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No amnesty!!! If someone is here ilegally, they should be sent back to their own country, and not allowed back in here, period, the end. There are legal channels for people that want to move here from other counrties. If they dont want to follow those laws, I have have to question what other laws they will ignore. Come here legally, learn the language, become a productive, tax paying member of our society, or stay the **** out !!!
 

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This was a silly poll. Why did you bother with more than one option?
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1) build a wall 20' high & 10' wide from the Gulf to the Pacific
2) once done, have a huge publicity campaign (in spanish) advising that all illegals have 2 months to liquidate any & all assets as best they can & cross the border. No questions asked by US officials.
3) anyone attempting to illegally cross the wall.... shoot first ask questions later. Sorry amigo.
4) After that 2 month date any in the US illegally has all possessions confiscated and is placed in jail until such time as they can be relocated to the other side of the nearest border.
5) implement a new expedited work visa plan so that anyone who wants to work in the US can quickly & easily apply for the visa & work here. BUT, you don't get to vote, you pay taxes, you must report your location at all times, you can not own property, you get limited healthcare (part of what your taxes will go towards), your children born in the US are NOT US citizens (no more anchor babies) and you can only remain in the US for a limited time on this visa (though you can quickly reapply for a renewal). You can be working towards permanent citizenship while on the visa. If you have any serious criminal record you get can't get the visa. If you break any serious laws in the US while on a visa it's revoked and you can NEVER get another or apply for US citizenship.
6) English is to become the official US language. You MUST learn or be working towards learning English if you are here on the migrant worker visa. All official US business is conducted in English.
7) Kalifornia is detached from the North American continent via a chain of explosions planted in the various fault lines & allowed to float out to sea. We kick the state out of the Union and send all the Libtards to live there free of guns & with all the lack of common sense they want.

If you like that you should see the rest of my presidential platform!! :eek:
 

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your children born in the US are NOT US citizens (no more anchor babies)
For a group of people who advocate strictly following the Constitution, it seems many of us forget that the 14th amendment states that anyone born here is a citizen. :wink:
 

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Bound to be strong opinions on this one. However, taking the emotions out of it, one fact remains:

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO LEAVE!

That being said, let's find a way to get them to pay something to be here and to pay taxes, social security, etc. Regardless of which side of the argument you're on, today they get all of the benefits of citizenship without any of the financial burdens.

Running, ducking & covering! :shock: :roll:
 

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larryg2 said:
Bound to be strong opinions on this one. However, taking the emotions out of it, one fact remains:

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO LEAVE!

That being said, let's find a way to get them to pay something to be here and to pay taxes, social security, etc. Regardless of which side of the argument you're on, today they get all of the benefits of citizenship without any of the financial burdens.

Running, ducking & covering! :shock: :roll:[/quote

i agree 100%.
we need to figure out a way for them to pay taxes, ss.etc,etc......
 

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SILLY!!!!

Tinkerhell said:
This was a silly poll. Why did you bother with more than one option?
:lol:

1) build a wall 20' high & 10' wide from the Gulf to the Pacific
2) once done, have a huge publicity campaign (in spanish) advising that all illegals have 2 months to liquidate any & all assets as best they can & cross the border. No questions asked by US officials.
3) anyone attempting to illegally cross the wall.... shoot first ask questions later. Sorry amigo.
4) After that 2 month date any in the US illegally has all possessions confiscated and is placed in jail until such time as they can be relocated to the other side of the nearest border.
5) implement a new expedited work visa plan so that anyone who wants to work in the US can quickly & easily apply for the visa & work here. BUT, you don't get to vote, you pay taxes, you must report your location at all times, you can not own property, you get limited healthcare (part of what your taxes will go towards), your children born in the US are NOT US citizens (no more anchor babies) and you can only remain in the US for a limited time on this visa (though you can quickly reapply for a renewal). You can be working towards permanent citizenship while on the visa. If you have any serious criminal record you get can't get the visa. If you break any serious laws in the US while on a visa it's revoked and you can NEVER get another or apply for US citizenship.
6) English is to become the official US language. You MUST learn or be working towards learning English if you are here on the migrant worker visa. All official US business is conducted in English.
7) Kalifornia is detached from the North American continent via a chain of explosions planted in the various fault lines & allowed to float out to sea. We kick the state out of the Union and send all the Libtards to live there free of guns & with all the lack of common sense they want.

If you like that you should see the rest of my presidential platform!! :eek:
Tinker,
It's all relative.
This is a way to show the silliness from our government leaders and to let everyone have a little fun.
Besides you might find someone on this site who might be in favor, NOT.......
Just have some fun with it. Ok, Tinker for President!!!!!!!!!!

:woohoo: :rotfl:
 

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One of the first things we need to do is get rid of the baby anchor law. We are the only country that has that stupid law....cross boarder drop kid and you are here to stay :roll:
 

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One of the first things we need to do is get rid of the baby anchor law. We are the only country that has that stupid law....cross boarder drop kid and you are here to stay :roll:
By the anchor baby law you mean the 14th Amendment?

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 

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Note, the 14th Amendment is also why so many illegals have the "rights" they do. Because it applies due process of law to all persons living here, not simply citizens.
 

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Ohh Hail no!!! "here congrats, lets reward you for breaking the law and give you a free pass ahead of all other legal immigrants who have been for years for entrance into this country of ours"....

I don't think so!!!!!! :banghead:
 

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larryg2 said:
Bound to be strong opinions on this one. However, taking the emotions out of it, one fact remains:

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO LEAVE!

That being said, let's find a way to get them to pay something to be here and to pay taxes, social security, etc. Regardless of which side of the argument you're on, today they get all of the benefits of citizenship without any of the financial burdens.

Running, ducking & covering! :shock: :roll:
Next step: Fix the tax and SS system. :D
 

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Should I be devil's advocate again on this subject? :) oh...why not....

What is wrong with this? Most, if not all, major concerns are being addressed. They have to pay into the system. They have to wait in line behind people who went the legal way to get a green card. They have to leave the country for one year. They have to learn English.
 

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I don't support Illegal invaders....Build the damn fence secure and secure the boarder.

Now i realize we can just pick them up and boot them out...well not yet....but if someone is arrested and their citizen ship is no legal take them the other side of the wall and let them out...

It make me F'n sick that these illegals are getting almost free if not free health care and medicine while my grandparents have to pay $700 a month in supplemental insurance to cover what medicare does, and F'n illegals get the sh!t for almost free....What the hell is wrong with this country Illegals get better care than out Veterans, senior citizens etc....
 

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May 17, 2007, 7:17PM
Senators reach agreement on immigration reform

By MICHELLE MITTELSTADT
Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
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WASHINGTON â€" Capping months of back-room talks, a bipartisan group of senators reached agreement today on a deal that would benefit millions of illegal immigrants, reorder the U.S. legal immigration system and toughen border security.

The deal, struck by about 10 Democrats and Republicans working with the Bush administration, heads to the Senate floor next week.

While negotiators expressed optimism that it would garner widespread support from both Democrats and Republicans, immigrant-rights groups, labor unions, business and other interests have expressed concern about different aspects of the sprawling legislation. And conservatives are sure to be hammered with complaints from their base that any deal legalizing illegal immigrants is tantamount to amnesty.

In the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., made no commitments to embrace the Senate deal, which differs in many ways from the leading bill the House intends to take up in July.

The Senate deal would:

• Grant the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants legal status with an indefinitely renewable "Z" visa, and allow many to eventually apply for citizenship. They would have to pay $5,000 in fines to get the visa, and those seeking legal permanent residence would have to return to their home country to apply.

• Establish a temporary worker program admitting 400,000 workers yearly for a two-year visa after which they world be required to return home for a year and then re-apply. The vast majority of the temporary workers would not be eligible to stay in the U.S. permanently.

• Add 6,000 more Border Patrol agents, establish an employment verification system mandatory for employers to check the status of new hires, and toughen interior enforcement.

• Tip the legal immigration system more towards rewarding high-skilled, educated immigrants, though it also would continue to allow U.S. residents to bring in relatives, though on a more limited basis.

Though the negotiators expressed confidence that their deal would be widely approved, there were signs that the agreement isn't universally admired.

Three of the negotiators â€" Texas Republicans Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn and New Jersey Democrat Robert Menendez â€" were not on stage when the deal was announced.

Speaking before the deal was struck, Hutchison said her support was contingent on reading the entire bill, which has yet to be fully written. "It's going to be very important to me to have the written word to see exactly what is in the bill," she said.

Cornyn, who battled Democrats to stiffen enforcement, voiced displeasure today with the broad outlines of the deal.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4812997.html

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The reality is, they're already here. More are coming every day. I don't have a solution.

As long as our president and congress aren't willing to act, to do something, it's not gonna change.

Some people don't want them to leave (note statement above about president and congress) and those people are blocking true reform efforts. Until those people change, nothing else will change.

I received this e-mail today. It won't change anything either, but it makes interesting reading...

Subject: Cheap Tomatoes???? Not Hardly!! PLEASE READ & PASS THIS ON

THIS IS A DISGRACE!
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As the political system gears up for elections, we need to be
>careful about what we are reading! I just found this very interesting -
>from a teacher in California.
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>Subject: Cheap Tomatoes!
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>Cheap Tomatoes
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>This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
>Independent.
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>From a California school teacher - - -"As you listen to the news about
>the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things
>that you should be aware of:
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>I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a
>large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1
>school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and
>income levels.
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>Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
>Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting,
>are also Title 1 schools.
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>Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When
>I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but
>a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make
>a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and
>trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT
>WORK)
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>I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
>moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The
>school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant
>girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the
>inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family
>watch their kids.
>(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
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>I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
>funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
>anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new
>computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month
>later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who
>obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in
>America.
>(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
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>I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
>teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here
>in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the
>female teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that
>the teachers were in tears.
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>Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is
>it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to
>demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
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>To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
>contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
>housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in
>the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
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>Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs,
>more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding,
>new diseases etc., etc, etc. F or me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
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>We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster
>because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their
>right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?
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>There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute
>to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should
>encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and
>legal way.
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>It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world
>culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting
>pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to
>assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and
>worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do
>anything about it.
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>If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
>everyone you know.
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>CHEAP LABOR?
>Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
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>Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage
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>Consumers don't want expensive produce
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>Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs
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>But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a
>myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."
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>Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
>takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
>dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he
>files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up
>to $3,200 free.
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>He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
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>He qualifies for food stamps.
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>He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
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>His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
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>He requires bilingual teachers and books.
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>He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
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>If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.
>Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is
>at taxpayer's expense.
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>He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
>insurance.
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>Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed
>material.
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>He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
>benefits.
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>Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
>paying their bills and his.
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>The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and
>trash clean-up.
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>Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
 

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luke0927 said:
I don't support Illegal invaders....Build the damn fence secure and secure the boarder.

Now i realize we can just pick them up and boot them out...well not yet....but if someone is arrested and their citizen ship is no legal take them the other side of the wall and let them out...

It make me F'n sick that these illegals are getting almost free if not free health care and medicine while my grandparents have to pay $700 a month in supplemental insurance to cover what medicare does, and F'n illegals get the sh!t for almost free....What the hell is wrong with this country Illegals get better care than out Veterans, senior citizens etc....
I second that...Did ya know that most of our local Hospitals are on the brink of financial hardship because they HAVE to pay for the illegals healthcare... :banghead:
 

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I have a friend who has to pay increased insurance rates because he filed a claim for an accident that totalled his new car. Why did he file a claim? The a**hole that hit him was DUI, illegal, no license and no insurance. Now my friends rates went up 20%!!! We all pay higher prices for insurance due to illegal, uninsured drivers.
 

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Let me start by saying this: My wife is not from this country. We are *still* in the process of going through all the headaches, paperwork, money, and redtape to finish it up legally.

It is a pain in the arse.

That said...I am STILL against this amnesty stuff. Kick 'em out. Shoot 'em if they try to sneak in again. Period.

I would like it to be a bit *easier* for those of us working within the system to do so, however.
 
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