quotes that make you go "Hmmmm".

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by Macktee, May 5, 2007.

  1. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

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    Eventhough this part of the forum is for non-2nd amendment items, I couldn't find a better place to post these.

    For more of the same:

    http://www.donrearic.com/quotes.html

    Incidentally, one site I truly enjoy browsing. Good info there on a variety of self-defence subjects.




    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
    encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

    ~Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment."



    "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their words, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."

    ~Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.



    "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

    ~Patrick Henry June 9, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.



    "False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crime."

    ~Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson



    "No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own
    master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion."

    ~James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774-1775].



    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

    ~Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [Boston, 1833].



    "I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers. Our landholders, too, like theirs, retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must
    wander, like theirs, in foreign countries, and be contented with penury, obscurity, exile, and the glory of the nation. This example reads to us the salutary lesson, that private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a econd; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, and to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."

    ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816.
     
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  3. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Mr. Coxe's newspaper articles are perhaps my favorites.

    Funny that he differentiates between the state government and the people. And, oddly, nobody wrote to the paper to correct him on this (oh, no, it is only the state-sponsored militia . . .).

    Sometimes people forget that this state v. federal government stuff is a twentieth century argument, not an eighteenth century argument.
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

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    AND James Madison wrote him a letter quoting it back to him! He let him know that both he and Col. Hamilton were pleased by it and approved of it.

    I am aware of no writing negatively criticizing it.

    "Your arguments appear to me to place the subject to which they relate in its true light . . ."
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

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    This one made it into a GCO brief that is now forever part of the public record in the county in which it was filed.


    http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/2007/05 ... ta-county/
     
  6. gsusnake

    gsusnake Token Liberal Hippie

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    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
     
  7. Malum Prohibitum

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    Although we did not recite it in the Court of Appeals.
     
  8. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    Here are a few of my favorites....

    Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
    Ronald Reagan

    To George Washington, 1796: One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.
    Thomas Jefferson

    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve, rather, to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
    Thomas Jefferson

    There is no arguing with him, for if his pistol misses fire, he knocks you down with the butt end of it.
    Oliver Goldsmith (this one is my signature)

    When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent. When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun. Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
    Tim Freeman

    The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
    Samual Adams, Brewer.....Patriot (Ok, maybe not the same guy.)
     
  9. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    Oh the irony in his last name.
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    It's the same guy.
     
  11. Malum Prohibitum

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    I have carried a revolver; lots of us do, but they are the most innocent things in the world. — MARK TWAIN "Mark Twain Put to the Question" interview, Adelaide South Australian Register, 10/14/1895


    More by him here (including a picture of him posing with a revolver after a burglary of his home):
    http://www.twainquotes.com/Guns.html
     
  12. wsweeks2

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    Has anyone here ever read The Second Amendment Primer by Les Adams?

    I was made aware of the book through my membership with LEAA (Law Enforcement Alliance of America), and it was one of the best reads ever. Many good quotes supporting the pro-gun lobby - from people including Hitler and Ghandi.
     
  13. Malum Prohibitum

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    Ghandi from memory,
    Among the many misdeeds of the British, this one will be remembered as the blackest, that of depriving a whole race of the use of arms.
     
  14. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    You got it.
     
  15. Malum Prohibitum

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    I quoted that out of my head to a hippie lady I saw reading his autobiagraphy and asked her what she thought of it.

    She just glared at me in silence.
     
  16. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

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    I'll bet you were a worse trouble-maker than Ramm way back when you were in school! (Didn't you just hate trimming the wicks on the whale oil lamps?) :neener:
     
  17. Malum Prohibitum

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    The only times an Afro-American who was assaulted got away has been when he had a gun and used it in self-defense.
    • -- Ida B. Wells


    Interesting lady who bought her own pistol to protect her own life, which was in constant danger.
     
  18. CoffeeMate

    CoffeeMate Junior Butt Warmer

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    Re:

    Alice?
     
  19. Malum Prohibitum

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    • --Ida B. Wells, Southern Horrors, Lynch Law in All Its Phases


    What is most interesting about this quote is that the Winchester was the latest and greatest assault rifle of its day. A lever action, it had a tubular magazine that held a lot of rounds and could be fired rapidly by a competent operator with the lever. It was smaller and easier to handle than most rifles of the day.

    Its superior firepower made it the "assault weapon" of the late nineteenth century.

    It would hold off a lynch mob quite well.

    :wink: