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I don't understand. I posted a link to the actual affidavit and even quoted long portions of it. Did everybody here not read it? We'd rather speculated about what some news story or another said or retracted?

The affidavit addresses all of this.
 

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Question is why did they retract one report on it and not the other one? They were similar and why one gone but not the other. If wrong, they both should be withdrawn. If right they both should still be up.

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Question is why did they retract one report on it and not the other one? They were similar and why one gone but not the other. If wrong, they both should be withdrawn. If right they both should still be up.

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Fox News is reporting some confusion about the officers opening the door instead of Pelosi, based on the federal indictment, which is absolute BS. Fox News is just stirring up controversy. I quoted that section of the federal affidavit on the last page, as well as provided a link for all of you to read it for yourselves. It says nothing about the police opening the door.

Just rubbish.

Shaban explained that a federal indictment indicates "two officers" opened the door, but the San Francisco District Attorney’s office had previously stated, "Mr. Pelosi opened the door with his left hand."​

Bigad Shaban's statement is simply not true. That ends the controversy. A not true statement should be retracted, shouldn't it?
 

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So Paul Pelosi opened the door for the police. He had one hand on the hammer that was being held by DePape. DePape was also gripping Pelosi's forearm with his other hand.

What does that tell you? He is not in immediate danger, as the Fox News story is implying?

As soon as the officers ordered them to drop the hammer, DePape smacked Pelosi in the head with it, fracturing his skull. So much for listening to the police and letting go of the hammer. This is all not only witnessed by the responding officers but caught on body cameras.

DePape has confessed to using the hammer to smash the glass on the back door to enter the home at night and go to Pelosi's bedroom, where he woke up Paul Pelosi to demand to see Nancy Pelosi. He admits what he was planning to do to Nancy Pelosi.

It is a pretty straightforward story, and the attempts to turn it into something else, especially based on the federal affidavit that you can read for yourself rather than passing on this trashy yellow journalism, is pathetic.
 

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So why has the local NBC report not been pulled?

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The national report was pulled because it has details that have just turned out not to be true.

The local report - no idea why it isn't pulled, but, again, you can read the affidavit for yourself. You don't need Fox News or NBC to tell you anything about what is contained in the affidavit. You already have it.
 

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Some Bodycam footage.

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What do you mean some body cam footage? Where is it?



This article is a hodge hodge of crap. I posted the federal affidavit pages ago which clearly states who opened the door, and it was Paul Pelosi. It also states he had his other hand on the hammer that DePape was holding. All of this handwringing by posters in this thread is just weird. DePape admits to bringing the hammer to shatter Nancy Pelosi's kneecaps. He then used it to fracture Paul Pelosi's skull in full view of two police officers and on camera.

You gullible folks will believe anything some internet site throws up on your screen, well, that is, if the politics are aligned with how you want them.
 

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I post the information. Its up to you to give it the credibility and validity you deem appropriate.

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Zerohedge is a generally credibile website.

Their title about bodycam footage.

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Just my 2 cents' worth: The "affidavit" is something made by an FBI agent, giving her summary, her paraphrase, including the conclusions and inferences she's drawn, PURPORTEDLY from talking with other FBI agents and other government agents. Maybe from talking with witnesses in person, but it could be that she just read the written reports and summarized them in her affidavit. (Hearsay certainly is allowed and is commonly accepted by judges when the issue is just "probable cause" not "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.")

So, then:

1-- Like all hearsay, the "witness statements" and "confession" of the accused criminal could have been spun, twisted, edited, or otherwise tampered with between the time they were made and the time they were finalized and cited in this affidavit. This could be intentional-- the FBI's attempt to "spin" the narrative.

2-- Same as above, but simply due to error and not malice. Every time a statement is transcribed, repeated, retyped, it can have errors creeping in.
 

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I’ll post this. Good old granddad Paul was having a tryst with a similar liberal minded man.

grandma Nancy is more than embarrassed.
 

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I’ll post this. Good old granddad Paul was having a tryst with a similar liberal minded man.

grandma Nancy is more than embarrassed.
How do you explain the man breaking into the house with a hammer and then fracturing Paul Pelosi's skull with multiple police officers watching and recorded on video?

How do you explain his full confession with respect to his real purpose in breaking into the house, which was not to commit acts of sodomy on an octogenarian?

Where do you get facts to support "liberal minded?" What are these facts? Are there any facts that undermine your conclusion that DePape is "liberal minded?" What are the facts that tend to undermine that conclusion? Then please weigh the facts tending to support and undermine your conclusion together and let us know how each of them influences your conclusion that DePape is "liberal minded," and how much weight you gave to each such fact during your analysis.
 

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How do you explain the man breaking into the house with a hammer and then fracturing Paul Pelosi's skull with multiple police officers watching and recorded on video?

How do you explain his full confession with respect to his real purpose in breaking into the house, which was not to commit acts of sodomy on an octogenarian?

Where do you get facts to support "liberal minded?" What are these facts? Are there any facts that undermine your conclusion that DePape is "liberal minded?" What are the facts that tend to undermine that conclusion? Then please weigh the facts tending to support and undermine your conclusion together and let us know how each of them influences your conclusion that DePape is "liberal minded," and how much weight you gave to each such fact during your analysis.
I'm not certain, but there's a good chance you're arguing with someone who still thinks Trump won in 2020.
 
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