Pittsburgh shooting

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Adam5, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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  2. Mrs_Esterhouse

    Mrs_Esterhouse Swollen Member

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    No doubt with a newly purchased adopted pistol that followed you home. :righton:
     

  3. Mrs_Esterhouse

    Mrs_Esterhouse Swollen Member

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    Something I've wanted to discuss for a long time with a firearms owning Jewish person is why do Israelis culturally support CC and firearms rights but American Jews culturally shun firearms and seek to restrict them? These are two large Jewish populations which have polar opposite views on the subject.
     
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  4. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    I have no idea. Some of my family members and friends are adamantly against guns and carrying. A growing number of us are saying “Never Again”.
     
  5. a_springfield

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    How is the left going to spin this against trump? He is the most pro Israel Preston years.
     
  6. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    So he was both a NAZI sympathizer AND a "gun nut" it seems. He had several guns, which he accessorized and customized like a gun expert would. He used a shot timer when practicing at the range.
    He didn't shoot himself in the head, or drop his weapons snd run away, when cops showed up. Most other mass-killers do; they only want helpless victims, not a gunfight.

    This is bad for us.
    And again, the killer used an AR-15.
     
  7. Wegahe

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    doesn't matter what he used. If the AR15 wasn't available it would have been something else. A lever action rifle in .357 magnum/.38 special would have worked just as well in the hands of an experienced shooter.
     
  8. a_springfield

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    Lucas McCain was pretty good with a lever gun.
     
  9. NTA

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    One article says he was a gun fanatic, having bought 6 guns in the past 20 years.
    That's a small fraction of my rate of purchase / trade (from trackable - and other - sources).

    Fortunately we do have registration, or something equivalent, so that these things can be quickly determined.
     
  10. moe mensale

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    Not Jewish, just my own viewpoint. American Jews want to maintain a "victimhood" status because it gives them moral authority and power they would otherwise not have. Somewhat comparable with the Black Lives Matter movement. Israelis, on the other hand, are willing to get their moral authority and power through judicious use of firearms among other things.
     
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  11. moe mensale

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    I know it's MSNBC but why keep giving Hoggboy a national platform on which to espouse his stupidity for all to see?

    What? #-o
    https://twitter.com/KasieDC/status/1056710366829441024/video/1
     
  12. phantoms

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    Why Jews Hate Guns

    1. A desire for utopian moral purity
    2. A disproportional incidence of hoplophobia
    3. A quest for power through victimization of peers
    4. A utopian delusion that if guns would just “go away,”
    crime would end and the world would be a peaceful safe place
    5. Self hatred and a wish to be helpless, acting out guilt-based
    behavioral problems that develop in childhood
    6. The Ostrich Syndrome
    7. Garden-variety hypocrisy
    8. Adulterated religion -- Jews In Name Only (JINOs)
    9. Feel-good sophistry
    10. Abject fear that yields irrational behavior
     
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  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    I think the reasons so many Jews hate guns are because:

    Number one--they are highly educated, and the higher educational systems of both America and Europe or thoroughly steeped in liberalism and progressivism socialism and communism.

    Number two-- they are urban. Most Jews in America congregate in cities. Cities have less opportunity for people to own guns for sporting purposes, and it is commonly viewed that guns have less of a role for self protection when there are police all over the place. many people think that in cities you rely on the government to protect you (the civilized way). But only out in the wilderness, in the boondocks, is it legitimate for you to have arms to defend yourself (the law of the jungle).

    Number three-- in America in the last hundred years, gun ownership has been seen as a pet issue for Christian conservatives. Many Jews want to oppose those groups on social and political grounds, and taking the opposite position of them on matters such as gun control is a way of taking a slap at your enemies.
    In some ways, since gun control limits the freedom of Jews to protect themselves, this is an example of "cutting off your nose to spite your face". But emotions often run high on religious and cultural matters, and Christian conservatives have provoked the Jews to legitimately incur their and enmity and distrust , due to many incidents going back generations.
     
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    And yet they NEVER stop to see how that is working out...
     
  15. StarJack

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    Around 10 years ago I had a brief conversation with Aaron Zelman re: Georgia Carry, he mentioned #'s 5 and 8. #8 came up because he correctly assumed Gov Deal was a RINO. He was a passionate man and wracked by the fact that so many Jews were blind to the need for gun ownership.
     
  16. Malum Prohibitum

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    Police got there really quickly.
     
  17. moe mensale

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    They did. But it wasn't quick enough unfortunately. Here's that fallacy of keeping guns out of "churches."
     
  18. moe mensale

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