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I'm not sure if any of you already know about this but here is a news story that might make you a little uneasy.

Commander disciplined for nuclear mistake

The Air Force continued handing out disciplinary actions in response to the six nuclear warheads mistakenly flown on a B-52 bomber from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30. The squadron commander in charge of Minot's munitions crews was relieved of all duties pending the investigation.

It was originally reported that five nuclear warheads were transported, but officers who tipped Military Times to the incident who have asked to remain anonymous since they are not authorized to discuss the incident, have since updated that number to six.

Air Force and defense officials would not confirm the missiles were armed with nuclear warheads Wednesday, citing longstanding policy, but they did confirm the Air Force was "investigating an error made last Thursday during the transfer of munitions" from Minot to Barksdale.

The original plan was to transport non-nuclear Advanced Cruise Missiles, mounted on the wings of a B-52, to Barksdale as part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. It was not discovered that the six missiles had nuclear warheads until the plane landed at Barksdale, leaving the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 and one-half hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.
 

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You have to understand that flying them is perfectly safe. We flew planes with nukes on them 24/7 during the 50's. The real problem here is that they were not authorized to fly with nukes. Big NO NO. Somebody's career is toast. :oops:
 

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The left-wing nutjobs :copyright: are already speculating that they were on their way to the middle-east to stage for bombing Iran or something and some alert ground-crew spotted it. I guess the airbase they were going to is a major staging area for the operations in Iraq and since nukes aren't moved very often... there you go. I don't believe THAT but it's still an odd situation.
 

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The left-wing nutjobs :copyright: are already speculating that they were on their way to the middle-east to stage for bombing Iran or something and some alert ground-crew spotted it. I guess the airbase they were going to is a major staging area for the operations in Iraq and since nukes aren't moved very often... there you go. I don't believe THAT but it's still an odd situation.
Shows how stupid the The left-wing nutjobs :copyright: really are. If they were going to go to Iraq, they would've flown them straight there. I guess they have never heard of in-flight refueling.

Regardless, this was an extreme frack-up.
 

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foshizzle said:
The left-wing nutjobs :copyright: are already speculating that they were on their way to the middle-east to stage for bombing Iran or something and some alert ground-crew spotted it. I guess the airbase they were going to is a major staging area for the operations in Iraq and since nukes aren't moved very often... there you go. I don't believe THAT but it's still an odd situation.
If we're talking ICBMs here, they can just launch them from their silos; no need to dig them up and haul them around.
 

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The part that I'm concerned about is how six nuclear weapons ended up on the wrong plane. There are numerous procedures in place that require various high ranking people (enlisted and officer) to sign for these weapons. How did they "mistakenly" go from their storage hangar, to the loading area, to the plane, and eventually to Barksdale AFB?

I'm not too concerned with whether the nukes are going to be used on Iran or whatnot. I'm more concerned with how six nuclear weapons can go unaccounted for for 3.5 hours. We're not talking about a soldier going AWOL or a fighter jet not showing up on the radar when it is supposed to, we're talking about six city-erasing nuclear warheads missing from their bunker. And I'm wondering why the media didn't even put much into this story (I check BBC and CNN almost every day and I didn't find it until a friend told me about it, three days after it happened.) yet that stupid Madeline girl is all over the front pages.
 

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IIRC, most of our nukes are only 300-500 kt, so they'd hardly be city-erasing. I'm not saying they wouldn't still cause a whole mess of problems, but fearmongering should be limited.
 

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The part that I'm concerned about is how six nuclear weapons ended up on the wrong plane. There are numerous procedures in place that require various high ranking people (enlisted and officer) to sign for these weapons. How did they "mistakenly" go from their storage hangar, to the loading area, to the plane, and eventually to Barksdale AFB?

I'm not too concerned with whether the nukes are going to be used on Iran or whatnot. I'm more concerned with how six nuclear weapons can go unaccounted for for 3.5 hours. We're not talking about a soldier going AWOL or a fighter jet not showing up on the radar when it is supposed to, we're talking about six city-erasing nuclear warheads missing from their bunker. And I'm wondering why the media didn't even put much into this story (I check BBC and CNN almost every day and I didn't find it until a friend told me about it, three days after it happened.) yet that stupid Madeline girl is all over the front pages.
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I know that when I was on ship, we were advised that whenever there was the possibility that nukes were being moved, you were nose-to-the-bulkhead, or "sleeping" in your rack. If it even looked like you were interested in them, that young motivated LCpl would entertain the thought of a takedown. The fact that some nukes were mistakenly loaded onto a plane sounds fishy, the amount of paperwork and redundant measures to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen is insane. Everyone in my platoon had to have Secret clearances just to be in the shop, and to get the equipment that was classified, required getting the armed guard (me :) ) to escort you to the vault, watch you retrieve the equipment, two signatures in a log book, and then "watch" you work on the equipment. Any visitors to the shop were also escorted by the armed guard, regardless of who they were.

This was only for some minor items of classification, and a few weapons systems that were considered classified.

If these nukes were stored with non-nuke weapons, (yeah right) someone screwed up big time, and will be spending some time at Leavenworth, making small rocks out of big ones.
 

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IIRC, most of our nukes are only 300-500 kt, so they'd hardly be city-erasing. I'm not saying they wouldn't still cause a whole mess of problems, but fearmongering should be limited.
"City-erasing" was more of a humorous term, not to spread fear. :p But shouldn't you still be a little worried that six nuclear warheads were not where they were supposed to be? If it is serious enough to fire the commander of the munitions squadron and have the SoD updated daily on the progress of the investigation then it is serious enough to worry me.
 

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The nuclear mistake that worries me is the one buried in the mud off Tybee.
 

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The nuclear mistake that worries me is the one buried in the mud off Tybee.
That was more of an accident than mistake. That one will be hard to sneak into a mall or office building... But, these are perfect for the job. I hope they really aren't missing. :shock:
 
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