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11. Article on background checks, VCDL quoted
No mention in the article that 18-20 year olds are exempt from having to do a background check for handguns, thanks to a VCDL/GOA lawsuit last year.

https://www.pilotonline.com/governm...0201227-2ysk36kekvbp5afm3lzr7uwcom-story.html

12. Poem about those who are not involved, but want to redo our whole organization anyway
Bruce Jackson has a history of writing poetry. Out of frustration with those gun owners who are not actively involved in the fight to protect our gun rights, but somehow think they are qualified to demand that VCDL do as they say, Bruce wrote this:

No, But Thank You
You do not know me, because involved I am not,
but do as I say because now, I am hot!
I never have voted or made myself heard,
but you must go to war,
because of my word.
My feelings are hurt and I just might cry,
If you don't go to war and remember to die!
You must act on my word or it will be a reproach.
because I've seen you in action and I know I must coach.
My skills are the greatest and I am the best.
I'll invoke my opinion,
and let you do the rest.
Don't worry my Brother I will be there this time,
to keep you from making mistakes,
and committing high crimes!
On the sidelines I'll stand and I'll call in each play!
So you lead the charge because I know the way!
You must die for my cause because of what I now say!

I think not my friend.
No, not today.
I think you should leave, and be well, on your way.
Do you think I have poor logic?
Do you think me insane?
I shall not listen to one,
with no skin in the game!
So go out and work and earn all those stripes,
through the beating and bruising and trials of life.
Don't be the cliché of a General's wife!
Then come back and see us through the political gore.
Standing shoulder to shoulder so we can push more!
Until freedom reigns between all of our shores!
Now to work I must go as I have much to do.
I have to defend us from enemies,
and good friends like you!

13. Reminder to keep control of your firearms
The article refers to this gun-storage law as a "new law", but it is not new, just the penalty has been increased. Fortunately, the eight-year-old child only shot himself in the hand.

Do not count on placing the gun in a high place "out of reach" as being sufficient to keep children from getting their hands on it.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/22/man-convicted-under-new-law-against-leaving-guns-n/

14. Gifting firearms under the Universal Background Check law
Article by John Pierce, VCLD Board member and firearms attorney:

https://johnpierceesq.com/may-i-sti...virginias-new-universal-background-check-law/

15. How Will Northam Respond To Record Gun Sales In Virginia?
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/12/20/northam-respond-record-gun-sales/

16. Dan Wos reviewing Lobby Day 2020

17. [TX] Reminder about holding criminals at gun-point: pastor killed with own gun
Avoid holding a violent criminal at gun point. If you absolutely must do so, keep your distance! The gun allows you to be many yards away and still be protected. If you are too close, the criminal can get into a wresting match with you over your gun, as a Texas pastor found out the hard way. Also, be prepared for the criminal to NOT follow your orders, even with a gun pointed at him. The police are all too aware of that phenomenon!

https://www.westernjournal.com/pastor-killed-gun-others-injured-horrific-east-texas-church-shooting/

18. [GA] Grandmother shoots home invader
The great equalizer protects a 79-year-old grandmother:


19. [IL] Chicago armed robber stopped by CHP holder
Illinois has been "shall issue" for many years now and CHP holders have stopped a variety of violent crimes, including at least one attempted mass shooting. In this case, a criminal tried to rob a store and it was the last thing he did.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-...h-concealed-carry-permit-kills-suspect-report

20. [FL] Carjacker makes mistake of picking an 80-year-old with a CHP
Armed victims, even in their 80s, are a bad choice for criminals:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/carjackers-armed-80-year-old-man

21. Lessons learned from business invasion by EIGHT armed individuals
John Correia dissects this video of a heavily-armed invasion of a Houston, Texas business. In such a situation, including terrorists taking over the building you are in, you must act quickly and decisively. Waiting for some better opportunity to present itself will only give the invaders more time to organize and consolidate their attack.

In this case, shooting the first bad guy coming in through the broken glass-door, or the first bad guy coming through the door going into the kitchen, (both "kill zones" due to the situational disadvantage they give the person entering a room) would probably encourage the rest of the bad guys to get out of Dodge fast.

 

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Could you tell us more about the GOA/VCDL lawsuit last year that resulted in 18-20 year olds not having to submit to "background checks for handguns?"

(Item 11)
 

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Short of it, law passed requiring check on all sales, including from private seller to private buyer. Age 18 to the day before 21 can buy a handgun (private sale) from non FFL but not from an FFL. FFL cannot facilitate NICS check on handgun sale to under 21, per the feds. So that requirement effectively prohibited private sales of handgun to under 21. Litigation ensued, decision said requirement does not apply to that age group.

Nemo

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/07/go...er-universal-background-checks/#axzz6io5U7x8E
 

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Got some good stuff going on up here. Worth opening and clicking a message of support to our dem legislature. VCDL is working on this also. Might want to get a bit better organized down there too!

Nemo

https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...nd-hunting-opportunities-being-heard-tomorrow

Virginia: Bill to Expand Hunting Opportunities Being Heard Tomorrow
Tuesday, January 12, 2021

Tomorrow, the House Agriculture, Chesapeake & Natural Resources Committee is hearing House Bill 1799 to allow Sunday hunting on public lands. Please click the "Take Action" button below to contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT HB 1799.

You may also click here to sign up to submit written testimony or testify remotely by teleconference in support of HB 1799.



One of the biggest challenges that hunters face today is access to land. Our modern lifestyles of work and school essentially mean that most working adults and their children can only hunt on the weekends. Hunters and gun owners fund conservation efforts and maintenance of state public hunting land through hunting license fees and Pittman-Robertson excise taxes on firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment. Despite this, Sunday hunting is still not permitted on public lands in Virginia, leaving Saturday the only day for most hunters to be able to get out into the field.

House Bill 1799 expands hunting opportunities in Virginia by allowing Sunday hunting on public lands. This ensures that hunters have the time to continue hunting or to introduce new hunters and also ensures that public land may be enjoyed by those who fund it.

Again, please contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT HB 1799.
 

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And if you are interested in how VCDL Political Action Committee does what it does.

Nemo

Dear Nemo,

Are you curious about what the VCDL-PAC is and what it does? Do you ask yourself how is the VCDL-PAC different from VCDL? If you want answers to these questions and more, join us tonight for a short live session. You can join in on Facebook or YouTube. You don't need to have a Facebook account to view, but you won't be able to comment or ask questions without being a member.

Here are the links. Feel free to share it with others!

Facebook.com/VCDLpage

Tiny.cc/VCDLyoutube
 

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Has anybody noticed that when Biden tries to say administration menstruation? It cracks me us.
 

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Richmond Lobby Day closed-- but not to those who plan in advance.

Nemo

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/virginias-capitol-square-to-close-on-annual-lobbying-day

Virginia's Capitol Square to close on annual lobbying day

Photo by: WTVR (poster note-- sorry, no gold dome)
By: The Associated Press
Posted at 8:25 AM, Jan 13, 2021
and last updated 8:25 AM, Jan 13, 2021

RICHMOND, Va. -- Amid reports of possible armed protests at state capitals across the country, Virginia officials plan to close Capitol Square in Richmond to the public Monday, an annual day for constituents to lobby lawmakers.

Dena Potter, a spokeswoman for the Department of General Services, confirmed the closure and said her department had also denied permits to four advocacy groups that had been seeking to hold small gatherings on the square Monday.
(poster note-- Those Were The Anti-Gun Groups-- VCDL plans require no permits)

"We informed them that efforts to prepare for the reported civil unrest means resources wouldn't be available to accommodate their events," she said.

. . .

Monday, the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, is typically a chance for citizens to use a day off work to meet with their legislators in what's informally known as lobby day.
. . .

Gun-rights activists typically make a large, organized appearance each year. Last year's lobby day attracted tens of thousands of gun-rights activists from across the country who packed Capitol Square to protest plans by the state's Democratic leadership to pass gun-control legislation.

Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said the Capitol Square closure won't affect his group's plans to make their voice heard with four "major" caravans of vehicles decked out in pro-gun messages that will drive through the capital city.

Van Cleave said he expects participants to number in the thousands and said there are no centralized plans to decamp anywhere for speeches or any kind of in-person event.

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"Through advance planning and multi-agency cooperation, the Unified Command is prepared and has the resources to protect those who live, work and visit Richmond during the 2021 legislative session," the entity's joint information center said in a statement Tuesday.
 

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More on above. No permitted events, no Gun Buster sign validity.

Nemo
CBS 6 news said, "Permits for the annual 'Lobby Day' on the Capitol grounds, set for Monday, have been canceled because of the potential for civil unrest."

That is totally misleading.

VCDL's Lobby Day IS happening on Monday. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

What CBS was referring to was that the gun-control groups who were going to hold a rally at the Bell Tower have had their permits canceled. As you know, VCDL did not get a permit for the Bell Tower this year and we are having a rolling caravan instead.

And because those rallies are canceled, any of the "no guns" signs on the streets around the Capitol are now not applicable!

Here's the story: https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-new...civil-unrest-richmond-is-going-to-be-prepared

NOTE: We are still having technical difficulties with the alert on Lobby Day that was supposed to go our yesterday. We will try to get it out on Thursday. But. everything for Lobby Day is on track!
 

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Update.

Nemo

Lobby Day 2021 is on MONDAY, January 18!

1. Links for tracking the buses on Monday and information on merging with caravans
2. Information hearing and watching VCDL's Lobby Day 2021 speakers on Monday
3. How to get breaking information and updates during Lobby Day
4. Important notes for those who might decide to be on foot on Lobby Day
5. Radio frequencies for connecting with Lobby Day main-caravans and sub-caravans
6. Restaurants open in Richmond on Lobby Day
7. Lawyer talks about Richmond "event" gun ban [video]
8. Credit where credit is due: VA Homeland Security Secretary Moran acknowledges VCDL's peaceful 2020 Lobby Day during interview
9. Coverage of Mailchimp's treachery in dropping VCDL from is mail server right before Lobby Day
10. Articles on Lobby Day
11. Keep an eye out for ambulances in Richmond on Lobby Day
12. Note for those leaving from Hampton

1. Links for tracking the buses on Monday and information on merging with caravans

You can track the four main-caravan buses as they head toward Richmond by clicking here: http://vcdl-bus.org

There is a dropdown menu that will allow you track an individual bus's route. You can also use these direct links to the four buses:

Fairfax Bus 1:
http://vcdl-bus.org/Fairfax

Hampton Bus 2:
http://vcdl-bus.org/Hampton

Emporia Bus 3:
http://vcdl-bus.org/Emporia

Staunton Bus 4:
http://vcdl-bus.org/Staunton

NOTE: The links will not be functioning until Monday morning.

The tracking will help those in sub-caravans, as well as individual vehicles, to time merging with a passing main-caravan. For merging with sub-caravans, see item #5. "Radio frequencies for connecting with Lobby Day main-caravans and sub-caravans".

If a sub-caravan is more than 10 minutes late passing your location and you can't communicate with the caravan (see item #5), then start your drive to Richmond following the routes VCDL has provided. You should be able to track the main caravan using the URLs provided above. If you don't have a smart phone or iPad, etc., then head for Richmond if the main-caravan is more than 20 minutes late.

NOTE on VCDL flags, etc: starting points and many waypoints will have a person distributing flags, signs, magnets, and stickers, but not all of them. If you haven't got any of the VCDL items yet, then put your own pro-gun decorations on your vehicles just in case there are no VCDL items available at your waypoint. If you have two flags on your vehicle and someone doesn't have any decoration, you might consider offering them one of your flags.

Here is the link, once again, to the starting point and waypoint locations, the approximate times the caravans will be at those locations, and the routes the caravans will follow: https://vcdl.org/LD2021Routes/

2. Information hearing and watching VCDL's Lobby Day 2021 speakers on Monday

The invited speakers can be heard starting Monday morning on your way to Lobby Day on the VCDL Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfjb__SDLZWOnZd4zlLX-xg/playlists

Once the playlist is ready, it will appear automatically.

For those that can only listen and not watch (such as a person driving alone), here where the podcast will be published Monday morning: http://vcdl.podbean.com

Here is a list of the incredible speakers we have this year:

Delegate Nick Frietas
Liberty Doll
Cam Edwards (will be attending Lobby Day)
Dan Wos
Erich Pratt (GOA - will be attending Lobby Day)
Suzanna Hupp
Jared from Guns and Gadgets (will be attending Lobby Day)
Jill McDaniel from the DC Project
Karen Greenhalgh
Bobby Dyer (Virginia Beach Mayor)
Senator Bill DeSteph
KotaBoy32 Tactical
Lance Allen
Scott Lee (Richmond radio personality)
Rev. Kenn Blanchard (author of "Black man with a gun")
(Richmond radio personality Jeff Katz's speech wasn't received in time due to technical difficulties)

3. How to get breaking information and updates during Lobby Day

You can get breaking information on your smart phone while you are in your vehicles by subscribing to VCDL on Twitter (https://twitter.com/VCDL_ORG), Mewe (https://mewe.com/p/virginiacitizensdefenseleague-mewepage), or Instragram (https://www.instagram.com/vcdl_official/).

4. Important notes for those who might decide to be on foot on Lobby Day

As you probably are aware, there are "No guns" signs on certain parts of Richmond streets with tiny print indicating that the signs don't apply unless there is a permitted event happening nearby or there is an event that should have been permitted happening nearby.

We don't know of any events that will be happening in Richmond on Monday, but if enough people accumulate in an area with such signs, it could be construed as an "event" and then the signs will be applicable.

THAT SAID, if there is an "event" going on near a posted area, the Richmond police will advise you to leave that area and to move to another location. Don't argue, simply comply and move. That should be the end of it. Most of Richmond is sign-free.

So if you walk into an area with signs and are visibly armed, you may or may not be asked to leave. [sigh] If "unconstitutional laws" was in the dictionary, Richmond's gun-ban at events would be the perfect example.
 

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continued from above.

Nemo

5. Radio frequencies for connecting with Lobby Day main-caravans and sub-caravans

Anyone wishing to contact the VCDL Lobby Day Caravans to wish them well on their trip, or to coordinated joining in, may contact them via FRS CH3/3 (462.6125 MHz /PL Tone 74.4 Hz).

Licensed amateur operators (Hams) may utilize 147.555 MHZ with no PL Tone or 445.9625 PL Tone of 167.9 for both transmit and receive. You may also track the location of the main and sub caravans on the APRS.fi website by looking for stations with the comment "VCDL CARAVAN TO LOBBY DAY!" Please understand that not every caravan will be capable of communicating on every listed frequency.

Trap Canterbury

KB8ABJ

6. Restaurants open in Richmond on Lobby Day

Here is a list of restaurants that we had confirmed would be open on Monday (checked as of January 10). Be sure to thank any restaurants you go to for being open and tip them well. Gun-controllers, true to form, have called the restaurants on that list and, lying through their teeth, said that people attending Lobby Day are all racists and they shouldn't serve us:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aCawr7VSZsl1m4sbTLH8FFq0xX3Xo9qzP-0IH82z9uQ/edit?usp=sharing

7. Lawyer talks about Richmond "event" gun ban [video]

Firearm attorney Gilbert Ambler talks about driving armed in a vehicle or walking around on Monday. There is way less than a snowball's chance in hell of anyone in a vehicle being bothered by Richmond Police when just driving in a caravan and obeying traffic laws. The Supreme Court has ruled that having signs or stickers about guns on your vehicle does NOT give police probable cause to pull you over to check for guns. In the one in a trillion chance that it does happen to you, Gilbert discusses what to do (and VCDL would likely file suit):

https://youtu.be/MAJyJ_ROG-w

8. Credit where credit is due: VA Homeland Security Secretary Moran acknowledges VCDL's peaceful 2020 Lobby Day during interview

As long as Brian Moran, Homeland Security Secretary, and I stay away from politics, we get along just fine. My experience with him is that he is very personable. We ran into each other last year pre-COVID at a movie theater and had a pleasant conversation. In a recent radio interview on WRVA, Secretary Moran appropriately credited VCDL with the very peaceful Lobby Day we had last year. VCDL is discussed starting at the 6:00 minute mark:

https://newsradiowrva.radio.com/media/audio-channel/sec-brian-moran-january-15-2021

9. Coverage of Mailchimp's treachery in dropping VCDL from is mail server right before Lobby Day

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/01/behind-the-silicon-wall-big-tech-targets-parler-ar15-com-trump-vcdls-lobby-day/

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/mailchimp-boots-gun-rights-group/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/mailchimp-vcdl-second-amendment

https://www.rappnews.com/news/politics/president-of-prominent-virginia-gun-lobby-suspended-from-facebook/article_a7b9ef74-577d-11eb-84c9-b39150f6c206.html

10. Articles on Lobby Day

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/01/12/virginia-gun-group-pressing-on-with-jan-18-event-despite-violence-in-d-c/

https://apnews.com/article/lobbying-virginia-coronavirus-pandemic-richmond-gun-politics-d78b31526b6df929133675daf354749a

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2021/01/12/vcdl-lobby-day-rally-continue/

11. Keep an eye out for ambulances in Richmond on Lobby Day
The Virginia Commonwealth University police chief asked me to remind everyone in the caravans that the Medical College of Virginia (MVC) is an active hospital on Broad Street that frequently has emergency vehicles arriving there. Please keep an eye out for ambulances and move out of their way as soon as possible.

12. Note for those leaving from Hampton

Member Scott W. sent me this email:

I recon'd the Hampton starting location. That parking lot is ideal. It's better to come in on Convention Center Blvd which is off Armistead Ave. Some of the entrances to the Convention Center & Coliseum parking lots are usually gated off. Convention Center Blvd is not. Those not familiar with Hampton mostly assume you can just get into the Coliseum parking lot easily from Mercury Blvd / Coliseum Drive. But that's not always the case.
 

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Its coming for you down there gents. Note #8. Start some organizing and recruiting. Get a table at every gun show going one.

Trying to give you all fair warning.

Some (J.D.s in particular) may be interested in #10.

#11 is encouraging.

Nemo



1. Action item: Fairfax City hearing on local gun-control on February 9
2. Action item: Winchester planning local gun-control. Hearing on February 9
3. Gun-bill status in the General Assembly
4. Blacksburg predictably passes maximum local gun-control
5. Where VCDL is located on social media
6. New Congresswoman stands up to unconstitutional gun laws in DC and the Capitol
7. Gun control was meant to control minorities and it does
8. Terry McAuliffe wants to run for Virginia Governor again and wants a ban on semi-automatic rifles if he wins
9. Article on Lobby Day
10. Virginia Supreme Court to rule on a concealed handgun in backpack in car at feet of passenger
11. Support for gun control is at lowest level since 2016
12. [CA] Restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written on
13. Why we carry
14. VCDL member reminded just how fast crime can head your way
15. Red Flag laws are pointless

1. Action item: Fairfax City hearing on local gun-control on February 9Fairfax City is getting public input and voting on their proposed local gun-control ordinance. The meeting is virtual on Tuesday, February 9 , at 7 pm. As written, it has the maximum restrictions: prohibits guns in local government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events or at events that should have been permitted. No exceptions for CHP holders. However, when discussing this ordinance late last year, there seemed to be a possibility that parks could be exempted and a slim possibility some kind of concession for permit holders. Their plan was to introduce the most restrictive version and possibly modify it during the meeting on February 9.

Information on attending the virtual meeting and commenting on it is here: https://www.fairfaxva.gov/services/about-us/city-meetings

The proposed ordinance can be seen here: https://fairfax.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=11&clip_id=2608&meta_id=86339

2. Action item: Winchester planning local gun-control. Hearing on February 9Winchester City Council is pushing local gun-control, using the events of January 6 in DC as an excuse. They plan on getting public input (and voting?) on the proposed ordinance on Tuesday, February 9, at 6 pm in a virtual meeting. Winchester wants to do what seven other tyrannical localities have done: prohibit guns in local government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events or at events that should have been permitted. No exceptions for CHP holders, either, which at least Newport News had the decency to do.
Information on how to attend the meeting virtually and/or send in comments are here: https://www.winchesterva.gov/city-event/city-council-regular-meeting-and-work-session-20

News story: https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/city-council-to-consider-firearm-prohibition/article_eb5e9e57-550a-535b-8d4f-d45b157559a4.html

We do not yet have a link to the actual proposed ordinance.

3. Gun-bill status in the General Assembly
HB2081, which bans guns within 40 feet of a polling place, cleared the House and heads to the Senate, where we will try to stop it. Here is the House vote:

Voting anti-gun: Adams, D.M., Aird, Askew, Ayala, Bagby, Bourne, Bulova, Carr, Carter, Cole, J.G., Convirs-Fowler, Delaney, Gooditis, Guy, Guzman, Hayes, Helmer, Heretick, Herring, Hope, Hudson, Jenkins, Jones, Keam, Kory, Krizek, Levine, Lopez, McQuinn, Mugler, Mullin, Mundon King, Murphy, Plum, Price, Rasoul, Reid, Roem, Samirah, Scott, Sickles, Simon, Simonds, Subramanyam, Sullivan, Torian, Tran, VanValkenburg, Ward, Watts, Willett, Williams Graves, Filler-Corn

Voting pro-gun: Adams, L.R., Austin, Avoli, Batten, Bell, Bloxom, Brewer, Byron, Campbell, J.L., Campbell, R.R., Cole, M.L., Cox, Coyner, Davis, Edmunds, Fariss, Fowler, Freitas, Gilbert, Head, Hodges, Hurst, Kilgore, Knight, LaRock, Leftwich, Marshall, McGuire, McNamara, Miyares, Morefield, O'Quinn, Orrock, Poindexter, Ransone, Robinson, Runion, Rush, Tyler, Walker, Wampler, Ware, Webert, Wiley, Wilt, Wright, Wyatt

HB1773 (Constitutional Concealed Carry), HB1793 (CHP holders exempt from local gun-control), HB2285 (additional One Handgun a Month exemptions) were all killed by the Public Safety Firearms committee, proving again that the committee's name of "Public Safety" is a misnomer. HB2310 (extension on validity of online training to March 31) passed out of subcommittee, but expect mischief in full committee on Friday.

Your emails and calls made a difference on HB2319, which requires a gun owner to keep their firearms inaccessible to any person who is a cohabitant and is prohibited from having firearms. Originally the bill required all guns to be unloaded and the ammunition stored separately. The revised bill drops both of those requirements. VCDL is now neutral on HB2319. HB2319 passed out of committee and will be heard in full committee on Friday.

Article on some of the gun bills being considered:

https://roanoke.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/suicides-at-gun-ranges-lead-to-virginia-legislation-to-require-background-checks-for-gun-rentals/article_62ddf826-5f59-11eb-8a38-37dddf7abdac.html

4. Blacksburg predictably passes maximum local gun-controlBlacksburg Town Council once more shows its tyrannical side, passing a full-throated local gun-control ordinance:

https://roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg-town-council-passes-gun-ban-in-town-buildings/article_2305c30c-553e-11eb-b751-ef62f4c743b0.html

Here is the ordinance:

https://blacksburg.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=20&event_id=5657&meta_id=92709

5. Where VCDL is located on social media https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vVlozP8LekEWSC2ZULiZxyus8JEoXsCbUX4Juu3quAM/edit

6. New Congresswoman stands up to unconstitutional gun laws in DC and the Capitol
Congresswoman Boebert attended VCDL's Lobby Day on January 20, 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqafjg7vyok

7. Gun control was meant to control minorities and it doesGun control has a shameful history in America. It was created by Democrats to disarm blacks and other minorities from around the time of the Civil War onward. A disarmed segment of the population is much easier to control than an armed one.

Gun control still affects minorities at a much higher rate than other groups and it is still being pushed by Democrats. Gun control needs to be defunded and repealed in its entirety. The Democrat Party needs to get onboard with protecting civil rights, not destroying them.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/01/20/richmond-police-seize-guns-from-group-of-black-men-at-gun-rights-rally-while-white-boogaloo-boys-admit-they-faced-no-issues/
 

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#8 et seq is here due to character limit for each post.

Numbers 8, 10, and 11 specifically are here. Read those. You will find them of interest.

Nemo

8. Terry McAuliffe wants to run for Virginia Governor again and wants a ban on semi-automatic rifles if he wins. Here we go again. Another Democrat politician, Terry McAuliffe, that wants to take our guns. Forget that semi-automatic rifles are rarely used by criminals. People are beat to death with hands and feet at a much higher rate than they are shot with any kind of long gun.

Terry McAuliffe is running again to be Governor and this time he is running on a gun-control agenda. Election day is Tuesday, November 2, and gun owners had better get to the polls in droves if we want to keep our guns.

https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/terry-mcauliffe-wants-virginia-to-pass-assault-weapons-ban/

9. Article on Lobby Day https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/gun-rally-virginia-lobby-day/2021/01/15/1a4b2486-55e4-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

10. Virginia Supreme Court to rule on a concealed handgun in backpack in car at feet of passengerFrom one of our attorney members:

The Virginia Supreme Court heard oral argument this week in the matter of Myers v. Commonwealth (link to audio below) in which the Court is asked to decide whether a handgun concealed within a backpack at the feet of a passenger in the right front passenger seat falls within the vehicle exception to the concealed carry statute. Defendant was convicted of carrying concealed without a permit under these facts and the conviction was upheld at the Court of appeals.
It is hard to know where the Court will rule. On delivery, I did not find either counsel to be particularly effective, but the counsel for the Attorney General's office was downright terrible. She seemed utterly unprepared to present the argument.

Here's the link: http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/scv/oral_arguments/2021/jan/200165.mp3

11. Support for gun control is at lowest level since 2016 https://news.gallup.com/poll/325004/support-stricter-gun-laws-lowest-level-2016.aspx

12. [CA] Restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are written onRestraining orders are a placebo. It is better that a person under threat also have a firearm. Another tragic case:

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/01/09/ms-13-gang-member-captured-killing-ex-girlfriend-front-daughter/

13. Why we carryA close call makes a believer out of a woman:

https://youtu.be/Xm1Q6SQ3ZLY

14. VCDL member reminded just how fast crime can head your wayIn reference to this event:

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/01/police-sterling-residents-asked-to-avoid-dulles-crossing-plaza-after-nonfatal-shooting/

A member sent me this:

First we heard the helicopters (plural).
Then we saw lights, more lights, yelling, SWAT-type folks with weapons drawn moving through our backyard, with dogs.

After about a half hour, there was much commotion a few doors down, and a bit later, the presumed shooter was taken on a stretcher by ambulance.

My wife wanted to go out and look.

My daughter and I restrained her.

We gathered ready weapons for the purpose, and went to our safe area.

Just never know.

15. Red Flag laws are pointless
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2021/01/05/colorado-case-folly-red-flag-laws/
 

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Legislative activity and VCDL putting out alert. There is about 35K members and I suspect about 50+K folks just on our email list who got this today. I suspect a very high percentage clicked, typed, and sent the email.

Nemo


We need to contact the Virginia Senate to stop the following bad gun-bills that cleared the House:

HB1909 - School Boards can ban guns in their buildings and at meetings, as if they are an actual school - a felony if you inadvertently have a loaded gun even in the parking lot!

HB2081 - Prohibits carry within 40 feet of a polling place

HB2128 - Increases time, from 3 days to 5 days, that the State Police can take to do a background check before a gun can be sold

HB2276 - Makes 80% builds and other homemade guns illegal, with no grandfathering for existing owners

To take action, click here.
 

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Win.

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Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL)



1. URGENT ACTION ITEM: Charles City County getting input on possible shooting restrictions

2. SB1250 is dead for the year

1. Details deleted as irrelevant here. Any interest I will edit.

2. SB1250 is dead for the year
Your emails worked! SB1250, which required background checks to rent a gun at a range, has been sent back to committee from the Floor. That committee is not going to meet today, so that bill is dead for this year.
 

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More general info. Be careful of granting local control. See what we have going on now.

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1. Portsmouth City Council to discuss "gun violence" at work session on 2/9/21
2. REMINDER: Fairfax City Council to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/9/91
3. REMINDER: Winchester City Council to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/9/21
4 ACTION ITEM: Loudoun County Board of Supervisors to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/10/21
5. Roanoke gun show for Feb 6 and 7 has been POSTPONED

1. Portsmouth City Council to discuss "gun violence" at work session on 2/9/21
The Portsmouth City Council work session is on Tuesday, February 9, starting at 4 pm. At this point there is going to be a discussion with the Portsmouth PD on "gang-related criminality and gun violence". This could be simply something informative on gangs, but it could also become a discussion on passing local gun-control.

We will be monitoring to see what is discussed and whether we need to start contacting City Council. If you plan on watching the meeting live and can report back what was discussed, that would be great!

Thanks to VCDL's Watch Team Leader for Portsmouth for catching this and reporting it.

2. REMINDER: Fairfax City Council to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/9/91
Fairfax City is getting public input and voting on their proposed local gun-control ordinance on Tuesday, February 9. The meeting is virtual and starts at 7 pm.

As written, it has the maximum restrictions: prohibits guns in local government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events or at events that should have been permitted. No exceptions for CHP holders.

However, when discussing this ordinance late last year, there seemed to be a possibility that parks could be exempted and a slim possibility some kind of concession for permit holders. Their plan was to introduce the most restrictive version and possibly modify it during the meeting on February 9.

Information on attending the virtual meeting and commenting on it is here (get your comments in by Monday): https://www.fairfaxva.gov/services/about-us/city-meetings

The proposed ordinance can be seen here: https://fairfax.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=11&clip_id=2608&meta_id=86339

3. REMINDER: Winchester City Council to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/9/21
Winchester City Council is planning local gun-control, using the events of January 6 in DC as an excuse. They are getting public input and voting on the proposed ordinance on Tuesday, February 9, at 6 pm in a virtual meeting.

Winchester wants to do what eight other tyrannical localities have done: prohibit guns in local government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events or at events that should have been permitted. No exceptions for CHP holders, either, which at least Newport News had the decency to do.

Information on how to attend the meeting virtually and/or send in comments are here (get your comments in by Monday): https://www.winchesterva.gov/city-event/city-council-regular-meeting-and-work-session-20

4. ACTION ITEM: Loudoun County Board of Supervisors to get input and vote on local gun-control on 2/10/21 On Wednesday, February 10, at 6 pm the Loudoun Board of Supervisors is going to get public input and vote on an ordinance that would prohibit carry in local government buildings, parks, and community and recreation centers.

A proposed amendment to the ordinance would allow CHP holders to carry in parks, as long as they carry concealed and the gun is not a centerfire rifle or pistol that has a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds, or has a threaded barrel or a folding stock, or is a shotgun that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered. Uh, you can't carry a concealed rifle or shotgun in Virginia, so that part of the ordinance is moot if you are required to carry concealed with a CHP.

Here is the original proposed ordinance. Here is the ordinance with the proposed park exemption for CHP holders.

ACTION ITEM

We need contact the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors and tell them not to pass any ordinance that disarms citizens, putting those citizens at the mercy of armed and dangerous criminals.

Electronic/call-in public input: To give electronic public comments, speakers are strongly encouraged to sign up in advance by contacting the Office of the County Administrator at (703) 777-0200 by 12:00 p.m. on the day of the Public Hearing. Electronic input in this Public Hearing will be facilitated by the WebEx Events platform. To participate, speakers may log-on with a computer or dial in by phone. Detailed log-on instructions will be provided to individuals who sign up in advance and posted online the day of the Public Hearing at http://loudoun.gov.

You can also send an email to the entire Board of Supervisors by clicking here: mailto:[email protected]

5. Roanoke gun show for Feb 6 and 7 has been POSTPONED The Roanoke gun show that was scheduled for this weekend has been postponed. No new date set yet.
 

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And more local control coming.

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1. Winchester ignores overwhelming comments against local gun-control
2. Fairfax City lowers penalty, but passes local gun-control ordinance
3. Portsmouth gun discussion was not focused on gun control
4. Loudoun County postpones consideration of local gun-control
5. General Assembly update

1. Winchester ignores overwhelming comments against local gun-control On Tuesday, the vast majority of comments given to the Winchester City Council on their proposed local gun-control were against the ordinance. Ignoring the comments, the Board of Supervisors passed the ordinance, which prohibits carry in local government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, and at permitted, or should have been permitted, events and adjacent streets. No exceptions for CHP holders. Violators will be warned before being charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor.

2. Fairfax City lowers penalty, but passes local gun-control ordinance After much detailed discussion and hearing from the public, including most against the proposed local gun-control ordinance, Fairfax City Council passed the ordinance prohibiting carry in local government buildings, parks, and recreation and community centers on Tuesday. Banning carry at permitted, or should have been permitted, events was stripped out of the ordinance. Also the penalty was reduced from a Class 1 misdemeanor (up to a $2,500 fine and/or up to 12 months in jail) to a Class 4 misdemeanor (up to a $250 fine and no jail time).

City Councilman Li was the shining star, standing up for liberty and the only one to vote against the ordinance. Li also put in an amendment to exempt CHP holders, but that motion was defeated. In second place was Councilman Harmon, who supported Li's amendment exempting CHP holders, but, sadly, he voted for the final package.

A warning will be given to anyone violating the ordinance before being charged with the Class 4 misdemeanor.

3. Portsmouth gun discussion was not focused on gun control On Tuesday, the Portsmouth City Council heard testimony on gangs and "gun violence." Since it dealt with guns, the meeting was monitored to see if local gun-control would be discussed. Local gun-control did not come up. Gang violence in the City was the focus.

4. Loudoun County postpones consideration of local gun-control
On Wednesday, the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors met to get public input on two proposed ordinances banning carry in County buildings, parks, and recreation and community centers. The 2nd proposal exempted CHP holders in parks. After hearing the public input, Chairwoman Randall and Supervisor Briskman moved to suspend the rules and vote on the ordinance. That motion was withdrawn when it was clear most of the Board wanted more time to consider the ordinance. The Board then voted to postpone consideration of the proposed ordinance until their March 2, 2021 business meeting. That would allow more time for amendments to be proposed and considered.

There was a motion to table the whole proposed ordinance. Unfortunately that motion was only supported by Supervisors Kershner and Buffington.

One of the amendments that might come up on March 2 is to allow CHP holders to carry in those County buildings that don't have security screening (supported by Supervisor Letourneau).

There were lots of excellent speakers, the majority of which were against the ordinance. A couple of Jewish speakers supported the exemption for CHP holders in parks due to threats to the Jewish community. I was baffled why they would accept the carry prohibition in buildings. Surely, they must realize that they could be attacked just as easily in a library as in a park?

Let's keep up the pressure on Loudoun County!

5. General Assembly update
Today, the Senate Judiciary committee heard two House bills:

HB2128, Lopez, allows the Virginia State Police to take up to 5 days to perform an "instant" background check. The bill passed out of committee on a 9 to 6 partisan vote and heads to the Senate Floor.

Voting pro-gun: Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Stanley, Peake

Voting anti-gun: Edwards, Saslaw, Lucas, Deeds, Petersen, Surovell, McClellan, Boysko, Morrissey

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HB2310, Runion, allows people who took their online CHP training before January 1, 2021 and tried to apply for their CHP before January 1, 2021, but were not able to do so due to COVID-19 restrictions, to be able to reapply until March 31. The bill passed out of committee unanimously and heads to the Senate Floor.
 

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Most recent report.

I think its not a good idea to edit unrelated (by my thoughts) out and a link to the full note. That is not possible anymore.

The service carrying the full email where a link went to it made it not possible to continue that for VCDL. So you all get the whole thing.

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1. VCDL got an extension on 18-20 year olds purchasing handguns being exempt from UBCs until December 15, 2021!
2. Christiansburg Town Council says a firm "NO" to local gun-control!
3. Badass Brass is giving a 10% discount to VCDL members!
4. Easy to remember: VCDL to have monthly membership meetings online on third Thursday
5. A look at some federal gun bills
6. NRA sues Fairfax County over park ban. VCDL still eyeing options
7. Virginia Beach Rifle & Pistol Club donates $1,000 to VCDL!
8. Correction on name of Fairfax City Councilman
9. Anti-gun forces gather for assault on 2A
10. U.S. Supreme Court to decide if police can enter home without warrant to seize guns
11. "Wolf in sheep's clothing" - gun control opinion piece by a "gun owner"
12. What happened when the U.S. Government confiscated guns for "Safety & Protection"
13. Modern sporting rifles as bear stoppers? Yep.
14. Factually challenged Letter to the Editor about "white racists" being in downtown Richmond on January 18
15. Where is VCDL located on social media?
16. Biden's 2A: 1) Doctors to initiate red flags and 2) putting gun makers out of business
17. Gun laws don't stop the killing
18. Don't waste your time with Affirm - they are against your right to protect yourself
19. Just for laughs: criminal shoots himself in the leg - caught on Ring doorbell video
20. VCDL in the media

1. VCDL got an extension on 18-20 year olds purchasing handguns being exempt from UBCs until December 15, 2021!
Success!

Earlier this month, VCDL and GOA went to court to extend the current stay on the requirement that 18 to 20 year olds are subject to Virginia's Universal Background Check law when purchasing handguns. The current stay was set to expire in February.

The judge granted the VCDL/GOA motion and the stay was extended until December 15, 2021.

2. Christiansburg Town Council says a firm "NO" to local gun-control! After watching Blacksburg pass local gun-control, Christiansburg Town Councilman Steve Huppert thought that Christiansburg could use a little tyranny, too. So he wrote a Letter to the Editor and then this article was published in the Roanoke Times:

https://roanoke.com/news/local/christiansburg-councilman-favors-town-adopting-gun-control-measure-akin-to-blacksburg/article_54dc66e8-67c1-11eb-8354-332f91708142.html

Notice in the article how Huppert says, "You just want to take small bites." There is no satisfying gun-controllers. They won't stop until our right to keep and bear arms is but a distant memory and America's beacon on the hill has gone dark.

However, VCDL EM John Wilburn was having none of it. He and another gun-rights supporter headed to the next Town Council meeting to head that puppy off at the pass. John sent me this report:

At the end of all other business, Councilman Huppert proposed a presentation on gun control at a March council meeting. The Mayor asked each of the other five council members if they would be interested in such a presentation and all five were an unambiguous NO. The Mayor then commented that he was not interested in gun control citing that the "95%" of gun owners who aren't the problem might be part of the solution and that the town cannot shoulder the costs of screening and security like the courthouse.

Then, Councilman Showalter brought up that Huppert raises this issue several times per year and no one is interested and asked Huppert to "drop it." Huppert agreed.

So for the time being, gun control is a dead issue in Christiansburg.

What a breath of fresh air compared to the Blacksburg Town Council!

Here is the followup story in the Roanoke Times:

https://roanoke.com/news/local/christiansburg-councilman-finds-no-takers-on-gun-control-measure/article_1cc0fb6a-6b50-11eb-a6ad-b33a41917ac2.html

3. Badass Brass is giving a 10% discount to VCDL members! Badass Brass, LLC, which offers used brass and other loading supplies, is now offering a 10% discount to VCDL members. Just enter VCDL2021 at checkout and the discount will be applied automatically. Website: badassbrass.com

4. Easy to remember: VCDL to have monthly membership meetings online on third Thursday Since we no longer have to schedule meetings at the Mason District Government Center a year in advance (nor will we be holding meetings there), we have decided to have an online membership meeting every 3rd Thursday of each month, starting this month. The meetings will begin at 8 pm. Currently they can be watched on VCDL's Youtube channel (http://tiny.cc/VCDLyoutube). We are planning on having them available on more platforms in the future.

The next meeting is going to be on February 18.

5. A look at some federal gun bills
"Crazy Sheila" Jackson Lee, who says and does the stupidest things, has put in a bill, H.R. 127, that is the gun-control lobby's dream. It has gun and ammo registration and licensing, a psychological evaluation requirement, horrendously-stiff penalties for possession of a gun or ammunition without a license, a ban on .50 caliber ammo, a requirement to notify the U.S. Attorney General if you loan or give a gun to someone else, a complete ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, and much more. The bill is so bad that it has ZERO co-sponsors! Not even other Democrats want to come within 500 feet of that bill.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio has put in a bill to suspend the gun rights of anyone who has been merely "investigated" for Domestic Terrorism. With friends like Rubio...

https://www.unz.com/estriker/senator-marco-rubio-introduces-bill-to-suspend-gun-rights-of-anyone-who-has-ever-been-investigated-for-domestic-terrorism/

This bill would make it illegal to purchase a gun on layaway, amongst many other things, under the guise of fighting "gun trafficking":

https://bearingarms.com/patrick-richardson/2021/02/11/gun-trafficking-cripple-legal-market-n40310

6. NRA sues Fairfax County over park ban. VCDL still eyeing options
The NRA is suing Fairfax County over their ban on possession of firearms in parks and in areas adjacent to a permitted event, or an event that should have been permitted. Fairfax County is not the only jurisdiction that has implemented this type of unreasonable local gun-control ordinance. VCDL continues to review the other localities for possible legal action. Stay tuned.

7. Virginia Beach Rifle & Pistol Club donates $1,000 to VCDL! VCDL thanks the Virginia Beach Rifle & Pistol Club for a generous $1,000 donation! In the accompanying letter, Steven Gordon, the Club's treasurer, wrote, "On behalf of the Virginia Beach Rifle & Pistol Club, I am pleased to enclose a $1,000 donation. The Board of Directors extends our thanks for everything the VCDL does for Virginia gun owners."

8. Correction on name of Fairfax City Councilman
I had a typo in the name of the freedom-minded Fairfax City Councilman who stood up for gun owners recently: Sang Yi is the correct spelling.

9. Anti-gun forces gather for assault on 2A https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/02/06/anti-gun-forces-gathering-for-assault-on-second-amendment-n1423665
 
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