Police Disgraceful Statements

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Malum Prohibitum, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    From VCDL Alert:

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    2. Top cops who disgraced themselves / VT Panel's bias against guns
    - a report by VCDL EM Dave Vann
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    TOP COPS WHO DISGRACED THEMSELVES
    by Dave Vann Executive Member, VCDL

    At the Fourth Public Meeting of Governor Kaine's Independent Virginia Tech Incident Review Panel, in Charlottesville, Va. on July 18, 2007, four of Virginia's top law enforcement officers disgraced themselves, their badge and the uniform they wear.

    Chief Don Challis, William and Mary Police Department; Chief Michael Gibson, University of Virginia Police Department; Chief Robert Dillard, University of Richmond Police Department and Chief Mike Yost, Williamsburg Police Department all stood before the Review Panel and stated that students and faculty should never have the means to defend themselves. They rationalized this by saying that students traditionally forget where they put their books so it's only logical that they would misplace a gun. Further, they stated that students drink to excess and guns and alcohol don't mix.

    I caught up with Chief Yost in the hallway after he spoke. After everyone finished glad handing him I introduced myself as a former LEO and then said that he should be ashamed of himself. He turned the brightest shade of red I've ever seen and stammered "why"?

    Here is the back and forth we had:

    Me: You just said you would rather have 31 law abiding people murdered then have them be able to defend themselves.

    Yost: That's not what I said.

    Me: Yes it is. Did you not just say, in there, that students and faculty who have concealed handgun permits should not be allowed to carry guns on campus?

    Yost: Yes.

    Me: Then you would rather they be murdered without a chance to save their own lives. What gives YOU the right to take away the means to self defense from ANYONE?

    Yost: (stammering, stuttering)

    Me: You are a disgrace to the badge you wear. You're supposed to protect lives and instead you want to ensure that students and faculty are defenseless.

    Yost: I'm trying to have a logical discussion with you about this.

    Me: Logical? What is logical about 31 people being murdered and not being able to defend themselves? We're not talking about children.
    We are talking about adults, 21 and older. Some over 40 and YOU say they shouldn't be able to defend themselves against someone like Cho.


    Yost: Well.......

    Me: Yes or no? Should students be able to have the means to defend themselves against someone who is trying to murder them on campus?

    Yost: Given the strict confines of what you asked, NO. There are too many guns on the street.

    Me: Too many guns? Too many for whom? You should be ashamed.
    You're a disgrace.


    At that point one of the other Chiefs pulled him away and said they were late for a meeting. Fortunately this was not a he said/he said.
    I had a witness standing right beside me the entire time (VCDL Board member and attorney, Jim Kadison).

    This panel is made up of at least four anti-gun people that I know of right off hand. It was loaded with anti-gun "expert witnesses" and was geared to find just the outcome that Gov. Kaine wanted it to.
    They could have saved all the money they spent traveling and pronouncing how independent they were and just taken an hour after they were appointed and reached the same conclusions that they'll reach in a month or two.
     
  2. asbrand

    asbrand Active Member

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    It is things like this that make me Anti-LEO.

    Not all the time...but still... :evil:
     

  3. Sharky

    Sharky New Member

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    Its to bad that the "chiefs of police" are usually the face of the street cop. Not many street cops would take his opinion. Some would I am sure, but most cops I may have spoken to both in state and out of state would share his opinion.

    Its ashame that these officials get elected into the chief position and forget everything they once believed.

    Thats the sad part of LEO. Its the ones trying to have a political aganda later that screw up the rest of the public perception of LEO.

    Just my opinion.
     
  4. Wiley

    Wiley New Member

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    I watched the first 'hearing' when I was up in VA. I knew then it was nothing more the police/politician rubber stamp gun control. Just like the police chiefs here in GA.
     
  5. legacy38

    legacy38 Active Member

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    Police chiefs are highly political animals, and they are the source point for the media. Typically the media isn't going to be interviewing "Joe the beat cop" on matters, and typically an "average" officer is going to try to stay as far away from the media as possible for many obvious reasons.

    There are chiefs out there that will tell it like it really is and that obtained their positions through skill and hard work. The media just avoids quoting those chiefs. Which department head do you think the media is more likely to seek a quote from on a gun issue: Richard Pennington or SheriffOconee?
     
  6. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Speaking of which, is SheriffOconee ok?
     
  7. legacy38

    legacy38 Active Member

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    As far as I know he's the same as usual. I haven't crossed paths with him in quite a while. He's quite a hoot in person.
     
  8. Sharky

    Sharky New Member

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    yeah man I think everybody misses SheriffOconee!!!
     
  9. legacy38

    legacy38 Active Member

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    He definitely keeps the attention of those taking a class from him.
     
  10. merlock

    merlock New Member

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