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Greetings,

Question for you old timers:
I read a little bit on the web about the never ending discussions concerning the 9mm vs .45ACP. My understanding is that there is not much difference stopping impact wise for HP type. 9mm is faster, .45 is heavier.

If you would have to carry a concealed, would it be a 9mm or a .45?
Did you ever notice a difference impact wise? I read a hunting site and the guy said the .45 killed "better" than the 9mm.

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I choose 9mm and this is my rational:

If the argument is that FMJ .45 is better than FMJ 9mm then a JHP 9mm that expands to larger than the size of a FMJ .45 must be fine.
 

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kestak said:
Greetings,

What happened with the deers and the 9mm?
Nothing. That's my point. Very ineffective.

kestak said:
Did you ever shot deers with .45 JHP too?
No, so in fairness, it could be the same thing. .44 mag works well, though. A .308 works better. A .45-70 works fine, too.
 

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Greetings,

EFMJ 9mm has a 40% mushrooming and has an average 4 1/2 inches penetration.
EFMJ .45ACP has a 35% mushrooming and has an average 7 inches penetration.

I guess you need to hit the deer quite right and not in the shoulder or the front...

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Greetings,

9mm round, by police laboratory standard, that work the best is a 124-grain to 127-grain JHP with a 1250 feet per second. NYPD (30,000 officers carrying 9mm JHP using Speer Gold Dot +P 124-grain).

I am still wondering what it would be for them to carry a .45ACP instead of a 9mm......

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these guys know more of the science of it but I know for me I can hit targets better with a 9mm so FOR ME that is a better carry round.

i have euthanized a deer with a 9 mm and once again it is all about placement. meaning between the eyes and down the neck.

Plus I am more likely to carry my 9mm than I am a .45 so I guess that is another factor for me. Of course I don't have my GFL yet so that may change once I can actually carry and not just carry around the farm

I sorta go along with the carry something so long as you carry...
 

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The only sure ways to put a BG down is to: disrupt the CNS, incapacitate through the complete loss of blood pressure, or breaking their will to continue the fight.

I achieve the first through a shot to the head. But a head sized target is hard to shoot under pressure, while you are both moving, and distance may be a prohibiting factor. So I generally dismiss this as viable.

Breaking their will to fight may take as little as a .22 or as much as a 00 buck to the gut. I dunno what it will take for each person so I cannot rely on that.

Your best bet is to bring their blood pressure to zero by making multiple holes in key areas. Shooting an attacker's pelvis gives the shooter an advantage that is two fold. First, you are going to break their skeletal support system for the body. Break their pelvis and they will fall. Second, there is a high concentration of blood vessels and major arteries in this area that can aid in rapid blood loss.

With my 9mm I have more rounds to inflict damage with and I can do this rapidly and accurately.

I trust my 9mm to get the job done.
 
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