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Good Lord... I just read this article and I .... I.... I'm speechless...

Pc John Lee, a crime reduction officer for Tandridge, said: “We are constantly advising home owners to protect their property and the contents of their shed or garage
What can they possibly be advising... you can't use mesh in the windows because the bad guys
might be injured as they attempt to break the law... you can't own a gun, 'cause that's just bad...
I would guess that the property owner is supposed to put fluffy pillows below the windows in case
the bad guys fall as they crawl through the broken window... Wouldn't want them to fall on the floor
and get a boo boo... perhaps safety glass so that they don't get cut ? :screwy:

Seriously... have they completely lost their minds ?
 

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This really does make me glad I left the UK, but also makes me feel shame that these are my people, as it were.
 

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Good for them! The people of the UK voted the retards into office...let them suffer under it. Eventually they will get tired of it and take back their country. (or not but who really cares? I kind of like having the UK and Australia to point to as the poster boys for the stupidity of the anti-gun socialist liberal agenda)
 

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mathar1 said:
Good for them! The people of the UK voted the retards into office...let them suffer under it. Eventually they will get tired of it and take back their country. (or not but who really cares? I kind of like having the UK and Australia to point to as the poster boys for the stupidity of the anti-gun socialist liberal agenda)
I feel the same way. But on the other hand, if they do take back their country and have firearm freedom again, their dramatic drop in crime should shut the mouths of the gun grabbers here. Well, maybe not.
 

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Phil1979 said:
on the other hand, if they do take back their country and have firearm freedom again
There is as much chance of that happening as the USA getting full auto and suppressors unrestricted and for about the same reasons - gutless politicians.
 

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What is a person do when a majority of your fellow citizens in some particular country have become unprincipled idiots with no respect for your rights and your security, and who not only willingly expose their lives to the dangers of criminals running rampant in the streets but who will glady strip you of YOUR rights to defend yourself?

If that's the kind of country the clear majority wants to live in, I say it's time to move. But where to go? Some third-world wasteland where there is no rule of law, no court system, and the only power over you is some bigger bully with a bigger stick?

I want to identify such a nation now, because all of Britain's former colonies are headed down the same path.
 

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Doesn't this happen already here in the states? I mean, I think I've read in this forum that you can not set traps for potential home invaders because of liability or something.
 

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A wire screen is nothing like a man-trap !

A screen that could possibly cut some intruder is more like barbed wire or razor wire. I've heard of areas where that sort of wire is banned, but only because it looks ugly or it announces to everyone "this is a high-crime neighborhood! Don't buy a home here. Don't send your kids to our school district!"

What's illegal about booby-traps for intruders is that they are machines devoid of any ability to assess and evaluate a situation and make a reasoned choice to use deadly force. There has to be a human exercising judgment and leaving open the possibility of discretion that controls the machine that may injure or kill an intruder. (Such devices could also kill the paramedic or firefighter who is breaking into your home to rescue you, or rescue your dog from your burning home, which caught fire while you were away but neighbors heard your dog trapped in the living room...)
 

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gunsmoker said:
A wire screen is nothing like a man-trap !

A screen that could possibly cut some intruder is more like barbed wire or razor wire. I've heard of areas where that sort of wire is banned, but only because it looks ugly or it announces to everyone "this is a high-crime neighborhood! Don't buy a home here. Don't send your kids to our school district!"

What's illegal about booby-traps for intruders is that they are machines devoid of any ability to assess and evaluate a situation and make a reasoned choice to use deadly force. There has to be a human exercising judgment and leaving open the possibility of discretion that controls the machine that may injure or kill an intruder. (Such devices could also kill the paramedic or firefighter who is breaking into your home to rescue you, or rescue your dog from your burning home, which caught fire while you were away but neighbors heard your dog trapped in the living room...)
Good explanation. Thanks!
 

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WRONG!!!

I don't have the time to look it up but:
There was a man who had his home broken into and the burglar (admitted it) got cut real bad crawling through the window he broke out to enter. The man was sued and his house was put up for auction to pay the burglar's winning lawsuit. The neighbors gathered around and wouldn't let anyone but them bid on the house. The burglar got something like $100 and they deeded the house back to the original owner. This is all from memory so I may be fuzzy on some of the facts but that's the gist of the story. It happened between 10-20 years ago in the upper Midwest. Yep, in the good ol' U.S. of A.
 

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Mark 5019:

Link #1 above just says a lawsuit was filed. Not won. Did the intruder who cut himself breaking-in ever collect?

Link #2 appears to have a major factual dispute, and highly unusal facts. Was the teenager on the school roof really stealing something? Or just trespassing in order to aim an outdoor floodlight in a different direction to aid in night-time basketball?

And why did the school put glass skylights on the roof and then paint them black so that nobody could see them? This is an extremely dangerous condition that is not just harmful to intruders-- it is harmful to anybody who ever goes up there, even repairmen and contractors and school employees.

Link #3 doesn't mention any intruders who got hurt on a fence or barbed wire.
One case DID mention a burglar who was electrocuted by a trap deliberately set to electrocute intruders. Okay, so dangerous traps are bad (weapons with no human being attending to them). That doesn't mean that a property owner is responsible for an intruder cutting himself when climbing a fence, smashing through a glass door or window, or chopping a hole through the roof of a business and falling to his death on the tile floor in the store.
 

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mountainman444 said:
WRONG!!!

I don't have the time to look it up but:
There was a man who had his home broken into and the burglar (admitted it) got cut real bad crawling through the window he broke out to enter. The man was sued and his house was put up for auction to pay the burglar's winning lawsuit. The neighbors gathered around and wouldn't let anyone but them bid on the house. The burglar got something like $100 and they deeded the house back to the original owner. This is all from memory so I may be fuzzy on some of the facts but that's the gist of the story. It happened between 10-20 years ago in the upper Midwest. Yep, in the good ol' U.S. of A.
I remember hearing similar stories as well.
 

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At what point does a locked door become an "undue inconvenience" to a would-be burglar? I mean he might hurt his foot or shoulder or something trying to break in, or slip with a crowbar and scratch himself. It is certainly an "intentional barrier" the burglar will need to overcome, so maybe the victim should get a bill for the "expenses"? :screwy:

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