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Oregon's Measure 114 barely squeaked by thanks to tons of out of state anti-gun money. There'll be federal challenges filed. Some Oregon sheriffs have publicly stated they won't enforce the magazine capacity limits.
 

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“The first American presence of such firearms occurred, appropriately in Oregon, with a firearm that included a twenty-two-round magazine when Meriwether Lewis carried a Girandoni air rifle on his famous expedition with William Clark and the Corps of Discovery in 1804-06,” his filing read.​
The attorney general’s office is confident that the restrictions on high-capacity chargers will withstand the new standard set by the US Supreme Court in the New York case.​
“High-capacity magazines are also analogous to dangerous weapons that have historically been restricted without infringing on the fundamental right of self-defense,” Marshall wrote.​
He noted that 12 other states and the District of Columbia have enacted similar laws restricting high-capacity chargers.​
Furthermore, the office argues, there is no historical precedent to compare with the current epidemic of gun violence.​
Mass shootings by a single individual that resulted in 10 or more deaths were unknown in US history until 1949 and rare until 2007, according to the attorney general’s office filing.​
“Every mass shooting since 2004 that resulted in 14 or more deaths involved high-capacity magazines. The use of high-capacity magazines to perpetrate mass shootings is unprecedented in the founding or rebuilding eras,” Marshall wrote. The social concern for the massacres perpetrated by individual shooters has no precedents in 1791 or in 1868”.​
 

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Seems he shoots himself in the foot, several times with that high capacity magazine rifle.

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The judge heard arguments on whether to put a temporary hold on the measure. She said she’ll need to review case law first and promised a decision by Monday or Tuesday at the latest.​
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During the hearing the judge asked what evidence exists to show that more than 10 rounds are needed for self-defense firearms. And when she asked for evidence showing how often multiple rounds are used by civilians in self-defense, none was produced.​




Takes effect Thursday unless she halts it.
 

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More info on the issue.

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While there has been “relentless news about mass shootings and slaughter of innocents,” [Judge] Raschio said the Gun Owners of America had shown that putting Measure 114 on hold will maintain the “status quo” until the court can determine in a more in-depth hearing for a preliminary injunction whether the measure meets constitutional muster under Article 1, Sec. 27 of the Oregon Constitution.​
That article says, “The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.]”​
The county judge found that the public interest weighs against the measure’s implementation at this time, and set a hearing for Dec. 13 on a preliminary injunction.​
 

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Raschio found that guns with more than 10 rounds existed when the Oregon Constitution was drafted in 1857 and when the constitution was adopted in 1859. He also found that magazines are not separate or distinct from “arms,” which are protected by the Oregon Constitution.
 

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[Federal Judge] Immergut was unconvinced. In making her decision, she wrote the plaintiffs failed to prove magazines holding over 10 rounds are “arms” protected by the Second Amendment or that they are necessary for self defense. On the contrary, she wrote the evidence presented shows large capacity magazines are rarely used by civilians for self defense and often used by law enforcement and the military.​
“The evidentiary record also shows that large-capacity magazines are disproportionately used in crimes involving mass shootings,” Immergut wrote.​
 

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[Federal Judge] Immergut was unconvinced. In making her decision, she wrote the plaintiffs failed to prove magazines holding over 10 rounds are “arms” protected by the Second Amendment or that they are necessary for self defense. On the contrary, she wrote the evidence presented shows large capacity magazines are rarely used by civilians for self defense and often used by law enforcement and the military.​
“The evidentiary record also shows that large-capacity magazines are disproportionately used in crimes involving mass shootings,” Immergut wrote.​
Er. Guess who has 12* rounds in their mag well, 12* rounds in their pocket, and is feeling fine right now.

*Don’t criticize 5,750 grains of +P. It’s the same as 50 rounds of 115 gr 9mm.
 

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Oregon Supremes upheld state court injunction stopping entire law. Federal court stopped the one part on permit to purchase.

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Judge Immergut hasn't read or doesn't care about Bruen. She is still using pretend scrutiny. I can't wait until the hammer drops from the SC with a "Did I stutter", written in proper legalese of course.
 

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[Federal Judge] Immergut was unconvinced. In making her decision, she wrote the plaintiffs failed to prove magazines holding over 10 rounds are “arms” protected by the Second Amendment or that they are necessary for self defense. On the contrary, she wrote the evidence presented shows large capacity magazines are rarely used by civilians for self defense and often used by law enforcement and the military.​
“The evidentiary record also shows that large-capacity magazines are disproportionately used in crimes involving mass shootings,” Immergut wrote.​

Rarely used for self defense?

Who carries pistols with 10 rounds or less in 2022?
 

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Who carries pistols with 10 rounds or less in 2022?
A lot of us do. Guess we will have to go with higher capacity mags to support the cause and counter Immergut .
 

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Who carries pistols with 10 rounds or less in 2022?
Don't forget revolver believers.

Closest to 10 I have seen in a wheelgun is 9 and thats a .22. Revolvers generally have 5 to 7. With most carrying 6.

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