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Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by Nemo, Nov 5, 2019.

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Sep 11, 2020 #561
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Update. With all going on up here you best get better organized and working down there. It is coming on the state level. And like a freight train for your living room if things go dem in about a month and a half.

Click link for details beyond initial part.

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/cc732afdf877/va-alertlocal-gun-control-update-and-important-message-91120

1. Don't take the bait - we must traverse these troubled waters with a steady hand, calm mind, and an unbending resolve
2. City of Richmond passed additional gun ban at permitted events and adjacent streets on Sept. 8
3. City of Charlottesville passed Alexandria-style gun-ban on Sept 8, effective on Oct 1
4. Good news: Town of Burkeville passed "No local gun-control" resolution on September 8!
5. Action Item: Fairfax County breaks their own protocol as they rush to push gun ban through on Tuesday, Sept. 15
6. Reminder: Arlington County to vote on gun ban on Saturday, Sept. 12
7. Important Reminder: Chesapeake to vote on "No local gun-control" resolution on Tuesday, Sept. 22 - big turnout requested!
8. Action Item: Essex County to consider "No local gun-control" resolution in October
9. More good news: Northumberland County just passed their "No local gun-control resolution!

1. Don't take the bait - we must traverse these troubled waters with a steady hand, calm mind, and an unbending resolve
Let me prefix this by asking why so many are upset by what Richmond just did? It's the same thing that Alexandria, Falls Church, and Charlottesville have done, and that Fairfax and Arlington are planning to do.

The frustration and anger that gun owners are feeling about having our constitutionally protected right to self-defense stripped away by Democrat leadership and local governments is both palpable and justified.

We get it. The VCDL Board of Directors is every bit as furious and fed up as all of you are by the hypocrites and tyrants in government, who have spat on both their oath of office, the Constitution, and the people they are supposedly representing.

They bow to Michael Bloomberg, George Soros, Karl Marx, Castro, and Lenin.

We know the endgame is to disarm us, not to provide for "public safety," as the tyrants feign. This is a war for the heart and soul of our country that started in earnest a couple of years ago and is now escalating dramatically.

We also know the enemies of freedom are goading us into striking out. They desperately want our emotions to take over, dividing us in whatever they can, and pushing us over the edge into a civil war. The socialist agenda and the elections in November have everything to do with all of this.

We must NOT, we dare NOT, and we will NOT give the enemies of freedom what they want! Unlike the other side, we will NOT let hatred rule us or divide us. It's our determination and love of this great country and state that is going to rule!

We are going to fight this war and we are going to do so with a steady hand and a powerful resolve to kick these miscreants out of government. The elections this year, next year, and in 2023 are going to determine our fate. Will we have freedom and a government that respects our civil rights or will we be slaves to a tyrannical government? Will there be peace, a civil war, or even a revolutionary war? Let's pray for, and work for, freedom and peace.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW

We need to push back on the tyrants who are leading the charge to disarm us. Watch for an alert on Mayor Stoney of Richmond coming soon. We'll start with him.

We need to fight against any and all localities that are implementing any local gun-bans. On the radar right now: Arlington County, Fairfax County, and Norfolk. Whether we stop them or not, they need to know they were in a fight.

The lawlessness, the destruction of public and private property, the attack on law enforcement, and the attack on our gun rights are all working in our favor in the upcoming elections. If your opponent is trying to hang himself, by all means, get out of his way!

VOTE IN THE ELECTIONS. Best to vote early and in person at your local registrar's office. Make sure your like-minded friends, neighbors, and family are registered to vote and make sure they vote. Encourage them to vote early at their local Registrar's office, too.

The election this November 3 is extremely important. If the Democrats have a massive win at the federal level, they will be emboldened to bring back Senator Saslaw's gun-confiscation scheme in January. Even your concealed handgun permit could be in jeopardy. On the other hand, if the Democrats suffer a huge loss, they will likely rethink their gun-control platform.

Plain and simple: we are not going to let freedom die in Virginia on our watch!
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More goings on up here. Some fun, some new, some scary. Fair bit to read, Fair bit to watch. All of it worthwhile.

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/1dcb3e2a4306/va-alertvcdl-update-92520

1. Chesapeake becomes 37th "No local gun-control" resolution locality! Interesting details
2. Anti-rights Delegate Dan Helmer reminds us they are coming for our guns in January
3. Who is going to win these two trophies this Saturday?
4. Number of CHP holders in Virginia is up!
5. A video for new gun-owners on being active politically
6. Rittenhouse video - sure looks like self-defense to me
7. Voting has begun!
8. Congressman Bobby Scott has a new opponent
9. Article on Red Flag law being used in Virginia

1. Chesapeake becomes 37th "No local gun-control" resolution locality! Interesting details
I didn't have time to type-up the report on Chespeake passing their "No local gun-control" resolution on Tuesday, so I did an audio report. Click here to listen to it:

https://vcdl.org/resources/Audio/Chesapeake.mp3

2. Anti-rights Delegate Dan Helmer reminds us they are coming for our guns in January
We had best have a huge Lobby Day on Monday, January 18, 2021, as it is clear that the Democrat gun-controllers in the General Assembly are coming for our guns, magazines, suppressors and more. Here is an email that Delegate Dan Helmer is sending out to his consitituents:
My name is Dan Helmer. I represent Virginia’s 40th House District, and am the first Democrat to represent the 40th in three decades.

I’m also a West Point graduate. I deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan -- there, I lost friends to bullets. Such losses were devastating, but they happened in war zones. But our streets and schools aren’t war zones, and enough is enough.

I sit on the Guns Subcommittee, and I helped pass vital pieces of gun violence prevention legislation this spring. But, in the face of the gun lobby and NRA resistance, one major initiative I helped to patron failed: a ban on assault weapons and limits on magazine size. These dangerous weapons can still be purchased here in Virginia and used in deadly violence across the country.

Weapons like those I carried in war zones shouldn’t be sold in our communities. I hope you’ll join me in demanding an end to the sale of these exceptionally deadly weapons. Add your name to our petition!

3. Who is going to win these two trophies this Saturday?
Who will bring home one of these trophies at the VCDL/LEO Benefit shooting match at the Rivanna Rifle and Pistol Club on Saturday at 10 am? If VCDL wins the overall team match, then individual trophies will be given to the VCDL team members (trophy not shown). The top shooter of the day and the top LEO team will get one of the trophies below.

Participating Sheriffs Department teams: Powhatan, Culpeper, and York Counties. (Grayson County had to drop out due to a sudden, temporary, shortage of manpower.)

VCDL's team members:
Benjamin McLeod
Malcolm J. Blundell
Kevin Osborne
Michael Orsinger
Roland Corbett
Daniel S
Wes Boozer
Dave Weston
Philip Van Cleave
John Wilburn

So far $3,270 has been raised for the American Cancer Society. Our goal was $2,000!

4. Number of CHP holders in Virginia is up!
Fresh numbers from the Virginia State Police:

Resident CHP holders: 661,948
Non-resident CHP holders: 43,393
Total: 705,341

Woot, woot!

5. A video for new gun-owners on being active politically
Many of the new gun-owners may not know the first thing about the politics involved. This video is aimed at them and also has a plug for VCDL:

6. Rittenhouse video - sure looks like self-defense to me
This video was put together by the Rittenhouse defense team from multiple sources. Everyone walking around with a cell phone that can take video can be a curse, but also a blessing in documenting an event.

7. Voting has begun!
You can now vote early, and in person, at your local Registrar's Office.

All elections are important, but elections this year and in 2021 and 2022 are critical to getting our rights back. If we don't vote, we will see even more intense efforts to disarm us.

8. Congressman Bobby Scott has a new opponent
John Colllick is running against anti-gun Congressman Bobby Scott for Virginia's 3rd Congressional District. Mr. Collick has a strong statement in support of our right to self-defense on his website:

https://www.collickforcongress.com/issues

Right To Self Defense

The Right to Self-Defense is inherent in humanity and in the United States, includes the Right to own personal weapons. Currently, Democrats at every level, from local governments up to the U.S. Congress, are constantly working to deprive law abiding Americans of their Rights to own guns. Not one proposed law is aimed at taking guns from criminals – or people who receive guns illegally. They all "explain" the need to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

We are rapidly moving toward general gun confiscation. All it will take is another person merely states he thinks a gun owner might be a danger to local authorities. The authorities will confiscate that persons weapons; the weapons might be returned if a court decides the gun owner is not a threat. Fewer and fewer people are inclined to say that another person poses no threat - a judge would be no different.

Statistics clearly show that when a properly trained individual is present during a shooting, the threat is quickly mitigated. Unfortunately, when someone prevents a mass shooting, it’s rarely reported outside of the local area but when a mass shooter is successful, it’s reported as an epidemic.
Over the past seven years, concealed carry permit holders were credited with saving multiple lives in Rockledge, Florida (2017), Antioch, Tennessee (2017), Arlington, Texas (2017), Lyman, South Carolina (2016), Winton, Ohio (2015), Conyers, Georgia (2015), New Holland, South Carolina (2015), Chicago, Illinois (2015), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (2015), Darby, Pennsylvania (2015), Chicago, Illinois (2014), Portland, Oregon (2014), and Spartanburg, South Carolina (2012).

To continue to enjoy your God given Rights - whether they're the Rights to Bear Arms, Peaceably Assemble, Be Free from Search of Your Property without Cause, or any other inalienable Rights, you need a Congressman who will Fight to keep these from being taken. Only John Collick is willing to fight for these Rights - Bobby Scott will not - unless you're an Illegal Immigrant, whom he supports without restriction or reservation.

9. Article on Red Flag law being used in Virginia
Red Flag laws are more likely to get someone killed, because they offer no help to someone having a mental-health crisis. It's a feel-good law and that's it. The solution that should be used is a Temporary Detention Order, which has due process and gets a person help with a mental-health crisis. The person's gun rights aren't affected unless it is determined that the person needs mental-health treatment.

Article:

36 Virginians barred from possessing guns since Va.'s new 'Red Flag' law began July 1

https://fredericksburg.com/news/sta...cle_8317eb7b-72d5-5714-91a6-bb8791c8d2d2.html
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I have had discussions with several around here visiting Va. Some more details info you might find helpful. The link has lots of good stuff but the most relevant to this is copied below.

I STRONGLY suggest you all read-- 9. Muzzle position may affect self-defense shooting decision

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/0c4ece9b2abe/va-alertvcdl-update-101020

1. Action Item: Let's stop the use of the Red Flag law in Sanctuaries!
2. City of Staunton to consider sanctuary status sometime in October
3. Action item: One type of AR pistol has been reclassified by BATFE as a short-barreled rifle
4. VCDL membership map - where are VCDL members in Virginia located?
5. VCDL member doing open carry walks in Fairfax in non-restricted parks to educate
6. Candidates for Virginia Attorney General in 2021
7. Number of CHP holders in the U.S. continues to soar
8. Article on legal self-defense in Virginia
9. Muzzle position may affect self-defense shooting decision
10. VCDL GSL-stickers in California
11. 20-year-old gun owner refused to comply with open-carry ban in Newport News and is arrested
12. The Latent Threat to Your Right to Keep and Bear Arms

8. Article on legal self-defense in Virginia
Written by member Kat Stansell:

Legal Self Defense

In these times of increasing violence in the streets, perpetrated by anarchists who mean to destroy our country, there is a greater need than ever before to understand what you may do within the law, to defend yourself, your home and your family, should the situation arise. In city after city, over the last months, there have been a mass of horrific stories of innocent people who have been attacked, on the street or in their homes and businesses. Violence is moving from the large metropolitan centers to smaller towns, and is promised to soon come to rural areas. We MUST be prepared, not only with armament but also with knowledge.

In Virginia we do still retain the ability to defend our homes, and our persons, despite all of the the gun-grabbers in our General Assembly. THAT is very good news. However, we must understand exactly what is legal to do and what is not, so that we are not the ones arrested. To help you to have a clear picture of legal self defense, I have interviewed two professionals on the subject, a local sheriff, and the head of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Phillip Van Cleave, and I am grateful for their input.

Virginia common law recognizes two types of legal self-defense, a “stand your ground” defense and the “castle doctrine”. The castle doctrine, stemming from medieval times, applies to defense of your home, business or vehicle. The “stand your ground” defense goes further. It allows for the legal use of deadly force in any place where you are lawfully allowed to be, such as a public street or park. From these have developed the concepts of justifiable (no fault) defense and excusable (some fault) defense. In both, as with all cases of self-defense today, the burden of proof is on the defendant – that would be us, the law-abiding citizens. Self defense is an affirmative defense, meaning that the defendant admits to the killing, and accepts the burden of proof that the act was justifiable or excusable. Let's unpack both defenses and the issues surrounding them, to better understand our legal rights to protect ourselves and what is precious to us.

There is NO PERMIT REQUIRED to carry a weapon inside your home or business or vehicle if you are of age (1 to legally own a firearm. When approached by a potential attacker, you do NOT have to retreat, and you may defend yourself and/or your family. Deadly force may only be used if you or another person are under immediate threat of being killed or injured. Having said that, how is one to KNOW what is about to occur? How can we tell for sure that there is an immediate threat?

You must be able to ascertain the intent of the person approaching you. This does not require mind reading, but it does ask you to apply some powers of observation and common sense. Does what the aggressor is doing or carrying cause you to fear for your physical safety? For example, if someone approaching you (or your home/vehicle/business) is carrying a gun, knife, molotov cocktail, flame thrower, bat, tire iron, bludgeon, or any other weapon of obvious aggression, you may assume “intent to harm”. If those approaching have a disparity of force over you – overwhelming numbers of people or a huge weight or extreme age disparity over your own-- then deadly force is also allowed.

If, however, someone approaching your personal territory has their hands concealed in their pockets, or inside of a carried object like a bag, this does NOT constitute reasonable fear of injury or death. You may NOT fire on someone who is on your property illegally, despite posted warnings of “no trespass”. Likewise, you may NOT fire, even those trying to break in during the daylight hours. As odd as this may sound, the law allows for the possibility that the intruder means only to steal personal property, and does not want to cause you harm. If a break-in is attempted during the hours of darkness, however, it is automatically viewed by the law, as threat to your health and safety - that the intruders mean to cause you bodily harm or death.

In the “stand your ground” defense, you are allowed the use of deadly force anywhere you have a right to be – in a public place, on a sidewalk or street, etc. Effectively, the concept of standing your ground extends the castle doctrine from your home/business/vehicle to anyplace you have a right to be. Of course, if you are trespassing on someone else's property, or in the process of committing a crime, you may not use a deadly weapon. You may not taunt or provoke the attacker. Never brandish a weapon unless you intend to use it.

Remember always, that the burden of proof is on the defendant in a self-defense case. If you shoot to protect yourself, there will be a court case, and YOU will be the defendant. In the castle doctrine, there are typically four elements of a successful self-defense case:

You must be INSIDE your home. Shooting an intruder outside typically causes the defendant to lose the case.

There must have been an actual attempt to enter the home. Standing threateningly at your door is NOT qualify. Nor may you use force if you have allowed entry but then are trying to get the person to leave.

You must prove that you were in actual danger of physical injury. Most often, the implements carried by the intruder and/or the number or physical size of them are your keys to successful proof.

You must not have provoked the attacker in any way.

In Virginia, you have NO duty to retreat from the intruder to avoid conflict, even inside your own home. You may NOT, however, provoke the attacker.

In both, the key is that you must be able to prove that you were in fear of immediate serious bodily harm or death. The burden of proof is on you. Bare fear of harm is NOT a sufficient defense. You must wait for some overt act indicating imminent danger. This is possibly the most difficult part of following this law. When you or someone you love is frightened, you are required to wait to see what the aggressor will do next.

What can you do to help your case, should you ever have to use deadly force? A couple of very simple suggestions may be helpful. First, keep your head. Control your nerves and impulses. Observe the aggressor carefully; notice details. Also, keep your cell phone with you at all times. Put in a call to 911 immediately, if at all possible. Take pictures of any individuals causing your fear, if you can do so without endangering you or those around you, or causing you to lose valuable seconds in preparation for defense. Again, don't brandish your weapon unless you intend to use it.

In summary, you are your own first and last line of defense. Recognize that fact, and be ready should you ever need to be.
Our laws have changed from the days of the founding of our country, and they differ by state. Know and understand them.

Our pioneer days are behind us. From the inception of America, to the early 1950's, the right to keep and bear arms was never questioned. The Second Amendment was considered the ultimate and most fundamental guarantee of life and freedom. Now, the Second Amendment has somehow become a topic for debate, scrutiny and angry leftist attack. Gun laws, once a given from our forefathers, are now constantly being changed. Today it is incumbent on us to know and understand current gun rights for our own protection – not only from the bad guys, but from the courts.

As with all matters of law, a licensed attorney is the final word on interpretation; one should be consulted to clarify any issue about which you may have question.

Pray that none of us is ever confronted with these situations.
Pray, too, that if you are, you are able to make the correct choices. Pray for our nation, for a future where knowledge of this subject is not as crucial as it is today.
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#11 from above. 10 minute video. Worth a watch. Someone here might feel a consult call would be good. At least an informative follow up post resolution.

Nemo

Man arrested for open carrying in Virginia public park ahead of Libertarian event

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Ahead of an event featuring Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate Spike Cohen, one attendee - Virginia militia leader Mike Dunn - was arrested for open carrying a handgun.

Dunn was arrested under a new local ordinance banning open carry at public parks authorized by a bill recently signed by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=344183130185391

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Nemo said: ↑

#11 from above. 10 minute video. Worth a watch. Someone here might feel a consult call would be good. At least an informative follow up post resolution.

Nemo

Man arrested for open carrying in Virginia public park ahead of Libertarian event

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Ahead of an event featuring Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate Spike Cohen, one attendee - Virginia militia leader Mike Dunn - was arrested for open carrying a handgun.

Dunn was arrested under a new local ordinance banning open carry at public parks authorized by a bill recently signed by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=344183130185391
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So next time don't elect a communist the governor of your state, and don't elect them to your city governments either.

Easy peasy

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Might want to look at this. Some national info in there. Look at the headlines and click the link. Note #13 below.

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/a46ec400feb1/va-alertvcdl-update-102120-with-action-item-for-staunton

1. Action item: Staunton public hearing on becoming a Second Amendment Sanctuary on Thursday, October 29

2. VCDL picnic in Salem on October 24 is cancelled

3. More info on the October 31st VCDL/RRRC match

4. Let's make Tuesday, October 27, a "Gun owners vote early and in person" day!

5. Photos and also a video of the course of fire for the inaugural VCDL/LEO Benefit Match held on September 26 is now on the VCDL website

6. Help needed: Richmond Gun Show on November 14 and 15

7. VCDL membership renewal time is here!

8. VCDL got an extension on the stay allowing 18 to 20 year-olds an exemption from universal background checks for private sales of handguns

9. Gun controllers trying old trick: create a fake "pro-gun" organization to siphon away money from the NRA and affect voting

10. Biden plan will tax gun owners for eye-popping amounts of money (think $200 for every magazine you have that holds 11+ rounds)

11. VCDL president's presentation at the "We the People" rally on October 17 [VIDEO]

12. Law Professor: Rioting and Looting Prove Second Amendment Not Outmoded or Anachronistic

13. Trump says he will sign a national reciprocity bill if it lands on his desk [VIDEO]

14. Nausea warning: interview with anti-rights Delegate Mark Levine

15. Biden: police should just "shoot people in the leg" instead of "shooting to kill"

16. US gun sales soar amid pandemic, social unrest, election fears

17. VCDL's "Ask a Gun Lawyer" video

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13. Trump says he will sign a national reciprocity bill if it lands on his desk [VIDEO]
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And just how could you imagine that a bill like that would ever get to his desk ?

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Some evidence Virginia may go red. Went for Obummer twice then hiLIARy with Kaine as VP. But this time, with Northam and his gun control plan there looks like a fair chance it will go back the other way.

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/11448a23677a/va-alertelection-edition-important-info

only related article quoted below. Others (if interested) at link above.

1. Work a polling place on Tuesday to remind citizens to vote to protect their gun rights first
2. Biden does Hail Mary on gun control
3. Virginia could well be in play!

1. . . .

2. . . .

3. Virginia could well be in play!
Target Smart, a Democrat-leaning election data firm, has reported its analysis of early voters -- and its projection of who will vote on Election Day. It has concluded:
President Trump can win Virginia.

Target Smart provides the following data for Virginia:
Early Voting through 10/30/2020: 2,292,289+ ballots cast
DEM 1,109,287 (48.4%) REP 872,623 (38.1%) Other 310,379 (13.5%)

Of estimated total turnout in Virginia, based on past performance, 53% have already voted, leaving 46% to vote on Election Day with 1% no opinion.

Voters left to vote on Election Day: REP 55% DEM 30% IND 15%
Election Day Voters Preference: Trump 59% Biden 35% Jorgensen 4% (Libertarian).

In short, Target Smart concludes that President Trump is looking at a four-point lead in Virginia IF he gets a solid Republican turnout.
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Nemo said: ↑

#11 from above. 10 minute video. Worth a watch. Someone here might feel a consult call would be good. At least an informative follow up post resolution.

Nemo

Man arrested for open carrying in Virginia public park ahead of Libertarian event

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Ahead of an event featuring Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate Spike Cohen, one attendee - Virginia militia leader Mike Dunn - was arrested for open carrying a handgun.

Dunn was arrested under a new local ordinance banning open carry at public parks authorized by a bill recently signed by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=344183130185391
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With what did they charge him?

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As I understand it, trespassing. Failure to leave public property while carrying after being requested.

Nemo

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What's wrong with Virginians? Gun control shoved down their throats not enough to get them to vote, or to get them to vote the right way when they do vote? Trump should have won the state.

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We got a fair big pile of yankees moved in up north near DC working for the government.

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I swear, I can’t figure out why groups vote the way they do. WV voted for Obama who told them in plain English he would put the mines out of business. And sure nuff, he did.
Now, barring the recount, Pennsylvania voted for Biden who said he’d stop fracking, which is a major portion of their booming new economy. Groups of voters are a strange herd of sheep sometimes.

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Update on Va politics and plans. Take special note of Item 10 regarding the portable wall hangers.

Nemo

https://mailchi.mp/43e75595540e/va-alertvcdl-update-111220

1. Regardless of election outcome, we have work to do in Virginia
2. Carry a gun always. Another example of an unexpected threat stopped by someone using a gun defensively
3. VCDL virtual membership meeting on Wednesday, November 18
4. Norfolk 2nd Amendment Preservation group urges Norfolk to stop stalling on 2nd Amendment Sanctuary status
5. Remember that for localities that have banned guns in certain areas, there must be signs at all entrances or the ban doesn't apply
6. FOIA: Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords behind Virginia's red flag law and attempt to shutdown gun stores during COVID-19
7. Company selling apparel that benefits VCDL
8. Shocking: Everytown lying about firearms being the leading cause of death for teens in Virginia
9. Florida Governor drafts law that would allow looters to be shot
10. Hopefully you didn't buy one of these portable wall hangers
11. Pro-gun restaurant owner from Colorado and VCDL Lobby Day attendee, elected to Congress!
12. OH, NO! Tell me it isn't so! These two guys from Virginia had G, GU, GUNS!!
13. Neat homemade repeating slide-action shotgun
14. New study: Healthcare workers help drive gun surge
15. Can't carry a gun somewhere? How about a cane?
16. Thanks to those who made the VCDL/RRRC shooting match on October 31 a success!

1. Regardless of election outcome, we have work to do in Virginia
The federal election is still up in the air with corruption appearing to be rampant in some states. However the election turns out, VCDL's main focus is going to be here in Virginia, as the state government players remain the same for 2021. Gun-hating Democrats control the Senate, the House, and the Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General positions, so expect another batch of heinous gun control to be introduced.

No doubt there will be a semi-automatic rifle ban, a magazine-capacity greater than 10 rounds ban, and a suppressor ban introduced. And expect an attack on reciprocity, which would greatly limit carrying in other states.

Lobby Day 2021 is on Monday, January 18th, and we need to dwarf the 2020 Lobby Day turnout to send a strong message that gun-control is unacceptable.

A year from now a new Virginia House of Delegates will have just been elected and we need to make sure that it is no longer controlled by those who want to strip us of our rights, when that General Assembly convenes in January, 2022!

Oh, and don't make any assumptions about having to come to Richmond unarmed. Details will be covered in future alerts.

See you there!

2. Carry a gun always. Another example of an unexpected threat stopped by someone using a gun defensively
"Rare" doesn't mean "never happens."

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/11/de...state-sheriff-says-carry-a-gun/#axzz6dVtygawq

3. VCDL virtual membership meeting on Wednesday, November 18
VCDL is have its monthly virtual membership meeting on Wednesday, November 18, from 8pm to 9:30 pm. The meeting can be watched live on Youtube and Facebook, or it can be watched as a recording after that.

To watch on Facebook, go to the VCDL page: https://www.facebook.com/VCDLpage

To watch on Youtube, go to the VCDL channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfjb__SDLZWOnZd4zlLX-xg/featured

4. Norfolk 2nd Amendment Preservation group urges Norfolk to stop stalling on 2nd Amendment Sanctuary status
Sufficient signatures were gathered (2,656 with only 1,300 required) during the election to compel the Norfolk City Council to consider a Second Amendment Resolution! City Council has 30 days to respond.

A new effort will now start to collect 4,000 signatures to get a referendum put on the ballot which will prohibit Norfolk from banning guns in public places. The 2,656 people who signed the current petition can re-sign the new referendum petition.

A detailed press release can be viewed here.

5. Remember that for localities that have banned guns in certain areas, there must be signs at all entrances or the ban doesn't apply
Reminder that those localities that choose to have local gun-control in parks, government buildings, recreation and community centers, and at permitted events and adjacent streets (Alexandria, Arlington County, Fairfax County, Falls Church, Charlottesville, Richmond City, and Newport News, currently), MUST post notices at all entrances and access points or the ordinance is not enforceable. Should there be a sign, you miss it, and you are either open carrying or doing an absolutely horrible job of carrying concealed, you will be notified and asked to leave by the police. Refusal to do so can get you charged with either trespass or a violation of the said gun-ordinance. Note that some of the signs are quite tiny and easily missed.

Also, remember that Newport News only prohibits open carry, but not concealed carry, in the specific locations specified by their ordinance.

6. FOIA: Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords behind Virginia's red flag law and attempt to shutdown gun stores during COVID-19
Some FOIAs by Ammoland, that VCDL is also studying, brought to light what we had already surmised about the incestuous ties between gun-control groups and the Northam Administration.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/11/mark-kelly-gabby-giffords-behind-virginias-red-flag-laws/

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/10/gi...or-northams-gun-store-shutdown/#axzz6cDdQ8uQP
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continuation of post just above. Note Item 10. Its Important.

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https://mailchi.mp/43e75595540e/va-alertvcdl-update-111220

7. Company selling apparel that benefits VCDL
https://www.piecekeepersapparel.com

8. Shocking: Everytown lying about firearms being the leading cause of death for teens in Virginia

Hell, yes, I'm angered by that flyer found at UVA - it's a lie!

Board member Patricia Webb noted this:

I did a quick search to see just how far off they were....
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm#fig2

The vast majority of deaths are from motor vehicle accidents. And one must also take into account that this is for age groups 12 - 19. I'm not sure why they wouldn't include 11-year-olds, but no doubt it would skew the results even further away from homicides, suicides and accidental firearm deaths.

9. Florida Governor drafts law that would allow looters to be shot
The concept isn't new, but it may be time to resurrect it. "You loot, we shoot" was on a sign I saw in a photo after Katrina. Pretty sure there was no looting in that neighborhood in Louisiana. People have gotten hurt and murdered trying to protect their property from looters. Insurance doesn't cover losses from looting, you are on your own.

Here in Virginia you can protect innocent human-life with deadly force, but not property.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/florida-governor-drafts-laws-that-allow-people-to-shoot-looters/

10. Hopefully you didn't buy one of these portable wall hangers
If you did, you might want to talk to a lawyer about the best way to divest yourself of it.

11. Pro-gun restaurant owner from Colorado and VCDL Lobby Day attendee, elected to Congress!
Lauren Boebert, the owner of Shooter’s Grill in Rifle, Colorado, beat an incumbent Republican in a primary and went on to win the election to be in Congress. She's strongly pro-gun and even came all the way from Colorado in January to attend Lobby Day. In fact, she was interviewed while at Lobby Day. I wish I had the chance to meet her there, but it didn't work out.

From Ammoland:

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/11/co...resswoman-elect-lauren-boebert/#axzz6dVtygawq

In the article below, I love how, when denied an interview by Ms. Boebert, a reporter for the New York Times suddenly discovers Liberty, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, all at once! ("That’s what freedom may look like in a second Trump term: more the my-way-or-the-highway muzzle of a Glock than the liberty enshrined by the Constitution and the rule of law.") Will wonders never cease?

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/11/02/anti-gun-dem-aiming-co-2a-challenger/

12. OH, NO! Tell me it isn't so! These two guys from Virginia had G, GU, GUNS!!
So, two gun-owners from Virginia traveled to Pennsylvania allegedly heading to where a vote count was being done. One had a Virginia CHP and the other didn't. So, when they arrived in Philadelphia and were walking around, the person with the CHP carried a concealed handgun and the other person openly carried their gun. They supposedly also had an AR-15, which was left in their vehicle.

The actual problem is that Pennsylvania does not honor Virginia permits. You have to get a non-resident PA permit if you wish to carry there (easy and quick to get). Also, while PA is an open carry state, it is NOT in Philadelphia, unless you have a valid CHP.

Supposedly the police got a "tip" that these two were headed to Philadelphia and were keeping an eye out for them. There is no evidence that either gun owner posed any kind of threat. Yet, you'd think they were about to destroy half of the City!

To me this press conference seems to be more political showboating by the Philadelphia police and wide-eyed freaking out by the media, than anything else. The press, as always, have their narrative. Unfortunately for the media, the prosecutor pretty much shot their hopeful narrative down.

Do check the local laws when you travel to another state armed. VA CHPs are recognized by most states, but NOT ALL of them.

13. Neat homemade repeating slide-action shotgun

14. New study: Healthcare workers help drive gun surge
https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/health-care-workers-helped-drive-gun-surge/

15. Can't carry a gun somewhere? How about a cane?
Tom Ashmore, who has the website below, and associated video, on using a cane for self-defense, has offered to do a lecture/demo as a VCDL fundraiser. Once things get back to normal, we will probably schedule something in central Virginia, assuming there is interest.

www.caneloyalty.com

16. Thanks to those who made the VCDL/RRRC shooting match on October 31 a success!
Getting the usual door prizes to hand out to the shooters in the VCDL/Roanoke Rifle and Revolver Club Match this year was unusually difficult, due to COVID-19's affects on the economy. That said, we still had many stores who stepped up to sponsor prizes, as well as two individual prize-sponsors. We thank all of them for their generosity and support and we urge you to thank the businesses personally when you visit their store:

* Trader Jerry's, Salem
* Big Boyz Guns, Blue Ridge
* Lynchburg Arms; Lynchburg
* Bryansteens Gun and Archery, Roanoke
* Gander Mountain, Roanoke
* Ed French and
* Al Steed Jr

We also thank those VCDL volunteers who drove many, many miles to get those prizes lined up and collected! Al Steed Jr. and EM Ken Modica set up and ran the VCDL table, as well as prepared the food, and Kathy Smith did the registration, while the rest of us were having fun. Thank you Al, Ken, and Kathy!

We also thank the Roanoke Rifle and Revolver Club for hosting the event, and to the many Range Safety Officers who ran the stages.

VCDL netted over $1,200!
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Up for a ride to Va? Seems some dem govt trying to do some opposition shutdown.

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https://mailchi.mp/0421861e91c2/va-alertvcdl-lobby-day-january-18-2021-rolling4the2a

The Virginia anti-gun Democrat leadership is trying desperately to suppress VCDL's Lobby Day in 2021 - but they won't succeed. Lobby Day this year will be more eye-popping than last year and you will be warmer to boot!

The Governor and the Democrats that control the General Assembly really, really don't want another massive VCDL Lobby Day and rally on January 18, 2021, so games are being played to silence us.

VCDL was told years ago that an application to use the Bell Tower for an event more than six months out would not even be accepted. We have followed that rule, booked six months out, and gotten the 11 am slot for 17 years. This year, when we applied exactly six months out, we were told that the 11 am slot was already booked! In fact, every slot was filled except the 6 am and 6 pm slots.

How was that even possible? We had booked right at the six month mark.

We got a copy of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) document containing the applications that had been accepted by the Department of General Services (DGS) for Lobby Day on January 18, 2021. Lo and behold - the 11am slot had been requested by Andrew Goddard and Lori Haas with the Virginia Center For Public Safety (a gun-control group with ties to Michael Bloomberg). Here's the kicker - DGS accepted the application, which had been filed OVER A YEAR IN ADVANCE (January 14, 2020)! That was even before the VCDL's 2020 Lobby Day event!

If Lori Haas's name sounds familiar, she's the paid gun-control lobbyist who the Democrats put on the supposedly non-partisan Crime Commission a few months ago, destroying the Commission's credibility on any gun-related items.

The other slots were taken by the following organizations (note the dates the applications were submitted - all self-proclaimed progressive organizations, all magically within a few days of Goddard's application, and all before VCDL's Lobby Day 2020!):

9 am: Care in Action. Applied on January 17, 2020.
1 pm: Progress Virginia (another gun-control rally). Applied on January 17, 2020.
3 pm: New Virginia Majority. Applied on January 19, 2020.

DGS's own rules say they will grant the venues to the first applicant with a valid application. That would have made VCDL the first valid applicant for the 11 am slot (or any of the slots for that matter). But that's not what is being done.

And that's not all: notification of who has actually gotten the slots won't be known until mid-December, making planning for such an event very difficult.

A new set of rules is in the process of being passed, which will allow DGS to postpone the event if the Governor or the General Assembly decides they want to use the grounds at that time. So, the day before Lobby Day, DGS could decide that some Senator needs to use the Bell Tower for one of his events and VCDL's event will be cancelled and moved to some other date. Also, If more than the maximum number of people show up for an event, it can be cancelled. I kid you not. Proposed changes can be seen here.

And then there are all the COVID-19 games that can be played by the Governor, as well as the House holding their session virtually in 2021.

If the Governor and the Democrats in the General Assembly want to play games in order to suppress our right to free speech, then we'll play a game of our own: it's called #Rolling4the2A, and this they can't stop.

You may have heard of the annual "Rolling Thunder" event in DC and the massive "Trump Trains" recently. Both involve hundreds of vehicles with flags and signs traveling together to express support for a cause.

VCDL is going to do that on January 18, but on steroids!

VCDL's lobbying effort on January 18 is going to consist of thousands of vehicles in four major caravans coming from the corners of the state and all of them headed to Richmond! We will post the times the various caravans should be passing key locations so those along the routes can join the caravans as it passes by their area.

The four major caravans will all flood into the Richmond area over a 4 hour period in the afternoon and will pass through the center of Richmond, near wherever the Senate is meeting.

We will have flags and magnetic signs for all the vehicles which are taking part in this event, so everyone watching the seemingly never-ending flow of vehicles will have no doubt about the mission of those vehicles.

We are already planning on how to cover and coordinate this event over social media, including having guest speakers live-streaming and allowing everyone to know where the various caravans are located as they move across the state.

Obviously we want as many vehicles as possible in each caravan, but we are looking at having some "decked-out" buses ("wrapped" with pro-gun messages) for those who simply cannot drive, but still want to be part of this incredible event.

As a bonus, you can stay armed, you can stay warm and/or dry in your vehicle, and no worries about finding a place to park!

This is going to be SOOOO cool. Yes, there will be a lot of driving from some of you, but it will be worth it. The message we will be sending will be heard not only in Richmond, but in the whole state, and across the country!

What if I want to park my vehicle and walk around Richmond armed?

While VCDL is not holding an event in Richmond, you are certainly allowed to park your car and walk around the City armed if you wish. Carry signs if you wish, too. The Richmond ordinance banning guns at a permitted event only applies if:

1. It is a permitted event or should have been a permitted event - you walking around Richmond is neither. Regardless of how many people decide to do so at the same time, it is irrelevant as long as they are not doing it as some kind of a coordinated effort
2. There must be "no guns" signs posted by the City and they can only post those signs temporarily for permitted events.

NOTES IF YOU ARE CARRYING A RIFLE OR A HANDGUN:

If you are planning to travel with a rifle or a handgun, either as a resident or a non-resident, please ensure you are aware of the applicable gun-laws. The Virginia State Police website has some good information on transporting firearms (https://www.vsp.virginia.gov/Firearms_Transporting.shtm).

For those with 'scary' black rifles or with certain handguns, please maintain awareness of Virginia code 18.2-287.4 "Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited" found at https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter7/section18.2-287.4/. Basically, if you are planning to carry a loaded, center-fire rifle or handgun with a threaded barrel, a folding stock (rifle only), or with a magazine in the gun that holds MORE than 20 rounds in Richmond, you must have a valid concealed handgun permit (all non-resident concealed carry permits are honored by Virginia).

Except as specified in the previous paragraph, open carry of a long gun or a handgun does not require a permit in Virginia. If you have a permit, only handguns can be carried concealed, NOT long guns.

Watch for updates over the next few weeks

You will be told the following things over VA-ALERT and they will also be posted on the VCDL.org website:

* How to get the flags and magnet signs with pro-gun messages for your vehicle
* The exact routes and approximate times that each caravan will pass through key locations
* Links to where you can hear VCDL's invited speakers, as well as follow the progress of the caravans

I'll see you at #Rolling4the2A on January 18, 2021! And for those of you from other states, come join us! Richmond, here we come!

Please use these tags on social media when referring to Lobby Day 2021: #Rolling4the2a #VCDL
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VCDL was told years ago that an application to use the Bell Tower for an event more than six months out would not even be accepted. We have followed that rule, booked six months out, and gotten the 11 am slot for 17 years. This year, when we applied exactly six months out, we were told that the 11 am slot was already booked! In fact, every slot was filled except the 6 am and 6 pm slots.
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Are those published rules? If they are, sue the DGS for violating their own rules.

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And you think you may have it getting worse? And most papers are objective too!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...949f52-2e70-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

Virginia Politics
Bid to hold another massive pro-gun rally in Virginia thwarted when gun-control advocates got permits first
By Gregory S. Schneider November 24, 2020 at 4:29 p.m. EST

RICHMOND — Organizers who staged a massive pro-gun rally at the state Capitol in January say they've been shut out of holding a repeat event next year, and instead plan to jam the city's roadways with a caravan of vehicles from all over Virginia and beyond.

“Games are being played to silence us,” Philip Van Cleave of the Virginia Citizens Defense League told his members in an email Tuesday.

When he called the state Department of General Services to arrange a Jan. 18 permit for a rally on Capitol Square, Van Cleave said he was told the only time slots available were 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. Everything else had been booked by groups advocating for gun control.

“This was a thinly veiled effort to lock us out,” Van Cleave said in an interview. His organization sponsored the gathering that drew thousands of armed gun rights advocates to Richmond on Jan. 20 on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a traditional day of citizen lobbying at the General Assembly.

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View from the credible side.

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https://mailchi.mp/2a2c4875eec8/va-alertvcdl-update-112930

1. Apparently the Department of General Services (DGS) is now lying about its policy on reserving the Bell Tower
After last week's alert on Lobby Day 2021, where I explained the dirty tricks that the Virginia Department of General Services was playing to keep VCDL from having another Lobby Day like the massive one in 2020, I got a call from Brandon Howard. He said that when he booked the Bell Tower last year for a gun-rights event he was told the same thing I was by Seletra Sutherland with DGS: events for the Bell Tower MUST be booked no more than six months in advance.

I then got a call from a reporter who is doing a story on this and he said DGS is denying they ever had any such six-month policy!

So either Seletra and DGS went rogue, telling Brandon and me that we had to comply with a fake policy or, caught with their hand in the cookie jar, the Northam Administration is now lying about the six-month policy. A policy, I am suspicious, might have only applied to gun-rights groups.

Bald-face lies, deception, double-standards, infanticide, and abuse of power is how I, for one, will remember the Northam Administration.

2. Washington Post slants Bell Tower reservation story by omitting key facts
And the "mainstream" media wonders why less and less people turn to them for news. Here is an example of a story keeping important facts from the reader, slanting a story.

The story, based on VCDL's Lobby Day announcement last week, makes no mention of the gun-prohibitionists allowed to submit an application for the Bell Tower more than a year in advance, yet VCDL was told we could only book six months out. By leaving that key part out and that VCDL had booked that same slot for 17 years, the gun-control lobby is made to look oh so smart and clever, instead of being complicit in dirty dealing and being given special privileges and opportunities by the Northam Administration that are denied to others.

And Lori Haas, true to form, makes something underhanded sound so innocent. "In calling state officials to cancel [their 2020 Bell Tower event], Haas said, she simply asked to grab a spot next year instead. Then she told other groups what she had done, and they followed suit."

Notice that Lori was the first to grab a spot, so with a choice of all four slots and always having used an afternoon slot, she suddenly decides to use the 11 am slot. Why she did that was to try to make sure our voice was stifled. She was well aware of the time slot VCDL used. And, wanting to make sure we didn't just grab another slot, she got others to grab all the slots, in complete violation of the rules the DGS had laid out to VCDL.

Note the title, below, which should have been, "Bid to hold another massive pro-gun rally in Virginia thwarted when gun-control advocates got permits first after being allowed to break the rules":

Bid to hold another massive pro-gun rally in Virginia thwarted when gun-control advocates got permits first

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...949f52-2e70-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html.
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Article picked up elsewhere and ammo deals.

Is GCO a DCM affiliate club? See Item 10. Decent ammo there are somewhat reasonable pricing.

Nemo

1. Write up on Lobby Day 2021 in The Truth About Guns
2. Facebook users - let us know if you are going to attend Lobby Day
3. More ideas on where to get ammo

1. Write up on Lobby Day 2021 in The Truth About Guns
Nice write up on Lobby Day:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-vcdl-shifts-gears-for-2021-lobby-day-rally/

2. Facebook users - let us know if you are going to attend Lobby Day
https://fb.me/e/yMWNzQ6b

3. More ideas on where to get ammo
With over 58,000 subscribers, I can count on input coming in to many alert items, including the last article on finding ammunition. Thanks to everyone for the additional suggestions, which I am adding to the list:

http://ammoseek.com (links each deal to the seller's website for that item)

http://gun-deals.com (go to the "Ammo Deals" menu item at the top to see the deals and it links you to the seller's website for that item)

http://vaguntrader.com (ammo section has private sellers, with their locality, in Virginia who have ammunition they want to sell - there are often good deals to be had this way)

https://zqiammunition.com/ Zenith firearms in Nelson county Va, is importing ammo

Quantico Marine Corps Exchange at (703) 432-8857. Only for those will military ID or Veterans Affairs health card

http://ammograb.com

http://wikiarms.com

http://cheapammos.com

http://ammosearch.com

https://estore.thecmp.org/ If you are a VCDL paid member, we are a CMP affiliate club, so you can purchase from the CMP

http://gunbroker.com

http://gunbot.net (this site is not giving me correct information currently)

P.S. Omer B. sent me an email pointing out that a rise in ammo prices does not actually lower demand (people still want ammo), but it lowers the quantity of demand (I want 1,000 rounds, but can only afford 200 rounds).
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