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"An evaluation of state firearms regulations and homicide suicide rates", from a Univ of Pittsburgh group.

Now - 1st thing, while looking at gun laws, they compare "homicide" and "firearm homicide" rates - NOT "murder", "gun related murder", or other gun related crimes, so what exactly they were trying to prove escapes me; they mention however the attempt to study 'the benefits of shall issue laws enacted with the goal of curtailing fiream deaths'... [hmmmmmm...'K....thought they were enacted to give the people back the right to self-security, avoid letting the people be unwilling victims of violent criminals, or...]

BUT ANYWAY, from Table 2:

Rates per 100,000...
Firearm Homicides [with shall issue law]: 5.00
Firearm Homicides [w/o shall issue law] : 5.90
All Homicides [rate with shall issue law] : 7.5
All homicides [rate w/o shall issue law] : 8.99

Summary Point 3::"A "shall issue" law that permits the carrying of a handgun in an unrestricted fashion may be associated with an increase in homicide rates."

WHAT????? But the numbers...right there...BOTH "w/ shall issue" homicide rates were lower...??? Which do you think the reporters will quote is the "finding"of the study?

And from Table 4 Suicides
Rates per 100,00...
Firearm Suicides [with shall issue law]: 9.70
Firearm Suicides [w/o shall issue law] : 10.20
All Suicides [rate with law] : 14.5
All Suicides [rate w/o law] :14.5

Summary point 4: "Little evidence was observed that any of the laws evaluated (they include legal age 21 laws) were associated with a significant reduction in either firearm homicide or firearm suicide rates."

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http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mu ... per-capita

Murder and non-negligent manslaughter table (not these are per 10,000, not per 100,000, so you have to multiply by ten to compare to the normal figures you see).

#1 District of Columbia: 3.597 per 10,000 people
#2 Louisiana: 1.269 per 10,000 people
#3 Maryland: 0.93 per 10,000 people
#4 New Mexico: 0.876 per 10,000 people
#5 Mississippi: 0.777 per 10,000 people
#6 Nevada: 0.712 per 10,000 people
#7 Arizona: 0.697 per 10,000 people
#8 South Carolina: 0.677 per 10,000 people
#9 Georgia: 0.676 per 10,000 people
#10 California: 0.662 per 10,000 people
#11 Michigan: 0.635 per 10,000 people
#12 Arkansas: 0.633 per 10,000 people
#13 North Carolina: 0.613 per 10,000 people
#14 Missouri: 0.61 per 10,000 people
#15 Illinois: 0.608 per 10,000 people
#16 Texas: 0.597 per 10,000 people
#17 Tennessee: 0.589 per 10,000 people
#18 Kentucky: 0.565 per 10,000 people
#19 Alaska: 0.558 per 10,000 people
#20 Alabama: 0.557 per 10,000 people
#21 Florida: 0.532 per 10,000 people
#22 Oklahoma: 0.524 per 10,000 people
#23 Pennsylvania: 0.523 per 10,000 people
#24 Virginia: 0.517 per 10,000 people
#25 Indiana: 0.504 per 10,000 people
#26 New York: 0.462 per 10,000 people
#27 Ohio: 0.451 per 10,000 people
#28 New Jersey: 0.45 per 10,000 people
#29 Kansas: 0.448 per 10,000 people
#30 Colorado: 0.435 per 10,000 people
#31 West Virginia: 0.374 per 10,000 people
#32 Montana: 0.321 per 10,000 people
#33 Washington: 0.302 per 10,000 people
#34 Wisconsin: 0.278 per 10,000 people
#35 Massachusetts: 0.264 per 10,000 people
#36 Connecticut: 0.259 per 10,000 people
#37 Hawaii: 0.259 per 10,000 people
#38 Vermont: 0.257 per 10,000 people
#39 Oregon: 0.247 per 10,000 people
#40 Rhode Island: 0.242 per 10,000 people
#41 South Dakota: 0.232 per 10,000 people
#42 Nebraska: 0.227 per 10,000 people
#43 Minnesota: 0.22 per 10,000 people
#44 Wyoming: 0.216 per 10,000 people
#45 Idaho: 0.21 per 10,000 people
#46 Delaware: 0.202 per 10,000 people
#47 Utah: 0.186 per 10,000 people
#48 Iowa: 0.155 per 10,000 people
#49 North Dakota: 0.141 per 10,000 people
#50 New Hampshire: 0.137 per 10,000 people
#51 Maine: 0.136 per 10,000 people
 

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Brady gives Maryland an A and Wyoming an F.
 

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