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The law, like Jim Crow laws were, is immoral and unethical. The behavior, also immoral and unethical, is not justified by the existence of law condoning said behavior.But, do cops have to take that chance?
Under existing law, the answer is no.
Sorry, I'm much more fond of "imminent danger of great bodily harm" as the standard.I would not mind, however, a policy saying cops should hold their fire until a dog actually DOES bite, and that that point they can kill the dog by whatever means is most convenient for them and safest for the cop whose arm or leg or balls are in the jaws of the canine.
No, they do not. See previous comment regarding morality and ethics.But absent some new laws, new 4th Amendment court rulings, or new departmental policy adopted by L.E. agencies, this court has it right.
So a toddler, armed with a butter knife is "armed" and you should "shoot at it until it's either incapacitated or in full retreat from the scene".Whether it's a person or an animal-- if it looks like it's going to attack, and it's armed (all dogs are "armed" with dangerous teeth), shoot at it until it's either incapacitated or in full retreat from the scene.
Yes, it is. Cops have absolutely no compulsion to learn how to deal with animals. The simplest solution is to just shoot the damn thing, claim "officer safety" and be done with it.Well, it's not about shooting dogs "for no reason."
Dogs act like dogs do. They protect their property and their masters. They let them know that something is there that doesn't belong there. Our dogs bark at falling leaves and people walking down the street. They aren't a threat to anybody. They're not trained as fighting dogs. Almost every dog I've ever encountered could be fairly well controlled with the right approach.The reason is given: The dogs are behaving like a threat to the officers, which interfere with the cops doing their job of searching the home, arresting the home owner, etc.
Police work comes with chances. Whether from people or animals. If you can't deal with that then find another line of work. Solving every encounter by killing something shouldn't be the default position. It doesn't take a PhD to deal with a dog.Now, I'm sure many dogs are bluffing and would not bike, only growl and bark.
But, do cops have to take that chance?
Under existing law, the answer is no.
Almost every dog bite can be avoided with training but why bother if there's no accountability for just killing the animal? Now a dog that actually does bite is a different issue and even that can be dealt with without killing it unless absolutely necessary.I would not mind, however, a policy saying cops should hold their fire until a dog actually DOES bite, and that that point they can kill the dog by whatever means is most convenient for them and safest for the cop whose arm or leg or balls are in the jaws of the canine.
The court is full of sh*t. As are many courts on many issues. Just because they say it's right or justified or whatever doesn't make it morally or ethically so. Black robes don't impart infallibility to their wearers.But absent some new laws, new 4th Amendment court rulings, or new departmental policy adopted by L.E. agencies, this court has it right.
That's a pretty low bar, isn't it? "Looks like it's going to attack" is far from being objective wouldn't you say? You could slip almost anything past that definition and be absolved.Whether it's a person or an animal-- if it looks like it's going to attack, and it's armed (all dogs are "armed" with dangerous teeth), shoot at it until it's either incapacitated or in full retreat from the scene.
20-30 fatal dog bites per year.Fatal dog attacks in the United States are a small percentage of the relatively common occurrences of dog bites. At least 4.5 - 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs every year, and according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 20 to 30 of these bites result in death.
Sounds good but should count for anyone not just copsMaybe it's time we make a law that says we can act in self-dense of our dogs just like their police dogs are literal human officers in the eyes of the law. Make things even, stop the tyranny.
You begin to shoot my sweet Golden retriever family dog for no reason, hope you are faster and a better shot than me you authoritarian
So tired of all the tyranny loving, boot-lickers in this country.
Stop the tyranny.
This country used to at least believe in freedom and liberty from government at least for white folks.
Time to even the playing field just a tiny bit.
I have never suggested otherwise. That said, I cannot ever recall a story of a non-LEO coming onto another man's secure property and killing his dog in "self-defense". With LEO, however, it has reached epidemic proportions.Sounds good but should count for anyone not just cops
It's pretty damned ridiculous when you have federal as well as state laws imparting basically "human" status to police dogs along with the requisite penalties if you hurt or kill them. Yet our dogs, just as much family to us as cop dogs are to cops, are fair game for immediate neutralization if they impede police activity. Bullsh*t.Unfortunately, government LOVES to establish different standards for themselves than the peasantry. It's almost as if skipping "American History before 1800" in high school is a job requirement for govt employment.