Obama to ease restrictions on Cuba

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by bdee, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. bdee

    bdee انا باتمان

  2. lespaulplayer

    lespaulplayer New Member

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    Maybe I can finally visit my family that still lives there......nah. I don't speak the language anyhow.
     

  3. zxd9

    zxd9 Active Member

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    I believe "The Weather Underground" got some of their training in Cuba. Hmmm...A favor to his friend Bill Ayers?
     
  4. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Right move, wrong timing.
    We should normalize relations with Cuba when both of the Castro family dictators are out of power.
    I'm not sure if Fidel is out of power, but as long as his brother is on the throne.... we should keep treating them like an illegitimate government.
     
  5. bdee

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    There have been several elections in Cuba in which the communists won overwhelmingly. Now we both know that these were sham elections, but does that make the government illegitimate?

    We have supported a number of dictators who held sham elections throughout their reigns and considered them to be legitimate.

    We consider Karzai to be legitimate despite acknowledging that he stole the last election, but he is our puppet.
    We consider the government in Belarus to be legitimate despite similar activities in the last election.
    We consider the government of Haiti and Honduras to be legitimate despite their election behavior.

    We supported the president of Tunisia and his government because we supported his 'stability' over democracy.

    Ultimately each group of people is responsible for their own government, and if they are unwilling to oust the Castros, who are we to meddle?

    The other problem that I have with the embargo is that we are denying American businesses the chance to make money in that market. Potentially, American businesses could make millions there, and this embargo has cost us jobs for years.
     
  6. CountryGun

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    This! And what if relaxing trade restrictions results in the downfall of the regime? It's "chicken vs egg" stuff, and I think worth the risk.
     
  7. AV8R

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    Listen... ¿When can I legally buy some puros cubanos?
     
  8. lespaulplayer

    lespaulplayer New Member

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    My grandfather used to say that all of the good cigar makers had left Cuba. He left before the revolution (passed away 10 years ago) and became an American citizen so I don't know if they have gotten better or worse since then. They would have been killed if they stayed there by the Castros more than likely because of my family's relationship with Batista. My great grandmother was his godmother and raised him.
     
  9. Puffyfish

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    Yeah now, that's what I'm talking about! [​IMG]
     
  10. bdee

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    I would imagine the conservative Cuban community will be livid.
     
  11. AEKDB

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    Any step towards more market freedom is welcome, no matter how small. After all the damage the past two administrations have done to market freedom, I will take anything.
     
  12. mpc

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    Canada. They don't have the same embargo.
     
  13. Nullifier

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    My personal opinion for what it's worth (nothing) is that the current travel restrictions most severely punish law-abiding, freedom-loving Cuban-Americans who can very rarely visit their relatives and loved ones left behind in Cuba. In many instances, the Cubans who came here and became productive USA citizens now have children but those children are hindered from visiting their grandparents back in the old country.

    As for Cuban cigars, it is true that most of the really good cigar makers have already left Cuba and can now be found in places like Nicaragua, Honduras, and the Dominican Republic.
     
  14. Nullifier

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    Semi-off-topic but a good story: Before JFK signed the Cuban trade embargo into law, he instructed his staff to get as many Cuban cigars as they could find. JFK's brand and size were H. Upmann double coronas. The staff went on a scavenger hunt of sorts, finding every last stick of H. Upmann double coronas in the metro Wash DC area. JFK had a very large humidor. Once the area was scoured of his special preference and his humidor was completely full and would not hold even one more cigar, JFK lit up one of those Cuban cigars, held it in one hand, and signed the Cuban trade embargo into law.

    It was a classic case of "we're the only ones".
     
  15. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Why not? We're almost as Communist as Cuba is now.
     
  16. corey541

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    It really is about time, sad thing is Raul(the other Castro) expressed interest several years ago in opening up talks with the US about the embargo, but President Bush denied him.

    It's obvious that the embargo hasn't/isn't working, and imagine the tax revenue the cigars would bring in!
     
  17. Fallschirmjäger

    Fallschirmjäger I watch the watchers

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    I'm almost in favor of the idea, at least if the case is that Cuban nationals can visit the States. I imagine it could be a bit eye-opening for the Cuban populace to see what can be accomplished in a Free Market system (what we have left of one, anyway.)
     
  18. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    Really? :roll:
     
  19. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    It was a bit tongue in cheek, but yes, we're almost there. More Socialism, because even Cuba isn't really a purely Communist country. More like a Socialist Dictatorship. We have National Healthcare, don't we? On the books right now. We have our government taking out and bailing out almost every industry in our country, telling them what they can PAY their people, and firing and hiring CEOs in PRIVATE companies? We have massive re-distribution of wealth systems set up, where our government takes away from the highest producers in our country, and redistributes in in hundreds of ways to people that have been a negative on the system their whole lives, say adults, for 10 or more years?

    Sounds like we're well on our way to becoming a Socialist country to me. We've also got a good bit of the Fascist Police State stuff going on for us, too.

    Just give us another little while. We're look a lot more like Russia before the collapse, China, and Cuba before you know it.
     
  20. bdee

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    Actually, I have been looking at some of the nationalist, fascist iconography of the 20s and 30s, and I think Obama is closer to them than any communist leader I've studied.