So, what do you think they meant by it? It says "Church" and State, not "Religion" and State.madamimadam said:
Kind like the 2nd Amendment huh? :cantsay:
So, what do you think they meant by it? It says "Church" and State, not "Religion" and State.madamimadam said:28-13-2 (2) (A)
"There is an almighty, everlasting, creator God, the God of the Bible, the only God there is"
true or not, i dont think this is what the founding fathers meant by "endowed by their Creator"
AMEN .99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT.736Lawton said:you will not find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Those words come from letters from Jefferson to some ministers.
So you think almost all people know it?vanguard said:AMEN .99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT.736Lawton said:you will not find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Those words come from letters from Jefferson to some ministers.
Um, I think he might have just hit the space key by accident before the period.budder said:So you think almost all people know it?vanguard said:AMEN .99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT.736Lawton said:you will not find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Those words come from letters from Jefferson to some ministers.
:screwy: :screwy: :screwy:budder said:So you think almost all people know it?vanguard said:AMEN .99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT.736Lawton said:you will not find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Those words come from letters from Jefferson to some ministers.
Read that very slowly, and think about what it literally means. I think you will discover that it might not mean what you think it means, or what you have been taught it means. It will be very difficult to read it with no preconceptions about what it means, given that most people have been so thoroughly brainwashed on this subject that they cannot even see the words, but read it like you just arrived here from another country and know nothing about our laws, history, or constitution. Read it with a clear head, and then see if it reads differently to you.madamimadam said:The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
The Establishment Clause provides that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Amdt. 1. As a textual matter, this Clause probably prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion. But see P. Hamburger, Separation of Church and State 106, n. 40 (2002) (citing sources). Perhaps more importantly, the Clause made clear that Congress could not interfere with state establishments, notwithstanding any argument that could be made based on Congress power under the Necessary and Proper Clause. See A. Amar, The Bill of Rights 36?39 (1998).
Nothing in the text of the Clause suggests that it reaches any further. The Establishment Clause does not purport to protect individual rights. By contrast, the Free Exercise Clause plainly protects individuals against congressional interference with the right to exercise their religion, and the remaining Clauses within the First Amendment expressly disable Congress from abridging [particular] freedom. (Emphasis added.) This textual analysis is consistent with the prevailing view that the Constitution left religion to the States. See, e.g., 2 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States §1873 (5th ed. 1891); see also Amar, The Bill of Rights, at 32?42; id., at 246?257. History also supports this understanding: At the founding, at least six States had established religions, see McConnell, The Origins and Historical Understanding of Free Exercise of Religion, 103 Harv. L. Rev. 1409, 1437 (1990). Nor has this federalism point escaped the notice of Members of this Court. See, e.g., Zelman, supra, at 677?680 (THOMAS, J., concurring); Lee, supra, at 641 (SCALIA, J., dissenting).
Quite simply, the Establishment Clause is best understood as a federalism provision - it protects state establishments from federal interference but does not protect any individual right.
Interesting question, since the quote I took from Thomas was just his introduction to that question. Here is some further of his writing.bdee said:If they still existed, wouldn't the 14th amendment come into play?
2 things that stick out in that sentence are "RESPECTING' and "an establishment of religion".Malum Prohibitum said:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
I'm afraid that shows preference, or extra respect, for an established religion over other beliefs. On top of that, its the state establishing respect for one religion (or in this case, groups of similar sects but that fall under the Holy Bible). Tyranny of the majority, theocratic in nature, and why many good people who would be conservative will never be Republican."There is an almighty, everlasting, creator God, the God of the Bible, the only God there is"
The statement is just fine at this point."There is an almighty, everlasting, creator God,
That crossed the line.the God of the Bible, the only God there is"
So, a lot of people do know it, then? 99.9901% to be precise.vanguard said:AMEN .99% OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT.736Lawton said:you will not find the words "separation of church and state" anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Those words come from letters from Jefferson to some ministers.
This was my thought, You beat me to it Countrygun.CountryGun said:The other definition of RESPECTING is REGARDING, and I believe that was the intent of the founders. The sentence reads as it should, when one uses that definition.
What say you of faiths honoring more than one god, like the Hindu? How would they be represented in this bill? The people are no less citizens, and they worship in temples in most cities of any size.