Oh, the poor poor registered sex offenders!

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by AV8R, Sep 16, 2007.

  1. AV8R

    AV8R Banned

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    FamilyWatchdog.us Action Alert

    Human Rights Watch says:
    I'm a bit of an extremist when it comes to people who harm children. I have no concern for the safety and well-being of sex offenders, especially child sex offenders. I feel it is our duty to make their lives a living hell as they have done to their victims. We must make it as tough as possible for these evil people to exist. The deterrent must be huge because I don't believe these people can be cured or rehabilitated.

    Human Rights Watch is advocating almost complete rescindment of offender registration, public access to their information and convictions, and residency requirements. Why is there always a bigger fight for the bad guy than the victim?
     
  2. GunNut

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    There should be "sex offender" neighborhoods...then anyone that wants to fight for their rights is required to live there as well. The people fighting for their right are no better than the sex offender themselves.

    So, they get harassed, can't find a job, killed, etc... TFB!
     

  3. Thorsen

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    Personally, I don't think the current reporting requirements go far enough for these animals. I think the high rate of recidivism among sexual predators is a good enough reason to argue for them being implanted with GPS style chips that could report to authorities whenever they got within a specified range of a school, park or other area where children are located.

    If we aren't going to lock them up forever, we should lojack them.
     
  4. AV8R

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    But, but, but...

    http://hrw.org/reports/2007/us0907/4.htm#_Toc176672567

    What I've highlighted with bold italics is not a valid argument. I believe that there are many sex crimes that go unreported or do not result in a conviction. Many have gotten away with their crime many times before being convicted.
     
  5. Thorsen

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    I should probably clarify that I think the sex offender registries should be limited to those who have committed acts of rape (sexual assault if you are being PC), child molestation or child pornography.

    I think the act of placing someone on a sex offender list for anything other than those violations dilutes the list and is too extreme a punishment.

    Since we are already placing them on lists that are easily available to the public, would lojacking them be a violation of the fourth or fifth amendment? Perhaps even the eighth?
     
  6. Macktee

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    I agree with Thorsen, the current rules for who is and isn't a sex offender are silly. There was recently something in the news about a couple of 12 year olds who were arrested and the DA intends to prosecute them as sexual predators and who will be required to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives if convicted.

    Their heinous crime? They were participating in something called "slap butt" day at school. And only the boys were arrested, not the girls who were also doing it...

    Not exactly in the same category as rapists or child molesters who should be on the registry. Personally, I don't care if those scum end up living in a cardboard box at the city dump!

    But the rules should make sense! The current rules for offender registries are way too much like the "zero tolerance" stupidity.



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  7. merlock

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    The pervs and their enablers just break my heart. :-({|=
     
  8. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I have enrolled on-line for sex offender notifications, where they notify you via e-mail whenever one moves into or changes addresses within your set criteria. I have it set to notify for my home zip code and for the zip code where the communist teaches (we used to live right behind the school).

    Sex Offender Alerts link
     
  9. JiG

    JiG Awaiting censure

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    What do you NOT get text alerts about?
     
  10. ptsmith24

    ptsmith24 New Member

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    :lol: Hey, he's got it all covered, it seems.
     
  11. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I just like to be aware of what is going on around me. LOL.

    When I was single I worried about people stealing my stuff.

    When I got married I started to worry about rapists.

    When I became a father I started to worry about child predators.

    With each life change I become more paranoid/prepared and buy more guns. LOL.
     
  12. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    Well, it looks like all your life changes are for the better. Just try to avoid the ones with incarceration, since you can't buy guns in jail. ;)
     
  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    One problem with sex offender "registration" laws is that they require more than just registration. They require, basically, an additional term of probation. Probation and "registration" both require registration, in-person meetings with law enforcement, and significant restrictions on where one can live, work, shop, play, etc.

    Now what if a person was only sentenced to, let's say, 5 years by the court that heard all the evidence and legal arguments in his case, but when that 5-year period is over, instead of being free as the court contemplated, he's burdened with 10 more years, or even a lifetime, of "sex offender" probation or reporting & registration that is de-facto probation?

    Is that an ex-post facto law? Where the legislature increases the punishment for the crime long after the person did the crime, and even after they've already been convicted and sentenced for it?

    The courts consistently say no, it's not. No problem with sex offender laws, except the ones that say they can't live within 1000 feet of a school bus stop (this would ban them from living anywhere in or near any town or village). The courts say there's no "ex post facto" violation.

    Of course these courts also say that the Second Amendment is a collective right that means states can have a National Guard.
     
  14. USMC - Retired

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    If these perverts can't be trusted to live near a school bus stop they should not be out of jail, simple as that. Just like gun control laws don't keep criminals from getting guns, registrations and restrictions on where they live will not keep perverts away from our kids. If they can not be trusted they should not be released. But then I'm for capitol punishment for true child molestors (not the 19 year old kid that has a 17 year old girlfriend and gets caught at makeout point).
     
  15. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I don't understand. I don't plan to commit crime and go to jail.
     
  16. Sharky

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  17. wsweeks2

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  18. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    And I commend you for that. But consorting with a Communist is kind of asking for it, isn't it?
     
  19. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    Consorting.......that would be nice. LOL. :yum: