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Summary: The Buckeye Firearms Association sends word of another news outlet, the Sandusky Register, which has published a list of concealed handgun permit owners in Erie, Huron, Ottawa, Sandusky and Seneca counties in Ohio.

From Michelle Malkin's blog: http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/26/th ... un-owners/

Question: Do we have a law in Georgia that prevents this? A confidentiality clause, for instance? Just curious.
 

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Re: Ohio Newspaper Publishes CC Permit Holder's Names, Age,

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Summary: The Buckeye Firearms Association sends word of another news outlet, the Sandusky Register, which has published a list of concealed handgun permit owners in Erie, Huron, Ottawa, Sandusky and Seneca counties in Ohio.

From Michelle Malkin's blog: http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/26/th ... un-owners/

Question: Do we have a law in Georgia that prevents this? A confidentiality clause, for instance? Just curious.
Yes, we do. Though I can't remember where in the law it is right this minute.
 

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I forgot to add it to the list of laws, which is why I could not find it right off hand.

50-18-72 (which is in ARTICLE 4. INSPECTION OF PUBLIC RECORDS)

(d) This article shall not be applicable to any application submitted to or any permanent records maintained by a judge of the probate court pursuant to Code Section 16-11-129, relating to licenses to carry pistols or revolvers, or pursuant to any other requirement for maintaining records relative to the possession of firearms. This subsection shall not preclude law enforcement agencies from obtaining records relating to licensing and possession of firearms as provided by law.
 

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Perfect. Just what I was hoping for and I appreciate the info.

First post, too!
 

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Tinkerhell said:
What's up with this happening so much?
Anti-gun conspiracy?
I vote for irresponsible behavior under the guise of 1st. amendment freedoms.
I would agree, seems local papers pay no attention to those in another state that get in trouble over it.

Each time the papers seems to say something like: We did this because the records are public, we had no idea we would receive this kind of reaction.
Even though this is the 4th or 5th time a paper in the US received that "reaction" in the last 2 years.
 

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And he is DEFENDING his actions in this editorial:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article ... 678645.txt

They should be proud to be exercising their second amendment rights, and I believe most of them aren’t as enraged with the Register’s decision to exercise its first amendment rights in publishing the information as is the NRA, which demands secrecy.
 

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Residents who have obtained concealed carry licenses should be proud they have been granted that privilege and absolutely unashamed that they have the courage it takes.

They also should be unashamed that information should be part of the public record.

And the NRA should just back off.
Do I detect a hint of patronage?
 

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The paper also calls it a public service. Yeah, for burglars. Or for some stalker who has been wondering whether that female has a gun and now knows she does not.

Some boss might fire somebody on the list.
 

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The same thing needs to be done again, get the column author's info - home address, tel#, email and post it in the paper and online all over the place & then slam the guy with calls/letters/email and .... personal visits. :evil:

And do the same for the editor as well. Maybe the paper's owner. All that stuff can be had through various legal avenues. I'm willing to guess that their opinion will change just as quick as the last guy that had this done to him.
 

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Below, you can read his weak attempt at justification, as well as my in-line rebuttals that are bolded for emphasis
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/3899/83/

Including, perhaps, the name, age, and county of residence of every battered woman who had made the decision to arm herself in order to protect her family against a stalker, providing a "shopping list" for every criminal who is on the lookout for a household where firearms might be stolen, and satisfying the anti-gun posture of an irresponsible editor who perhaps hoped to embarrass private citizens before their employers and landlords.
 

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http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3823.html

:shock:

We do learn that he owns 322 Deepwood Lane in Amherst, Ohio. However, a quick search reveals that Mesh*** Elsw*** has the phone service there, and she claims to be a renter of Mr. Westerhold and states that Matt does not live there. Turning to the County Recorder, we see that Mr. Westerhold’s mortgage with Union National is a residential mortgage, not a commercial/rental property mortgage. If we were vindictive, we could contact the bank and let them know that Mr. Westerhold is now allegedly renting the property out to a renter, since that is potentially a default under the residential mortgage allowing the bank to foreclose the mortgage.

We also easily learn that Mr. Westerhold was cited into Oberlin Municipal Court for failure to wear a seatbelt and given a warning for speeding. We see he drives a 2003 Blue Chevy Tracker license plate DA*3816. A bad guy now has a car to look for around the Register’s parking lot if he wants to find him.

The real goldmine for the person who intends to cause harm to Mr. Westerhold is his Dissolution. With little effort we find his date of birth is 11/**/1958 and his social security number is 2**-56-6***. We also see his prior employment history and yearly salary. Having his full name, date of birth, social security number, prior employer, prior salary and current employer and a guess at his salary, combined with knowing from the Dissolution that he has/had an Auto Loan with XYZ bank and knowing his current mortgage amount and details, it would be child’s play for a bad guy to open up credit accounts and commit various other acts of identity theft against him.

More seriously, for the hardcore bad guy, these public records (per the Dissolution settlement) show that Matt has a pre-teen child who resides with his ex-wife. Reviewing the child support worksheet and the financial affidavits, we see that no tuition or school payments are listed, so it is a relatively high percentage bet that the child is a public school student. We see from the worksheet that mom has custody, so the child almost certainly is the residential parent for school purposes. From further public records, we see the marriage license from Mr. Westerhold’s ex-wife a year after the dissolution, and we already knew her date of birth, social security number and recent employer from the Dissolution. With very little effort we find ex-wife’s residence and now are relatively sure of which public school his pre-teen child goes to simply by checking the auditor’s maps for this residence for school districts. A check of the school website will show us the bus schedule for that particular school and that street or address, so we will almost certainly, with little effort, know which bus the child rides and what time it picks up/drops off. Further, most public libraries keep copies of the local school yearbooks in the reference section. Even if that is not the case, it is going to be fairly easy to get the yearbook and probably get a picture of the child for identification purposes.
 

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Unfortunately the firewall at work prevents me from accessing OCCW, but from what you posted, someone did a bang-up job getting that information. Perhaps putting that into an e-mail to the editor and author of the article will change some opinions.

At least there is one Georgia law regarding licensing that I like.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3823.html

:shock:

We do learn that he owns 322 Deepwood Lane in Amherst, Ohio. However, a quick search reveals that Mesh*** Elsw*** has the phone service there, and she claims to be a renter of Mr. Westerhold and states that Matt does not live there. Turning to the County Recorder, we see that Mr. Westerhold’s mortgage with Union National is a residential mortgage, not a commercial/rental property mortgage. If we were vindictive, we could contact the bank and let them know that Mr. Westerhold is now allegedly renting the property out to a renter, since that is potentially a default under the residential mortgage allowing the bank to foreclose the mortgage.

We also easily learn that Mr. Westerhold was cited into Oberlin Municipal Court for failure to wear a seatbelt and given a warning for speeding. We see he drives a 2003 Blue Chevy Tracker license plate DA*3816. A bad guy now has a car to look for around the Register’s parking lot if he wants to find him.

The real goldmine for the person who intends to cause harm to Mr. Westerhold is his Dissolution. With little effort we find his date of birth is 11/**/1958 and his social security number is 2**-56-6***. We also see his prior employment history and yearly salary. Having his full name, date of birth, social security number, prior employer, prior salary and current employer and a guess at his salary, combined with knowing from the Dissolution that he has/had an Auto Loan with XYZ bank and knowing his current mortgage amount and details, it would be child’s play for a bad guy to open up credit accounts and commit various other acts of identity theft against him.

More seriously, for the hardcore bad guy, these public records (per the Dissolution settlement) show that Matt has a pre-teen child who resides with his ex-wife. Reviewing the child support worksheet and the financial affidavits, we see that no tuition or school payments are listed, so it is a relatively high percentage bet that the child is a public school student. We see from the worksheet that mom has custody, so the child almost certainly is the residential parent for school purposes. From further public records, we see the marriage license from Mr. Westerhold’s ex-wife a year after the dissolution, and we already knew her date of birth, social security number and recent employer from the Dissolution. With very little effort we find ex-wife’s residence and now are relatively sure of which public school his pre-teen child goes to simply by checking the auditor’s maps for this residence for school districts. A check of the school website will show us the bus schedule for that particular school and that street or address, so we will almost certainly, with little effort, know which bus the child rides and what time it picks up/drops off. Further, most public libraries keep copies of the local school yearbooks in the reference section. Even if that is not the case, it is going to be fairly easy to get the yearbook and probably get a picture of the child for identification purposes.
:shock: :shock:
That's an awful lot of info that is floating around out there.
Scary scary stuff!
 

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Tinkerhell said:
Malum Prohibitum said:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3823.html

:shock:

We do learn that he owns 322 Deepwood Lane in Amherst, Ohio. However, a quick search reveals that Mesh*** Elsw*** has the phone service there, and she claims to be a renter of Mr. Westerhold and states that Matt does not live there. Turning to the County Recorder, we see that Mr. Westerhold’s mortgage with Union National is a residential mortgage, not a commercial/rental property mortgage. If we were vindictive, we could contact the bank and let them know that Mr. Westerhold is now allegedly renting the property out to a renter, since that is potentially a default under the residential mortgage allowing the bank to foreclose the mortgage.

We also easily learn that Mr. Westerhold was cited into Oberlin Municipal Court for failure to wear a seatbelt and given a warning for speeding. We see he drives a 2003 Blue Chevy Tracker license plate DA*3816. A bad guy now has a car to look for around the Register’s parking lot if he wants to find him.

The real goldmine for the person who intends to cause harm to Mr. Westerhold is his Dissolution. With little effort we find his date of birth is 11/**/1958 and his social security number is 2**-56-6***. We also see his prior employment history and yearly salary. Having his full name, date of birth, social security number, prior employer, prior salary and current employer and a guess at his salary, combined with knowing from the Dissolution that he has/had an Auto Loan with XYZ bank and knowing his current mortgage amount and details, it would be child’s play for a bad guy to open up credit accounts and commit various other acts of identity theft against him.

More seriously, for the hardcore bad guy, these public records (per the Dissolution settlement) show that Matt has a pre-teen child who resides with his ex-wife. Reviewing the child support worksheet and the financial affidavits, we see that no tuition or school payments are listed, so it is a relatively high percentage bet that the child is a public school student. We see from the worksheet that mom has custody, so the child almost certainly is the residential parent for school purposes. From further public records, we see the marriage license from Mr. Westerhold’s ex-wife a year after the dissolution, and we already knew her date of birth, social security number and recent employer from the Dissolution. With very little effort we find ex-wife’s residence and now are relatively sure of which public school his pre-teen child goes to simply by checking the auditor’s maps for this residence for school districts. A check of the school website will show us the bus schedule for that particular school and that street or address, so we will almost certainly, with little effort, know which bus the child rides and what time it picks up/drops off. Further, most public libraries keep copies of the local school yearbooks in the reference section. Even if that is not the case, it is going to be fairly easy to get the yearbook and probably get a picture of the child for identification purposes.
:shock: :shock:
That's an awful lot of info that is floating around out there.
Scary scary stuff!
Amen brother!

If I ever had the finances I would live according to this book How To Be Invisible. It is all legal and it keeps a lot, if not all, of this stuff confidential. I’ve made a few steps the biggest one is don’t use your home address to receive mail. Put your property (home, land, car, boat, etc…) in an LLC and your name won’t show up.
 
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