Nurse ! do as the cop says or get arrested

Fallschirmjäger said:

So, about those questions... going to continue to avoid answering?

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Sorry, I'm not going to reward petulant behavior by responding to it. If you needed a "victory" to make yourself feel good, I'm glad I was able to help.

... thought so.

A Different Point Of View

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/arrested-utah-nurse-had-it-coming/

OldWoreOutMarine said:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/arrested-utah-nurse-had-it-coming/

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That's a retarded argument in the article. The hospital has no obligation to permit police on the property to do things that the hospital has already told them it does not want them doing there.

The officer is doing nothing more than committing criminal trespass at the point where he insists on forcing his way onto the property and doing things in violation of their policy over the objections of the hospital's agents.

After a hospital administrator tells Payne he is making a “mistake†by insisting he has the right to obtain the blood, Payne arrests the nurse . . .

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And the analogy to the "hot pursuit" exception to the Fourth Amendment is retarded as well. There was no "hot pursuit" going on, and no situation even tangentially related to "hot pursuit."

I am going to chalk up this author to the "idiot" column. I realize we have to put up with this kind of time wasting crap so long as there are no background check and licensing requirements to type up articles.

"I am going to chalk up this author to the "idiot" column. I realize we have to put up with this kind of time wasting crap so long as there are no background check and licensing requirements to type up articles."

Well Said

The word "retarded".

Hurts my feelings.

Not to mention the hospital policies are founded in law such as HIPAA and court decisions regarding searches.

Even if the cop had obtained the sample under these conditions wouldn't it be inadmissible?

Malum Prohibitum said:

That's a retarded argument in the article. The hospital has no obligation to permit police on the property to do things that the hospital has already told them it does not want them doing there.

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But.. but..butbutbut... he's an attorney!

Back to seriousness again, I agree, in this case, Mr. Re is just a tad outside his lane and certainly doesn't appear to understand Birchfield v. North Dakota according to every other account of the matter.

eta: Out of curiosity, I inquired of GerardFoxLaw as to if their Gregg Re was the same one that penned the column.

jaxenro said:

Even if the cop had obtained the sample under these conditions wouldn't it be inadmissible?

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Maybe if a prosecutor sought to use it against the person from whom it was taken, but I am gathering from follow-up articles that this was not the purpose in taking the blood.

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NTA said:

The word "retarded".

Hurts my feelings.

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I wish someone had come up side his head with an infusion pump.

And now the police have to check in with a trained specialist before visiting a patient.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...urse-arrest-policy-change-20170905-story.html

Chip away at that patent of nobility.

Do retarded get your privileges revoked. Won't stop them from performing official duties, but it will put a crimp on incidents like Det. Payne's little escapade.

I'm wondering now.. just how DID Payne get involved? Was he in the pursuit? Was he detectivating something about the fleeing suspect?

Craftsman said:

And now the police have to check in with a trained specialist before visiting a patient.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...urse-arrest-policy-change-20170905-story.html

Chip away at that patent of nobility.

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Where some might say restricting all police (not just punishing Payne) went overboard,

On CNN's "New Day," Wubbels said she felt betrayed by both Salt Lake City police and university security. She described how she tried to get guards to intervene, saying that Payne seemed angry from the moment he arrived. In the video, university officers can be seen standing by as Payne violently arrests the nurse.

"I was scared to death," Wubbels said. "I went down into the emergency department to get help, to have someone protect me because I felt unsafe from officer Payne from the beginning."

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They apparently see a different issue.

I can't just waltz into an emergency room or intensive care and start questioning anyone.
The media can't just walk into an emergency room and stick a microphone in front of someone that had just been in a car crash.

Why should some people be more special, especially when it's not a part of their duties*?
This policy doesn't restrict anyone from doing anything they shouldn't be doing anyway.


*Noting that the victim of the truck crash was NOT under suspicion of any crime, including driving drunk and NOT being arrested or detained.

Seems planning on what patients to take where didn't won't work out for him either.

Nemo

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/05/utah-detective-who-dragged-nurse-fired-from-paramedic-job.html

Utah detective who dragged nurse fired from paramedic job
September 05, 2017, Fox News

The Salt Lake City detective who handcuffed and dragged a Utah nurse who refused to take blood from an unconscious patient has been fired from his part-time paramedic job.

Gold Cross Ambulance, an emergency response service, announced Tuesday that Payne has been fired “effective immediately,†Fox 13 Salt Lake City reported.

In a statement, Gold Cross said while Payne was not working for the ambulance company during the incident, the company takes “his inappropriate remarks regarding patient transports seriously.â€

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During the recorded incident, Payne said he could retaliate against the hospital when he said, “I’ll bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere.â€

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Great job, Gold Cross Ambulance! :righton:

Open mouth, insert foot (sigh). Kudos to Gold Cross Ambulance, let's see if his department cares enough about the people they serve to follow suit.