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Summary: Police Officers found to commit crimes at rates 37 times less then the general population, and permit holders found to commit crimes at less than a sixth of the rate as police officers. Therefore, permit holders commit crimes at less than 0.5% of the rate of the general population. Which means the general population is found to commit crimes at 200 times the rate of permit holders.

Report Finds These Gun Owners Are Least Likely Criminals
Concealed-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans, a new report by the Crime Prevention Research Center saysâ€"comparing the permit holders foremost with police.
“Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the U.S. that is anywhere near as law-abiding,†says the report, titled “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States 2016. [3]â€
From 2007 through 2015, permits issued by state and local governments increased by 215 percent, to more than 14 million Americans, according to the data.
The study compared permit holders to police, who committed 703 crimes from 2005 to 2007, and 113 of those were firearm violations.
“With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the U.S. from 2005 to 2007, we find that there were about 103 crimes per hundred thousand officers,†the report reads. “For the U.S. population as a whole, the crime rate was 37 times higherâ€"3,813 per hundred thousand people.â€
The study refers to Texas and Florida, which it says mirror most other states, to compare permit holders with police and the overall population. It used data from 1987 through 2015.
“We find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers,†the report says. “Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10. That is just one-seventh of the rate for police officers.â€
Crime Prevention Research Center President John Lott, a noted economist, said the finding is not surprising considering the rigorous process it takes to get a concealed-carry permit.
“The type of person that would go through the process, one in which you can often lose the license for fairly trivial offenses,†Lott told The Daily Signal in a phone interview. “They are reluctant to use the the guns in a wrong way because they have a lot to lose if they do something wrong.â€
The Daily Signal contacted gun control groups Everytown for Gun Safety and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, but neither responded.
Everytown for Gun Safetyâ€"founded by former New York Mayor Michael Bloombergâ€"has focused on opposing state proposals for allowing concealed carry without permits, touting [4] that it helped defeat permitless-carry proposals in 16 states, including pro-gun states such as Texas, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Montana, and West Virginia.
However, the new report reads that in states without required permits to carry, crime has declined.
“In 2014, the seven states that allowed concealed carry without a permit had much lower rates of murder and violent crime than did the seven jurisdictions with the lowest percentage of permit holders,†the Crime Prevention Research Center report reads. “Indeed, the murder rate was 31 percent lower in the states not requiring permits. The violent crime rate was 28 percent lower. Compared to the rest of the country, the 25 states with the highest rates of permit-holding experienced markedly lower rates of murder and violent crime.â€
In March, a federal judge cited a Brady Center legal brief in upholding the District of Columbia’s law requiring citizens to give a reason for applying for a concealed permit. After that, Brady Center President Dan Gross said [5], “The fact is, despite the repugnant lies and wild west fantasies peddled by the corporate gun lobby, communities with a greater number of loaded, concealed guns are markedly more dangerous, and their citizens’ lives are at greater risk.â€
The Gross comment conflicts with public opinion, which the report attributes to the rise in concealed-carry permits over the course of President Barack Obama’s administration. A Rasmussen poll in June found 68 percent agree they “feel safer in a neighborhood where guns are allowed.â€
In December 2014, the Pew Research Center poll found that a plurality of 57 percent believed owning a gun provided protection from being a victim of a crime, while 38 percent said owning a gun put people’s safety at risk. A 2014 Gallup poll found 63 percent believed gun ownership made them safer, compared to 35 percent in 2000.
This first appeared in The Daily Signal here [6
 

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"The type of person that would go through the process, one in which you can often lose the license for fairly trivial offenses," Lott told The Daily Signal in a phone interview. "They are reluctant to use the the guns in a wrong way because they have a lot to lose if they do something wrong."
Or they are just law abiding citizens to begin with.
 

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The study compared permit holders to police, who committed 703 crimes from 2005 to 2007, and 113 of those were firearm violations.
“With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the U.S. from 2005 to 2007, we find that there were about 103 crimes per hundred thousand officers,†the report reads. “For the U.S. population as a whole, the crime rate was 37 times higherâ€"3,813 per hundred thousand people.â€
I am going to be the first to say that this comparison is not fair. Police officers are overwhelmingly young and male, and it is a fact that young males commit more crimes than the general population. I do not know if they commit 37 times as many crimes as the general population, but it would be a fairer comparison to norm the race, age, and gender in the study.

113 of those were firearm violations.
What does that mean? The officer has hollow point bullets in New Jersey? This description is meaningless.
 

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I am going to be the first to say that this comparison is not fair. Police officers are overwhelmingly young and male, and it is a fact that young males commit more crimes than the general population. I do not know if they commit 37 times as many crimes as the general population, but it would be a fairer comparison to norm the race, age, and gender in the study.

What does that mean? The officer has hollow point bullets in New Jersey? This description is meaningless.
I read the article to say that the general population commits crimes at 37 times the rate that police officers commit crimes. And that concealed carrier citizens commit crimes at less than 1/6 the rate of police officers.
The article doesn't describe that police officers commit crimes at a rate 37 times that of the general population. The article describes that the general population has a crime rate that is 37 times the crime rate of police officers. Which reasonably results in law enforcement to be relatively wary of the general population.
 

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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2814691

It's John Lott.

Nobody in academia or the news media is going to read beyond that name.
Looking at the study, I can't fault the cited sources.
What often is brought up by Lott's critics is "correlation vs causation". For example, have crime rates decreased because more citizens are armed? Or is the crime rate decrease more likely because of the change of demographics resulting in fewer young men in the population? Would crime have decreased even more if there were fewer firearms in the population?
However, if the crime rate increased at the same time the number of licensed carriers increased then I foresee that many gun controllers would quickly conflate that correlation with causation and would produce loud calls for reductions and/or bans to licensed carry - even if the data absolutely described that the crime increase wholly resulted from firearm use by persons without a firearm license.
 

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Lott's research isn't considered because years ago he posted to a forum under an alternate name complimenting his research. That makes everything he says fake, according to one "journalist".
 

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I typed a pretty long paragraph reply, and no words show up. Just a blank post. What the hell?
 

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I typed a pretty long paragraph reply, and no words show up. Just a blank post. What the hell?
Hate it when that happens to me!
Life is so much less frustrating when I type long replies into a blank MS Word document, then copy and paste the reply text into the message reply box.
Makes for lots less "WTH" moments.
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I read the article to say that the general population commits crimes at 37 times the rate that police officers commit crimes. And that concealed carrier citizens commit crimes at less than 1/6 the rate of police officers.
The article doesn't describe that police officers commit crimes at a rate 37 times that of the general population. The article describes that the general population has a crime rate that is 37 times the crime rate of police officers. Which reasonably results in law enforcement to be relatively wary of the general population.
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The estimate for police officers is not remotely accurate, however, since the authors relied on media reports to get the numbers. The authors note this weakness in the data in their report.
This is likely to be an underestimate, since not all police crimes receive media coverage. The authors of the study may also have missed some media reports.
 

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