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Are you serious :?:GAGunOwner said:
Problem = Guns or Meds?
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Never a black & white issue.
You go to the doc & explain that you've been sleeping really poorly lately so he give you a rx for some ambien but you have a mediocre doc & a grossly overworked pharmacist & no one tells you that this stuff has some serious side affects on some people. The next thing you know you are talking to little green fairies and riding camels through your living room.
Been there done that. Had no clue the stuff was going to affect me like that. Normally I'm VERY drug tolerant - takes a larger than average dose of most things to affect me as it should. Ambien is not that way for me. That stuff is FUN. :lol:
I was never out of control but I was a bit out of my mind when I was on it (had some to help me sleep when I had Lasek done a couple years ago). If something like that can do to me what it did then.... Well I know there are other MUCH more powerful "mind altering" substances out there. If someone went through something along those lines and was already say clinically paranoid or depressed or had anger management issues then I can see how they could harm another person while under the influence.
If for whatever reason some kind of med was prescribed to you and you were warned that it can affect you in various ways would you move all you weapons out of your home for the entire time you were going to be medicated? I wouldn't.
Please not this is in no way an excuse for guys like Cho. I don't think meds had much to do with his rampage. But I do think a situation could exist where meds are the cause.
You go to the doc & explain that you've been sleeping really poorly lately so he give you a rx for some ambien but you have a mediocre doc & a grossly overworked pharmacist & no one tells you that this stuff has some serious side affects on some people. The next thing you know you are talking to little green fairies and riding camels through your living room.
Been there done that. Had no clue the stuff was going to affect me like that. Normally I'm VERY drug tolerant - takes a larger than average dose of most things to affect me as it should. Ambien is not that way for me. That stuff is FUN. :lol:
I was never out of control but I was a bit out of my mind when I was on it (had some to help me sleep when I had Lasek done a couple years ago). If something like that can do to me what it did then.... Well I know there are other MUCH more powerful "mind altering" substances out there. If someone went through something along those lines and was already say clinically paranoid or depressed or had anger management issues then I can see how they could harm another person while under the influence.
If for whatever reason some kind of med was prescribed to you and you were warned that it can affect you in various ways would you move all you weapons out of your home for the entire time you were going to be medicated? I wouldn't.
Please not this is in no way an excuse for guys like Cho. I don't think meds had much to do with his rampage. But I do think a situation could exist where meds are the cause.
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Is that directed towards me?GeorgiaGlocker said:
If so, am I serious about what?
Note: As a rule of thumb, I'm always lying... but especially if I put a pinocchi-nose at the end of a statement... Or if it is something outrageous like having pillows and blankets for my Glocks... so, if you are talking about the "drugs and .22s" comment, then "NO, I am not serious."
On the other hand, I stand behind the "being responsible for drugs and guns" statement. I was not lying about that.
As mentioned, some drugs particularly some of the anti-psychotic drugs, do cause MAJOR problems for some people. Enough so that some people become suicidal. So, I guess maybe it's possible to become homocidal as well, but I don't know enough to even hazard an opinion.
Having said that, in no way do I think Cho's actions can be blamed on his drugs, but...
I'm willing to wager my left gonad some lawyer will sue the drug maker on behalf of one or more of the victims. I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet. VT is also on their radar for not locking down campus sooner. Looks like lots of billable hours for lots of attorneys just over the horizon...!
So. Anybody wanna bet?
Having said that, in no way do I think Cho's actions can be blamed on his drugs, but...
I'm willing to wager my left gonad some lawyer will sue the drug maker on behalf of one or more of the victims. I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet. VT is also on their radar for not locking down campus sooner. Looks like lots of billable hours for lots of attorneys just over the horizon...!
So. Anybody wanna bet?
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Be careful Macktee, that's how I became a eunuch... I lost three bets in a row.Macktee said:
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Are you serious :?:GAGunOwner said:
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No Sir.ahlongslide said:
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I would guess that VT is looking at 32 lawsuits coming their way.Macktee said:
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Here goes. Yes, I'm serious. Yes, I'm serious. Yes, I'm serious. :lol:
Sometimes reactions to strong perscription drugs can and do make people go out of their mind. I'm sorry that you don't want to accept this, but it is scientific fact. However, I don't believe this to have anything to do with Cho.
You may also go apeshit on perscription drugs and end up getting guns out that you have put away. Unlikely, but it can happen.
Sometimes reactions to strong perscription drugs can and do make people go out of their mind. I'm sorry that you don't want to accept this, but it is scientific fact. However, I don't believe this to have anything to do with Cho.
I agree with this for the most part but sometimes perscription drugs catch up with you. You can take simple perscribed medication (should you not carry whenever the doctor gives you something, I do not know) and then have a wild reaction and have access to guns.
You may also go apeshit on perscription drugs and end up getting guns out that you have put away. Unlikely, but it can happen.
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Would this apply if you were given a perscripton drug under a doctor's care?
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Y'know, I've been on lithium and Lexapro daily for 3 years, and xanax and ambien when I need them, and I've been a gun owner for the past 6 months, and NEVER, not ONE SINGLE TIME, have I gone off my rocker and shot anyone.
In fact, the only time anyone would have to worry about me harming anyone with a weapon would be if he or she gave me a damn good (defensable) reason to do so.
My psychiatrist and my therapist both know about my gun ownership and both told me they thought it was a good idea.
In the 30 months I was on meds BEFORE owning a gun I didn't kill anyone. The meds didn't walk out of their childproof bottles and go kill someone. In the 6 months I've owned the Taurus it's never left its holster to go kill someone.
Pardon my language here, but the media needs to collectively get a f*cking life.
In fact, the only time anyone would have to worry about me harming anyone with a weapon would be if he or she gave me a damn good (defensable) reason to do so.
My psychiatrist and my therapist both know about my gun ownership and both told me they thought it was a good idea.
In the 30 months I was on meds BEFORE owning a gun I didn't kill anyone. The meds didn't walk out of their childproof bottles and go kill someone. In the 6 months I've owned the Taurus it's never left its holster to go kill someone.
Pardon my language here, but the media needs to collectively get a f*cking life.
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That is why pharmacist place those little labels on some drugs that say "do not drive or operate equipment or heavy machinery" when taking this medication. Why? because of the side effects. :roll:GAGunOwner said:
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I guess you could Ramm but I don't think you would get too far with it.Rammstein said:Can I use that excusable ignorance line for the speed limit?
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