Nurse ! do as the cop says or get arrested

mountainpass said:

The victim she was protecting has died.

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Uh oh. Not looking good for Payne.

Mrs_Esterhouse said:

Uh oh. Not looking good for Payne.

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No sir, it's not

Not that I would take Payne's side, but why would that be bad for him? Even if he was the one doing the wild chasing, anything he caused would be faulted to the guy they were chasing. Did his antics at the hospital prevent proper care of the patient? I doubt the hospital would admit to allowing that to happen, even with the video. In the publics eye, Payne is already neck deep in smell stuff and this doesn't help, but legally, what does this change?

Makes everyone pour a bigger bucket of being stupid on him. No real basis but if guy was hurt that bad why would cop be that insistent on what he wanted.

Nemo

Is Wubbles single? If so, someone needs to put a ring on that.

Taurus92 said:

Not that I would take Payne's side, but why would that be bad for him? Even if he was the one doing the wild chasing, anything he caused would be faulted to the guy they were chasing. Did his antics at the hospital prevent proper care of the patient? I doubt the hospital would admit to allowing that to happen, even with the video. In the publics eye, Payne is already neck deep in smell stuff and this doesn't help, but legally, what does this change?

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I'm guessing something reckless was done by Payne, like a pit maneuver or some other thing, that sent the pickup careening into the truck driver's cab.

Only speaking to the character of Salt Lake City Police Detective Jeff Payne and not to the case at hand, Payne was accused of having sexually harassed another police department employee on multiple occasions. Payne also sent a “disparaging email†that was “profane in its content†to the woman using official department accounts.

Upon an investigation by the department's Internal Affairs, his chief wrote, “After a review of the investigation conducted by Internal Affairs, I have concluded that the allegation is SUSTAINED.†- NY Daily News

Payne's punishment was a strongly worded letter in his file and a warning not to do it ever again.=;

Mrs_Esterhouse said:

I'm guessing something reckless was done by Payne, like a pit maneuver or some other thing, that sent the pickup careening into the truck driver's cab.

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Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't believe Payne was involved with the original police chase that started this whole incident. He was just involved in the attempted blood draw at the hospital. Correct?

No evidence of any PIT maneuver immediately preceding the collision.

First mention of (hopefully former) Det. Payne was his arrival at the hospital's burn unit hours after the incident to request a blood sample from the accident victim.

Did that look like suicide to anyone else? No real traffic issue and then swerve right into the truck.

Could be the driver lost control. Could be a tire or other car component failure. Most folks don't have practice at controlling cars above 100 MPH. Most cars don't control well at those speeds either. Almost every car controls differently at those speeds. It is very easy to overcorrect and lose it.

It is obvious to anyone who has followed this case that Payne was trying to gather distraction material (not actual "evidence") so his department could deflect blame from a high-speed pursuit gone bad.

It is not obvious that this is likely not the first time those two have butted heads. She was absolutely ready with witnesses and knew where the video cameras were and that the hospital wouldn't "lose" the video or have an unexpected camera malfunction. Her release of the video was also timed perfectly. When you are up against the power of the state that has demonstrated a willingness to break the law in order to force compliance, you have to be exceptionally well prepared.

Officer has been fired.

MSN.Com

Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.

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The correct course of action. But let us keep watching to see if some other department with lesser standards doesn't pick him back up.

Hired elsewhere, hailed as a hero, go through training to make sure it doesn't get caught on camera next time.

EJR914 said:

Hired elsewhere, hailed as a hero, go through training to make sure it doesn't get caught on camera next time.

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Where? Who hired him?

A grim prediction

Eliminating qualified immunity would go a long way towards solving this problem. Officers would have to carry malpractice insurance much like doctors. Claims against that insurance would raise their premiums. Bad actors would soon find themselves priced out of the market.

Conversely, good cops would be more desirable to agencies because of the lower premiums. They would be able to command more salary and be able to move between agencies more easily.

We use this model in many areas including the ability to drive on public streets. Why it is simply in considerable for law enforcement is beyond me.

Did qualified immunity enter into this event at all?

EJR914 said:

A grim prediction

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I hope you're wrong, and my opinion is that your prediction will turn out to be wrong.

Malum Prohibitum said:

Did qualified immunity enter into this event at all?

I hope you're wrong, and my opinion is that your prediction will turn out to be wrong.

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I hope I'm wrong too, but when you've seen it happen so many times over and over, you just come to expect it

Malum Prohibitum said:

Did qualified immunity enter into this event at all?

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Sorry, that was tangential. I was commenting on a means of preventing bad cops from "resigning" and getting hired elsewhere, only to continue the same behaviors. Eliminating QI was part of that mechanism