Refusal to conceal

Discussion in 'General GWL Questions' started by viper32cm, Sep 27, 2007.

  1. viper32cm

    viper32cm New Member

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    Does law enforcement have any authority by which they can force a GFL holder who is open carrying to conceal his or her firearm?

    And if they do, what crime would occur if the GFL holder refused?

    Citation?
     
  2. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

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    No. They have no authority to order an individual to carry one way or the other.
     

  3. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Don't you mean author-i-tay!

    That link is deadly serious.
     
  4. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    I'll bet that an officer hell bent on ordering someone to conceal a firearm would make an arrest for disobeying the lawful order of a police officer or disorderly conduct if they were set on it. Just my :2cents:
     
  5. M249

    M249 New Member

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    Lawful order? They may be officers, but I don't require swearing an oath to follow the lawful orders of the police officers appointed over me.

    Almost every one of my LEO encounters have been overwhelmingly positive and it pisses me off that the asshats make life miserable for the good cops, but I will be damned if I will allow some guy push his personal views on me--LEO or not.

    Yes, I'm willing to accept the ass-whipping and probable court fight that will ensue. Someone has got to stand up for the BoR.
     
  6. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    No way. Not even Cartman.
     
  7. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Remember, this post is hypothetical. That is because none of us who openly carry have been ordered to conceal or arrested for our obstinate refusal on any charge.

    My experience is like M249 said - all encounters positive. So far, all LEOs supportive.

    Others have reported some slightly negative experiences, but not even one arrest.
     
  8. Guest

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    What part of ordering me to conceal is a "Lawful" order?
     
  9. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Is there even such a charge? Obstruction is the closest I can determine . . .
     
  10. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    The part where you find out you're at a PG, inform the officer, and hear that all he wants you to do is conceal, since the PG law is stupid? :)

    I think I'm going to keep on dreaming...
     
  11. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    I never said it was justified. I was insinuating that some rogue officer would make something up a la this guy.
     
  12. Malum Prohibitum

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    O.C.G.A. § 16-10-24. Obstructing or hindering law enforcement officers

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (b) of this Code section, a person who knowingly and willfully obstructs or hinders any law enforcement officer in the lawful discharge of his official duties is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    (b) Whoever knowingly and willfully resists, obstructs, or opposes any law enforcement officer, prison guard, correctional officer, probation supervisor, parole supervisor, or conservation ranger in the lawful discharge of his official duties by offering or doing violence to the person of such officer or legally authorized person is guilty of a felony and shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.
     
  13. GACop

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    I can think of no law that would allow me to tell a person to conceal their firearm. However, I can think of a couple of instances where I might ask you to do it.

    1. As pointed out by Budder, if you accidentally carry somewhere you're not supposed to, I might explain to you that you can't legally carry there and you need to make your gun "disappear."

    2. If I get called to a business that is anti-carry, I might ask the manager about asking you to conceal it instead of forcing you to leave. If they agree to that, I might ask you to conceal it.

    In both of those situations, I would hope you would conceal it but I couldn't make you. Of course, in the first situation, it would definitely be in your best interests to do it.
     
  14. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    If all cops thought the way you do...

    Thanks for the insight!
     
  15. Guest

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    I'm moving to your district.
     
  16. viper32cm

    viper32cm New Member

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    That sounds very fair.

    Ask to conceal or present the option? In certain situations I could see the options have certain advantages and disadvantages that I would like th choose between.
     
  17. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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    Good post.
     
  18. commodore_dude

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    One of my friends is applying to the force in Gwinnett. I'll be sure to pass this along with everything else I've been telling him about dealing with GFL holders :D
     
  19. Axeman

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    +1 :D
     
  20. Gunstar1

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    I would agree and have to say that it would be foolish to not comply... unless you wanted to be arrested or escorted out of the business.