[jdh31313]

December 29, Washington Post â€" (National) Terrorist watch list: One tip now enough to put name in database, officials say. Officials said they have made it easier to add individuals’ names to a terrorist watch list and improved the government’s ability to thwart an attack in the United States.

Senior counterterrorism officials said they have altered their criteria so that a single-source tip, as long as it is deemed credible...

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01584.html

 

[Puffyfish]

Guess I better not have the beef and broccoli for lunch the day I visit the capital again.
I can kill in an elevator in seconds with a quaff to follow you out and set off the methane sensors in the AC vents
Dogs even fears me sometimes.

Yes, the poor things blind and has a distended face now from exposure.
I'm doomed.

 

[EJR914]

Guess I better not have the beef and broccoli for lunch the day I visit the capital again.
I can kill in an elevator in seconds with a quaff to follow you out and set off the methane sensors in the AC vents
Dogs even fears me sometimes. Yes, the poor things blind and has a distended face now from exposure.
I'm doomed.

That's not a TIP, though. That's literally an ACT of terrorism. That's worse than laser-guided 5,000 lbs JDAM. We're talking about a WMF. A Weapon of Mass Flatulation.

I would know because I've got the same problem. :shattered:

To speak seriously on the story, though. None of this suprises me. Remember when I posted the story about the libtard gun grabbers wanting to make everyone on "the list" banned from the "keep and bear" part of the Constitution. That means no buying, selling, owning, carrying a firearm in anyway. It would be just like you were a FELON, but you would have been convicted of nothing!

People say that we're crazy to say that what we're dealing with is just like an Authoritarian government, but goodness, it starts to look a heck of a lot like a POLICE STATE more and more in America.

One call and your name is on the terror watch list forever?!?!?! Goodness! Things are getting ridiculous.

So no proof, not research, no undercover work, NOTHING?!?!?! You're just put directly on "the list" with no rhyme or reason other than someone wanted you on it?

Do you guys know any anti-gun people, someone that doesn't agree with you carrying a firearm? Someone that has a grudge against you? That person wants to mess with you in the worse way possible he/she can think of?

How about calling in your name to the "Terror Watch List?" Tell them that they noticed suspicious behavior and that you once said that you didn't like Obama as president? How about you didn't like George Bush as president, either?

I tell you what, may as well just go ahead and throw you in the GULAG right now! :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

Patriots, we are heading for hard times here. The road is about to get rocky.

 

[groats]

I already have a long list of people known to have done damage to the US. But there's no point in sending it in, because I just know that it wouldn't be deemed "credible" despite there being abundant proof.

I believe it's the same list they use when they do a roll-call vote in Congress...

 

[EJR914]

I already have a long list of people known to have done damage to the US. But there's no point in sending it in, because I just know that it wouldn't be deemed "credible" despite there being abundant proof.

I believe it's the same list they use when they do a roll-call vote in Congress...

I've been saying this for a long time. The [s:js84s2c1]criminals[/s:js84s2c1] politicians in public office, as well as the "non-elected positions," the appointed ones, have done far more damage to the US and its citizens, than any terrorists on our watch list.

Not only damage to us, but damage to the citizens and countries that we invade with our unconstitutional wars. How many citizens, "non-combatants," have we killed in other countries?

Before people go try and blaming the TROOPS for this, please remember what a soldier is. The soldier does not make the CHOICE of what wars he fights in, he is sent by politicians, who make it look like we have a good reason to go war with an entire country. Especially, a country EVERYONE knows that we will never win. The A'stan war makes Vietnam look like child's play. Also, to add to that, CITIZENS dies in war, the innocents die in war, it is WAR, that's what WAR is. Civilians get killed, there is no way around it, that' what happens. Especially, when its impossible to tell who your enemy IS. They sleep with the civilians, they are family of the innocents, they are the father's and sons of innocents. Therefore, the insurgents put their own family and friends in the home, and their village in danger, simply because the chose to hide behind them and blend into the background.

A war like A'stan can bankrupt a country. Add that with Iraq, and you're talking about ridiculous amounts of money.

We should have never gone into either one of them, not to mention they were all unconstitutional.

Heck, Iran and Saudi Arabia probably funds more terrorist in Pakistan, Iraq, and A'stan, ect then any other country on the planet. Yep, weren't most of 9/11 hi-jackers Saudis? Saudi is using OUR own money that we pay to them for OIL, to come back here and kill people and destroy our economy.

Plus, there is no changing the people in the some countries in MIDDLE EAST. Some of them HATE America, their children are taught, in school, from a very early age to HATE America. America is all that is wrong with the rest of the world. When you are completely indoctrinated into that HATE, is it any surprise that people agree to commit Jihad, and go kill American soldiers wherever they can find them, and also agree to come to America, live in our society, and either support terrorism from America, secretly, or commit jihad yourself? This is a religious war to them, not a "crime" as Obama, Bush, and the current and past DOJs would have you believe. This is a religious war. Its not going to stop, we're not going to just "talk" our way out of this, or reason or logic with these people. There is no reasoning with these religious nutjobs, especially, the schools that indoctrinate their children to HATE all Americans and to kill us where you find us.

Nobody has the guts to do it anymore, but if you're really going to "go all the way" and kill a lot of civilians by having a War of Attrition in some of these Middle East countries, why not just use the largest non-nuclear bombs we have, (MOAB, I believe) and just turn every place that we find one terrorist or insurgent into a parking lot? Literally turn the whole place into a parking lot. And if you see a family go hiding in caves due to the bombing, well heck they must be terrorist, too, send a bunker buster or fuel-air bomb in here and level the cave, after all they had to be terrorist because they were hiding from the bombing right? /sarcasm.

People always talk crap about our decision to drop the A-bomb on Japan. Well you know what? HOW MANY AMERICAN'S SONS LIVES WERE SAVED BECAUSE WE DROPPED THE A-BOMB? Probably more than we can count. Those Japanese were not going to give up, in fact, they were some tough SOBs, and I think we would have had to kill every single on of them to make them give up, at the cost of a ridiculous number of American lives.

How many of our boys have we lost in Iraq and A'stan? How many more boys will die if we go to war with Iran as well?

Its time for America to become Isolationist, like the Founder's envisioned for our country, and if someone attacks us, get some good intel from the CIA, if the intel looks good, there is one terrorist in a town, and he is being supported by family, friends, other terrorist there, try to gather as much communications and intel you can from the target, so you can hit whoever is communicating or funding him next, and then drop the biggest thing darn non-nuclear bomb (MOAB) on the whole town. Destroy all the infrastructure, do not go back in and build it back. Just enjoy the parking lot.

Send a message. You mess with the US, we kill you mother, we kill your father, we kill your children, we kill your children's friends, we kill your family's friends, we kill everyone you've ever done business with, we kill anyone that you've even met, we kill everyone you did anything that could even be mildly construed at terrorist communication or support, and we basically kill everyone that terrorist has ever met, or anyone that has ever given that terrorist any sort of support in any way. That is called sending a message.

Don't believe our military and the CIA couldn't do that? Ha, we're the most powerful, most well-funded, military and intelligence community in the world. We can do it.

Send a message. Soon enough, there won't be one single person indoctrinating the children full of hate, because there won't be anyone to do the indoctrinating. The hate will literally disappear , because they will all be dead, and anyone that supported terrorism will be dead as well.

What is the OBJECT of a WAR? It is to WIN! There is no WINNING with A'stan, only losing. And the American people and US, the taxpayers, and hard-working Americans are going to lose fairly soon as well. The debt is unbelievable on a ~10 year War of Attrition that is we cannot win, because our government will not allow our military to do what needs to be done to WIN!

Since we will not do what is necessary to win, we need to bring all of our boys home, and place them on the border with Mexico, because we, as Americans NEED protection from the drug cartels coming over the border, putting bounties on American Law Enforcement's head. You know, the foreign Nationals of another country putting PRICES on the head of OUR law enforcement. If you don't call that a WAR, I don't know what is. Mexican Nationals and other South American Nationals have declared WAR on the US and its governments and representatives, and nobody is acknowledging it or giving two craps about it in our government.

We are AT WAR in this country, and we ARE being invaded by foreign Nationals.

Give our military guys something to do, let them protect our border with Mexico. Heck, all they would need to do is just literally sit right on the border with MEXICO. They would have that little problem cleaned up pretty soon. Every time they see someone cross with a weapon in the hand or on their body, shot them, they are invading our country with a FIREARM. If we stopped having a Welfare State here in America, I would say just let the non-violent ones, with no criminal record here, that just want to work, come on in, help them find a job, help them become American citizens, and become productive people. Just stop the Welfare State first. Military could help with that.

If you're worried about the military being down there, we're being INVADED, enough said. And if it worries you so much, then heck, make them all LAW ENFORCEMENT, let them go "weapons free" and heck, give all our military boys a nice pay increase. After all, they deserve it. I wouldn't mind them taking that out of my pay check every week, but first the need to stop all the money for WELFARE and redistribution of wealth that comes out of my pay check every two weeks.

Then you can give them all a nice pay increase. I'll gladly let you take THAT out of my pay check. At least its going to a good cause.

Alright, Rant Off. :righton:

 

[bdee]

Perhaps the thing to do is overload the system. Call in and tell them about anybody and everybody. Call in local sherrif's deputies for hoarding ammo in their houses. Call in friends for flying the Gasden flag. Make the lists unworkable.

 

[gunsmoker]

I can see where one high-quality "tip" from an informant with a good reputation for telling the truth and a clear basis of having the knowledge he or she claims to have can be enough to put somebody on a Do Not Fly or other terrorist watch list.

HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLES:

1-- College roommate of suspect calls FBI, gives full contact info on himself and agrees to be available for an in-person interview. Local police come out to take a report and verify this tipster's identity and that he's serious. He is. He says his roommate, a Pakistani native who is on a student visa here, just left town to meet some other jihadists for a training exercise in the Utah desert. Roomate gives detailed statement to cops outlining suspect's political and religious views that holy war against Americans is necessary and a sneak attack by Muslim college students like him and his friends is the best way to accomplish jihad in 2011. Roommate shows cops supporting literature and printed e-mails of his roommate.

2-- Similar to above, but the caller is the landlord who rented an apartment to the suspect. The landlord generally knew suspect's reputation in the community for being a militant Islamist advocating Jihad, but then landlord did a routine "cleanliness and health" inspection of the apartment and found photos of potential terrorist targets with arrows drawn on them highligting the location of security checkpoints, notes about the distances to the local police station, distance to the nearest military barracks, etc.

Yeah, IF the tip is strong enough from a good source, I'd say it's proper to put the suspect on the list immediately.

 

[CoffeeMate]

"...we will frame you while you sleep..."

 

[CoffeeMate]

We're being "played", people.

 

[JiG]

I can see where one high-quality "tip" from an informant with a good reputation for telling the truth.

Katheryn Johnson?

 

[EJR914]

I can see where one high-quality "tip" from an informant with a good reputation for telling the truth and a clear basis of having the knowledge he or she claims to have can be enough to put somebody on a Do Not Fly or other terrorist watch list....

Yeah, IF the tip is strong enough from a good source, I'd say it's proper to put the suspect on the list immediately.

:lol:

 

[vooduchikn]

We're being "played", people.

Ahmen.

Wake up folks!

 

[Savvy Jack]

It wont be long and everyone will be on the watch list then it will be a moot point :screwy:

 

[EJR914]

It wont be long and everyone will be on the watch list then it will be a moot point :screwy:

Maybe you just haven't studied WWII history a lot, but check out the history of the JUDENRAT. Then get back at me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenrat

Sort of reminds me of the NRA in some ways, and also, reminds me of some of my hardcore Republican friends, that agree with the infringements on our liberties and freedoms (TSA porno scanners and patdowns, The Patriot Act, War on Drugs, GWL license, prohibited places where we cannot carry, or things we cannot do while carrying, Federal Firearms Laws, bureaucratic restrictive firearm policies) that the National and State governments put on us.

Every time I hear someone says how great the carrying licensing system is here in Georgia, or I hear one of the "pro-gun" Elmer Fudds talk about that the 2nd amendment is just for hunting, or we just shouldn't be allowed to do this while carrying a gun, or you shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun into a church or whatever location, or that Open Carry shouldn't be allowed in Georgia, or that you just shouldn't open carry, one thing pops up in my head.... Judenrat.

You may not understand it yet, but these Judenrats will turn in the true Patriots to the OpFor for better rations or money. These will be your friends, it will be people that know you, it will even be people that you trust very well.

Go check out the Bielski brothers as well, in Belorussia, at the time of the war. The police officers killed or aided the SS in finding and killing people that they had known their whole life, people that were their friends, because the "it was my job" and "they pay me to find people" and "I had to do it for the paycheck."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielski_partisans

Judenrats where even worse than those police officers that killed the Bielski's parents because just for the simple fact that they were Jewish.

We'll simply get on the "DHS list" because we don't like some of the governments policies, and we actually use the word "Constitution." I mean how dare we actually say that the Constitution should be followed, ya know?

Well when the SHTF, your friends, people that you know, people that you thought were true Patriots will turn you in because "it was their job" or because they want money or better rations, or just try to curry favor with their new masters (lick the hand or boot if you will) in hopes that they will not be gathered up, or Swatted. Judenrats.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Divide and conquer.

No need to infilitrate -- just turn people quisling. Here we have someone who is living a quiet, unremarkable life. Give them an opportunity to "elevate" themself through manufactured betrayal. Suddenly they feel they are better than they were before -- they are doing something "important" -- there are public officials who sanction and encourage them and tell them they are now awesome.

The person's "stock in trade" becomes allegations against others. As long as they can continue to find something / anything to point to as "worthy of suspicion", they can stay on this bandwagon which provides their ego so much enjoyment.

Pay them for doing so, reward them monetarily for the information, make their livelihood dependent upon their ability to generate malicious gossip, and we now have an industry who's primary function is turning otherwise innocent people into enemies of the State.



None of this addresses the problems at hand, but oh what a flurry of "activity" it generates.

We are being played.

 

[EJR914]

Divide and conquer.

No need to infilitrate -- just turn people quisling. Here we have someone who is living a quiet, unremarkable life. Give them an opportunity to "elevate" themself through manufactured betrayal. Suddenly they feel they are better than they were before -- they are doing something "important" -- there are public officials who sanction and encourage them and tell them they are now awesome.

The person's "stock in trade" becomes allegations against others. As long as they can continue to find something / anything to point to as "worthy of suspicion", they can stay on this bandwagon which provides their ego so much enjoyment.

Pay them fo doing so, reward them monetarily for the information, make their livelihood dependent upon their ability to generate malicious gossip, and we now have an industry who's primary function is turning otherwise innocent people into enemies of the State.

None of this addresses the problems at hand, but oh what a flurry of "activity" it generates.

We are being played.

That was so right on, it just sent chills up my spine literally. *shiver* That's why I laughed when our resident Judenrat started talking about "credible informants." See how that worked out for one of the alphabet soup agencies. You may already know which one I'm talking about.

High level informants giving bad information to this agency JUST because they love the "pat on the back" and the feeling of superiority that it gives them, and they are also, at the same time, licking the hands (or boot) if you will. There are some weird and twisted people that get off on that kind of stuff.

Remember the little Tattle Tail that always tattled on everyone in school? Got everyone in trouble, and SOMETIMES even lied, when they didn't have anything else to tattle on? All to gain curry and favor with the teacher... be the teacher's pet... well this is THAT person all grown up now!

They exist, because I have seen them, and heard them with my own eyes and ears. They are out there.

Beware of a person like this out there. Run from them, do not talk to them, do not look at them, do not let them even know your name, do not let them know ONE single thing about you! Stay as far away from people like this as you can. Do not let them get close to you.

Great post, CM. Chilling, but great post.