-automatic handguns and rifles. After all, the Virginia Tech shooter in 2007 used two handguns, not a rifle, to kill 32 and wound another 17. Any weapon that can use a 10 round magazine could use a longer magazine of 30 rounds. Furthermore, magazines can be changed within a few seconds with very little practice.


* We should have “Red Flag” laws allowing the police and family members to petition judges to temporarily remove firearms from people deemed dangerous. Mass shooters don’t always use their own weapons. Are the police going to take the weapons that belong to other people in the home—denying them their Second Amendment Rights?

* We shouldn’t allow anyone under the age of 21 to purchase a firearm. The shooter at Sandy Hook Elementary School used two handguns and an AR-15 belonging to his mother to kill 28.

* If the founding fathers had known assault weapons would be invented they wouldn’t have passed the Second Amendment. They certainly wouldn’t have restricted citizens to revolvers while criminals, Indians, and the British were carrying AR-15’s, AK-47’s, and semi-automatic handguns.

* These mass shootings don’t occur in other industrialized countries. That’s baloney fed to the uninformed. The record for the largest mass killing by an individual occurred in Norway in 2011. With a bomb the man killed 8 and wounded 209. He then, with a rifle, killed 69 and wounded 110.

Terrorists in Europe haven’t had any problem getting fully-automatic weapons to kill unarmed civilians. If you go to Paris, the government has found it necessary to have the police and military armed with fully-automatic weapons to patrol the streets in squads. Take 2015 in Paris, for instance: That January terrorists killed 17 and wounded 22 in one event. Then in November, in Paris, they killed 130 and wounded 413 in a series of attacks in one evening.

* A revolver or double-barrel shotgun should be enough for self-defense. Glad you finally realize that the Second Amendment isn’t about hunting. Why do you think it is that you never see a police officer carrying a revolver any more? And why do most have AR-15’s in their car in addition to their semi-automatic handguns? It’s because in the early 1990’s law enforcement realized that they were often outgunned by the criminals. I’m one of the very few police officers who actually had to reload a revolver while being shot at. I practiced more than most but found revolvers unsuitable for self-defense. The turning point was the “FBI Miami Shootout" on April 11, 1986.

You can be outgunned even if you have an AR-15. I had a fully automatic M-16 rifle when I was praying for God’s protection in Vietnam. My company of 134 experienced 80% casualties within 12 hours, and I know it would have been much worse if we only had six-shot revolvers. (see “Battle of Xa Cam My, April 11, 1966”).

* Only the police should have semi-automatic weapons, and citizens should rely on the police for protection. When I became a police officer in 1973 I thought it would be great if only the police were armed. My experience, however, has been that more than 90% of the time the victims are already dead before the police arrive.


10. U.S. Supreme Court to discuss case that could expand Second Amendment rights

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/politics/scotus-second-amendment-new-york-boulder-colorado/index.html


11. Virginia Beach mass murderer's motive was not found; oddities in the report

VCDL EM Hal Macklin noted this:

"NO gun control could have prevented this; only armed employees could have saved themselves."

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Except for two minor traffic offenses, the suspect had no criminal history. The only known interactions the suspect had with Virginia Beach Police, excluding his two traffic infractions, was reporting a burglary of his home in 2006, and when he was the victim of a larceny from his vehicle in 2013. Since 2006, he passed 11 firearms-related background checks and last renewed his Concealed Handgun Permit in 2016. His home did not display any artifacts or symbols of alignment with any radical ideologies, he did not attend church and did not utilize any social media. He had a gaming computer at his home that was unremarkable. He briefly participated in a work volleyball group but withdrew from that years prior to May 31, 2019.

The suspect was consistently described as a quiet, introverted, and a polite young man. The investigation did not uncover any indications of violent tendencies or acts of violence committed by the suspect prior to May 31, 2019. He left no note.
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VCDL Board member Patricia Webb noted this on the report and article:

"Since 2006 the murderer passed 11 firearms-related background checks...and they know this how? I thought those records were destroyed after 30 days (90 days for NICS), so unless there were multi-sale reports, where would this information be stored? I mean, if they found guns at his house that they could trace to the dealer, okay, but then the report would (should) say that he passed at least 11 background checks related to firearms. Apparently he had at least one NFA item.

"I also find it odd that they don't state the types of firearms, even today. Any other time they would have blurted that information to the world. So I'm wondering the capacity of these handguns. Many .45's don't hold more than 10 rounds due to the size of the cartridge. That doesn't fit the narrative for capacity limitations."

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Article:

https://www.pilotonline.com/government/local/vp-nw-vb-mass-shooting-0325-20210324-dokdbgmygrdxxkwym56ulcapja-story.html

Police report:

https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/communications-office/Documents/20210324-PDFinalReport.pdf
 

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I hope you noted the shooting in Va Bch a week or so ago. Of course govt has do to something.

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  1. Action Item: Virginia Beach City Council may be looking at gun-control after shooting
  2. Help Needed: Fishersville gun show on April 10-11
  3. New CHP applicants may have to provide proof of in person training
  4. Free Beacon: "Second Amendment Activists Prevail in Federal Court." VCDL president quoted
  5. Gun control is losing steam in Congress and in the White House
  6. Bloomberg Op-Ed: Gun Control Push Will Cost Democrats at the Polls
  7. Report: Frustrated Gun Controllers Dig in for 'Long Game'
  8. ATF Weighs Changing Definition of 'Firearm' to Target Ghost Guns

1. Action Item: Virginia Beach City Council may be looking at gun-control after shooting

Last week two gangs got into an argument and decided to settle the matter with a shootout. Two people were killed (Donovan Lynch was shot by a police officer and Deshayla Harris was the victim of a stray bullet) and nine were wounded. A police officer was within spitting distance when the shooting began!

The body camera of the officer that shot and killed Lynch was not turned on at the time, so there is little information as to what happened in that shooting exactly. The very odd twist is that not only was Lynch a CHP holder, but nothing in his background seemed to indicate that he was part of a gang or involved in criminal activity. There were also questions about whether Lynch was even armed. Police said a gun was "found in the vicinity."

On Tuesday, there was an emergency meeting of the Virginia Beach City Council. No public input was taken. The meeting, which I watched, ran for 2 hours. Up until the very end the focus was on dealing with criminal activity, finding out why the officer did not deploy his body camera, and getting more funding for the police. But City Councilman Guy King Tower couldn't help himself and had to drag guns into his comments.

There is going to be an open microphone at the Tuesday, April 6, City Council meeting at 6 pm. It would be a good idea for residents to comment against consideration of any gun control.

I also suggest an email be sent to City Council in opposition to any consideration of gun control. Click here to send an email to all council members.

Sample message:

City Council should not consider any gun control, especially based on two gangs getting into a shootout. Gun control will not affect criminals, but it most certainly will affect my ability to protect myself. Don't punish or restrict me for the actions of violent gangs and other criminals.
Sincerely,


2. Help Needed : Fishersville gun show on April 10-11

HELP WANTED!!
VCDL member-volunteers are needed for the gun show in Fishersville April 10-11, 2021.
Help is need on all shifts:
Saturday morning 9am-1pm
Saturday afternoon 1pm-5pm

Sunday Morning 10am-1pm
Sunday Afternoon 1pm-5pm

Here's your chance to join the fight! First-time volunteer are most welcome.

Admission and parking is free. Many vendors offer VCDL volunteers discounts.

Donate a few hours of your time to support Virginia's Premier Grassroots Second Amendment Advocacy Organization.

Contact Jim Kizer [email protected]


3. New CHP applicants may have to provide proof of in person training

As of January 1, 2021, online training to get a CHP is no longer allowed. Consequently, some localities are requiring new CHP applicants to also have certification that the course they took was done in person.

I suggest instructors be proactive by having a pre-printed document stating the course was performed in person and provide a signed copy to your students for their use in getting their Virginia CHP.

If you are renewing an existing permit, none of this applies to you.


4. Free Beacon: "Second Amendment Activists Prevail in Federal Court." VCDL president quoted

Second Amendment Activists Prevail in Federal Court - Washington Free Beacon


5. Gun control is losing steam in Congress and in the White House

These articles serve as a reminder that voting is critical. If your vote doesn't matter, Congress would be cramming every bit of gun control down our throats with reckless abandon. They aren't because elections do matter. Vote in all elections where you are allowed to vote - no excuses!

The Democrats’ background check bill is already tanking
The Democrats' background check bill is already tanking

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Column: Kamala Harris was adamant about gun control on the campaign trail. The reality tells another story
Column: Kamala Harris was adamant about gun control on the campaign trail. The reality tells another story - News Break


6. Bloomberg Op-Ed: Gun Control Push Will Cost Democrats at the Polls

And we need to make sure the gun-controllers pay for their treachery at the polls. Major election in Virginia this November 2. We will vote in a new House of Delegates, a Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General.

Bloomberg Op-Ed: Gun Control Push Will Cost Democrats at the Polls


7. Report: Frustrated Gun Controllers Dig in for 'Long Game'

Things aren't working out the way the gun-grabbers had planned. I repeat: elections matter. This is proof positive:

Report: Frustrated Gun Controllers Dig in for 'Long Game'


8. ATF Weighs Changing Definition of 'Firearm' to Target Ghost Guns

To confiscate guns, the government needs to know who is a gun owner and what guns they have in their collection. Hence, the push for Universal Background Checks. But homemade guns are not required to be serialized nor is a background check required to make one. So the gun-grabbers want to snap away that freedom as well.

ATF Weighs Changing Definition of 'Firearm' to Target Ghost Guns
 

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1. Action item: American Bar Association urges Senate to restrict gun rights
2. Sponsors needed: the VCDL/Roanoke Rifle and Revolver Club match in coming in June!
3. Letter the editor: this is how it’s done! Let’s respond to two negative letters
4. Governor made changes to domestic violence bill
5. Caution about marijuana
6. The Hill article on racist origin of gun-control laws
7. Senator Ted Cruz calls out gun-grabbing Democrats
8. Ignorance abounds in Congress. House Dems: let’s ban “concealable assault weapons”
9. Cartoon spoofs absurd BATFE gun rulings

1. Action item: American Bar Association urges Senate to restrict gun rights

The American Bar Association (ABA) has a vested interest in seeing people charged with crimes, don’t they?

American Bar Association Tells Senate To Violate 2A Rights


Let’s send Holly Cook, with the ABA, some polite, but firm, emails on the ABA lobbying against gun owners: [email protected]


2. Sponsors needed: the VCDL/Roanoke Rifle and Revolver Club match in coming in June!

The VCDL--Roanoke Rifle & Revolver Pistol Shoot will be held on June 12, 2021. Place this on your calendar – you don’t want to miss this fun event!

We need sponsor for door prizes, which are given to the competitors. If you can donate some items for the shoot, contact Al Steed Jr at: [email protected]

More details on the match will be coming shortly.



3. Letter the editor: this is how it’s done! Let’s respond to two negative letters

Letters to the Editor (LTE) are a powerful tool to counter media bias, lies, lazy reporting, and deception. They can also counter gun-grabber’s baloney in their Letters to the Editor.

Hats off to Gerald Crowell from Winchester for calling out lazy reporting and media:

Expects better reporting on guns - Winchester Star

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Here are two gun-control LTEs that need a response from gun owners:

The first, by Ray Hicks (at bottom), offers lots of red meat. Like saying that “so far the pro-gun approach of not giving an inch has worked.” What is he talking about? We have all kinds of gun control –background checks, restrictions on where we can carry, restrictions on carrying concealed, one-handgun-a-month, and so on. He also ignores the key part of the 2A “the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and tries to make it solely about the militia. Finally, he wants to cherry pick what nations the U.S. is compared to regarding gun-associated deaths.

YOUR VIEWS Invitation to celebrate National Library Week - Winchester Star

The second one, by Andrew White, makes the right to keep and bear arms about hunting: “Multi-chamber handguns and assault weapons are not needed to bring down a deer. If you can’t bring down a deer with one shot, you don’t deserve to bring it down at all.” Hunting was never mentioned by our Founding Fathers as a reason to protect gun rights. Protecting yourself, protecting your community during an emergency such as Katrina, or stopping a government turned tyrannical needs a lot more than one shot guns.

NRA on wrong side of history - Winchester Star


4. Governor made changes to domestic violence bill

HB 1992, which takes away and restores gun rights for misdemeanor domestic violence, passed out of the General Assembly and was just modified by Northam. The modification makes the bill closer to federal law, which we believe will help with making sure the restoration will work under federal law.

We won’t know for sure if it is sufficient until someone is convicted and then have their rights restored under it.

Unfortunately, the Northam also changed the number of years a person must wait before getting their rights restored from three years to five years.


5. Caution about marijuana

Northam wants to accelerate the legalization of marijuana:

Virginia governor seeks to accelerate marijuana legalization

Keep in mind that a person who uses marijuana, even if legal in his state, is a prohibited person when it comes to firearms under federal law.


6. The Hill article on racist origin of gun-control laws

Gun control is racist. The purpose of gun control isn’t to save lives, but to control lives, especially minorities or others not in political favor:

The racist origin of gun control laws


7. Senator Ted Cruz calls out gun-grabbing Democrats

In this video, Ted Cruz calls out the lying, hypocritical gun-grabbers in Congress and does so to their face (or faces, since so many gun-controllers have two):



8. Ignorance abounds in Congress. House Dems: let’s ban “concealable assault weapons”

So, which is it, gun-grabbers – you can’t have it both ways: “nobody wants to take your guns” or “we want to take some of your guns”?

House Dems: We Need to Ban 'Concealable Assault Weapons'


9. Cartoon spoofs absurd BATFE gun rulings

For something to be funny, it generally has a basis in truth. The BATFE takes it in the shorts in this cartoon for their sometimes ridiculous and contradictory rulings on firearms. Should we laugh or cry? I’d rather laugh, but crying is understandable. Be sure to zoom in on some of the slides:

WATCH: Cartoon Video Spoofs ATF and Its Absurd Gun Rulings


 

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1. ACTION ITEM: Herndon Town Council to discuss possible local gun-control TONIGHT
2. Successful appeal of an involuntary commitment doesn’t restore gun rights
3. Does a center console count as a container for purposes of concealed carry law?
4. Four reasons gun-control can’t stop America’s violence problem
5. 128 times more people are killed by falling than by rifles
6. Biden stimulus checks spark historic surge in gun sales, especially AR-15s
7. Gun-control humor


1. ACTION ITEM: Herndon Town Council to discuss possible local gun-control TONIGHT

Herndon Town Council is going to be discussing a possible local gun-control ordinance tonight, April 6, at a work session.They are only discussing the option and will not be taking any citizen input.

Council has asked the Town Attorney last November to “to bring forward a proposal that was neither an absolute ban nor a ‘free-for-all.’"

So, what did the Town Attorney come up with? An absolute ban on carry (except for the government, of course), everywhere a ban could be legally done (buildings, parks, community and recreation centers, permitted and should-have-been permitted events).There is no exemption for CHP holders.

If you live in Herndon, or know people who do, Town Council needs to hear back from residents in opposition to all local gun-control.Phone calls and emails would be in order. Click here for contact information.

If Council decides to move forward, then a future meeting will allow public comment on the matter.

Article in The Patch on tonight’s work session:

Gun Ban On Town Property To Be Reviewed By Herndon Council


2. Successful appeal of an involuntary commitment doesn’t restore gun rights

Article by VCDL Attorney and Board member John Pierce:

In Virginia a successful appeal of an involuntary commitment does not restore gun rights - The Law Office of John Pierce, Esq.

3. Does a center console count as a container for purposes of concealed carry law?

Another article by John Pierce:

Does a center console count as a 'secured container' for purposes of the Virginia concealed carry law? - The Law Office of John Pierce, Esq.

4. Four reasons gun-control can’t stop America’s violence problem

I would disagree with this article in one way:suicide is NOT violence to me.Violence is something you inflict on others, not yourself.But the article’s points stand nonetheless.

4 Reasons Gun Control Can’t Solve America’s Violence Problem | Mark Houser

5. 128 times more people are killed by falling than by rifles

All the handwringing about needing to ban semi-automatic rifles is just so much happy baloney.It always has been.Long guns are rarely ever used in crime because they are too big to conceal.Long guns include over/under, side-by-side, slide-action, lever-action, single-shot, and semi-automatic shotguns and bolt-action, lever-action rifles, slide-action, and semi-automatic rifles.There are around 300 murders per year in the entire U.S. committed with long guns.Semi-automatic rifles are a subset of that already small number.

Banning ladders, hands/feet, and blunt objects would save far more lives than a ban on semi-automatic rifles.But it’s not about saving lives, is it?

Feds' 2018 Data: 126x More People Killed by Falling than with Rifles

6. Biden stimulus checks spark historic surge in gun sales, especially AR-15s

Gun owners stimulating the economy!I guarantee ammo is being snapped up with that money, too.

We are the victims of a clever two-part plan by Biden to achieve his goal of reducing gun ownership:

1) tell Americans you are going to take away their semi-automatic rifles and implement other types of strict gun control and

2) give Americans extra cash to spend on whatever they want!

What could possibly go wrong with that plan?

"Biden stimulus checks spark historic surge in gun sales, especially AR-15s" - GAT Daily (Guns Ammo Tactical)

7. Gun-control humor

It’s always the element of truth that makes these things funny:

Gun Control Humor - Self-Reliance Central
 
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