OC/CC carry question

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nosfed92gt

Discussion Starter · Sep 21, 2010

I do not open carry much but I often carry in a manner where it is very obvious that I have a firearm. I often carry a full size XD .45 in a holster on my belt covered with a shirt. I was wondering if some place like walmart that pushes CC could ask me to leave even if it is concealed?

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Owl

· #2 · Sep 21, 2010

Anyplace can ask you to leave for any reason. If you refuse, you can then be charged with trespassing. So, yes they can ask you to leave. They can also ask you to leave because they don't like what's on your Tshirt. Or because you aren't wearing pants.
Signs hold no weight. Walmart would "prefer" you to cc. There is a search button that works pretty well at times at the top of this screen. :shattered:

Not to be a jerk or anything, but cc vs. oc and any and all variations of the discussion have been beaten to death here a million times. Search is your friend. I'm sure most are pretty tired of going over it all again.

No offense, just trying to point you to what is probably an easier way to get what you need. Search " Walmart carry" and I'm pretty sure you'll get what you're looking for...probably more than you need I would guess with a couple of searches.

Editingfx

· #3 · Sep 21, 2010

no no no! I wanna see the :deadhorserepost:

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What Owl said. Signs carry no legal weight in GA (eg, "no guns") but once you're asked to leave, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, just git yer fanny out of there.

Malum Prohibitum

· #4 · Sep 21, 2010

nosfed92gt said:
I was wondering if some place like walmart . . . could ask me to leave . . . ?

Yes, unless they are doing so because of the color of your skin (and you can prove it).

rmodel65

· #5 · Sep 21, 2010

walmart allows OC here in my town atleast

TippinTaco

· #6 · Sep 21, 2010

rmodel65 said:
walmart allows OC here in my town atleast

allowing and tollerant are 2 different things. Wal-mart policy is to CC, if you go into a wal-mart and pass the greeter with a gun on your side theres 3 reasons why:

1. They tolerate the fact legal law abiding citizens carry
2. Most assume someone with a gun in their side is LEO
3. Alot of employees in the store arent aware of the walmart policy

I can 100% promise you if you find that special door greeter that hates guns or afraid of them, you will be shown the door rather quickly.

do not open carry much but I often carry in a manner where it is very obvious that I have a firearm.

whats the point in Cc'ing then? JUST MY OPINION if someone knows you have a firearm you lose that part of the tactical reason to conceal. Soooo that leaves that you cc because you're either uncomfortable Oc'ing or the wife makes you cover it up :shattered:

Hock25

· #7 · Sep 21, 2010

TippinTaco said:
rmodel65 said:

walmart allows OC here in my town atleast

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allowing and tollerant are 2 different things. Wal-mart policy is to CC, if you go into a wal-mart and pass the greeter with a gun on your side theres 3 reasons why:

1. They tolerate the fact legal law abiding citizens carry
2. Most assume someone with a gun in their side is LEO
3. Alot of employees in the store arent aware of the walmart policy

I can 100% promise you if you find that special door greeter that hates guns or afraid of them, you will be shown the door rather quickly.

do not open carry much but I often carry in a manner where it is very obvious that I have a firearm.

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whats the point in Cc'ing then? JUST MY OPINION if someone knows you have a firearm you lose that part of the tactical reason to conceal. Soooo that leaves that you cc because you're either uncomfortable Oc'ing or the wife makes you cover it up :shattered:

In context of the new person/OP's method of lazy conceal, how does Walmart's policy apply?

I suppose the Walmart policy will be an enduring topic, despite dozens and dozens of OCers regularly shopping at WM. I understand the concerns about "poking the bear," as someone mentioned in another thread. With WM specifically, their written policy does not align with their practice. Change the semantics however you wish, but it is alright to OC into Walmart.

Furthermore, WM is a primo first OC outing.

JMJ2

· #8 · Sep 21, 2010

I occasionally OC but I always CC in Wally world. No need to disturb the sheep. My wife whose usaully with me in WalMart would piss a fit if I OC and got asked to leave. She doesn't like me OCarrying cause she says it draws attention. :x

Owl

· #9 · Sep 21, 2010

JMJ2 said:
I occasionally OC but I always CC in Wally world. No need to disturb the sheep. My wife whose usaully with me in WalMart would piss a fit if I OC and got asked to leave. She doesn't like me OCarrying cause she says it draws attention. :x

And I think that is the tip of the spear in this everlasting debate. Poking the sheep or letting them sleep.

If we ever figure that out as a group( GPDO,firearms owners, etc. - pick your "group" it doesn't matter), it will be a monumental accomplishment the likes of which the world has never known. Ok, that might be a bit of an exaggeration but a final word - a final and forevermore general consensus that it is better to scare the sheep( ie "educate" them), or that it is better to let them sleep in ignorance would be nothing short of a miracle.
Some of the same people who tell you that OC is the way to go, will also question someone who writes a business asking what their gun policy is. Some of the same people that see CC as the only way to go will agree that BG's don't "target cops" just because they have a weapon you can see.

The horse may be dead, but I doubt we'll ever get tired of beating it. Anyone need to use my stick? I'm finished with it here....

livesounder

· #10 · Sep 22, 2010

Owl said:
a final word - a final and forevermore general consensus that it is better to scare the sheep( ie "educate" them), or that it is better to let them sleep in ignorance would be nothing short of a miracle.

Anyone need to use my stick? I'm finished with it here....

Your stick's pretty well used up, which is disappointing as you didn't consider the possibility that the more the "sheeple" see firearms in the care of responsible citizens, the more they will become desensitized to the sight of firearms (in the care of responsible citizens).

Rugerer

· #11 · Sep 27, 2010

There was a caller to Armed American Radio a week ago Sunday (9/19) who was from Marietta.

He told about being in a Walmart with his shirt covering his gun. A manager approached him and asked if he had a gun. He answered yes, and was told to leave. He said he had a license, that it was his right, and basically argued. The manager said he needs to leave, or she'll call the cops.

So he said he was walking up front to leave, but told her to call the cops anyway.

He explains to cops and manager that there's no sign posted, and he had no way of knowing what Walmart policy is. The police asked him if he would just leave and he said no (to the police!). And then the manager goes, "If he doesn't leave, can I have him arrested for trespassing?" Police said, yes, but it'd be a waste of time because it won't stand up in court. He ended up leaving.

He said he's tried to contact Walmart HQ "6 or 7 times" and never heard anything back.

He had nothing but praise for Cobb Co. PD. Said they were very understanding and will help you out in situations like that.

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fflintlock

· #12 · Sep 27, 2010

Rugerer said:
There was a caller to Armed American Radio a week ago Sunday (9/19) who was from Marietta.

He told about being in a Walmart with his shirt covering his gun. A manager approached him and asked if he had a gun. He answered yes, and was told to leave. He said he had a license, that it was his right, and basically argued. The manager said he needs to leave, or she'll call the cops.

So he said he was walking up front to leave, but told her to call the cops anyway.

He explains to cops and manager that there's no sign posted, and he had no way of knowing what Walmart policy is. The police asked him if he would just leave and he said no (to the police!). And then the manager goes, "If he doesn't leave, can I have him arrested for trespassing?" Police said, yes, but it'd be a waste of time because it won't stand up in court. He ended up leaving.

He said he's tried to contact Walmart HQ "6 or 7 times" and never heard anything back.

He had nothing but praise for Cobb Co. PD. Said they were very understanding and will help you out in situations like that.

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GAGunOwner

· #13 · Sep 28, 2010

Owl said:
Anyplace can ask you to leave for any reason. If you refuse, you can then be charged with trespassing. So, yes they can ask you to leave. They can also ask you to leave because they don't like what's on your Tshirt. Or because you aren't wearing pants.

If its a government location that is legal for carry they can't make you leave for simply carrying.

mountainman444

· #14 · Sep 28, 2010

Rugerer said:
There was a caller to Armed American Radio a week ago Sunday (9/19) who was from Marietta.

He told about being in a Walmart with his shirt covering his gun. A manager approached him and asked if he had a gun. He answered yes, and was told to leave. He said he had a license, that it was his right, and basically argued. The manager said he needs to leave, or she'll call the cops.

So he said he was walking up front to leave, but told her to call the cops anyway.

He explains to cops and manager that there's no sign posted, and he had no way of knowing what Walmart policy is. The police asked him if he would just leave and he said no (to the police!). And then the manager goes, "If he doesn't leave, can I have him arrested for trespassing?" Police said, yes, but it'd be a waste of time because it won't stand up in court. He ended up leaving.

He said he's tried to contact Walmart HQ "6 or 7 times" and never heard anything back.

He had nothing but praise for Cobb Co. PD. Said they were very understanding and will help you out in situations like that.

Rugerer, I believe you heard this but I don't know if I believe the caller. Why would the trespassing charge not stick after being asked to leave (whatever the reason)? Cobb County PD will help an armed carrier out? That's not what I heard. :screwy:

ET.

· #15 · Nov 6, 2010

livesounder said:
...the more the "sheeple" see firearms in the care of responsible citizens, the more they will become desensitized to the sight of firearms (in the care of responsible citizens).

This is good in theory, but does not translate to the real world all the time. A great number of the sheep out there who don't want to see us carrying guns are people who will never "desensitize" to the sight of a firearm hanging on our side. It will only make them further insensed. It is what it is. Only the people who didn't truly care to begin with will warm up to the idea. Look at Washington, the lines are drawn and nobody is crossing them.

80% of people under 30 are voting liberal. It's the young'ins we need to be "desensitizing". Our schools are teaching them that guns are bad. Guns are killing people. If you bring a picture of a gun to school you can be expelled. We need to be teaching gun safety in the schools, not gun abstainence. There should be a "carry your dad with his gun to school" day. Then pray that the dads aren't the same ones we watch on youtube shooting their guns while they are cleaning them, or shooting their leg in Lowes or trying to catch a falling gun and shooting themselves in the arm. Then there was that guy who pulled the trigger in front of a class and shot the floor :shock: ...

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CoffeeMate

· #16 · Nov 6, 2010

ET. said:
Then there was that [szh0fi8f]guy[/szh0fi8f] DEA agent who pulled the trigger in front of a class and shot [szh0fi8f]the floor[/szh0fi8f] himself :shock: ...

(It just doesn't get old)

MWAG

· #17 · Nov 7, 2010

FWIW, i OC at walmart in acworth, kennesaw and marietta regularly. additionally, i have OC'ed at wm in cumming, griffin, woodstock, alpharetta, norcross, lawrenceville, snellville, sugar hill and canton, all more than once.

i must be doin' somethin' right cuz i've never been asked to leave any business and never been asked about my weapon by any employee............except , of course, for cobb county police officer D. A. Ryan. bless his heart, he is so uninformed..........

BTW, i OC all day, every day in cobb, fulton, dekalb, gwinnett, cherokee, paulding, bartow and clayton counties............just sayin'

ET.

· #18 · Nov 10, 2010

CoffeeMate said:
ET. said:

Then there was that [s:1qvd1y8o]guy[/s:1qvd1y8o] DEA agent who pulled the trigger in front of a class and shot [s:1qvd1y8o]the floor[/s:1qvd1y8o] himself :shock: ...

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(It just doesn't get old)

I stand corrected. That's even better/worse. :shock: :shock: :shock:

COMMANDER1911

· #19 · Nov 10, 2010

I OC most of the time, but when I CC I carry my full size 1911. IMO a 1911 (not neccesarilly a full size) is more easy to conceal due to the width of the firearm. I'm a rather large fellow, and I've found when I tried to conceal my previous SW40VE, It was almost impossible to prevent printing. I don't have that problem with 1911s.

JMJ2

· #20 · Nov 11, 2010

I think if you open carry or conceal carry and go about your business as you normally do then you probaly won't have any problems. Printing or not, try not to act all brand new with it, you know like "look what I got".

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