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North Dakota Legalizes Armed Drones For Police

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http://nativesnews.com/2016/09/08/n...te-to-legalise-use-of-armed-drones-by-police/
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codegeek
oh my... soon they will have apache helicopters and A-10 Thunderbolts.

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GAfirearmsReference
"Armed" only with pepper spray, rubber buckshot, and other less-lethal tools.

quote from article above: "While they will be limited to “less than lethal” weapons, tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets and pepper spray could all be used in theory by the remote controlled flying machines."




If you only read the headline and not the article, you'd think Predator drones would be blasting suspects' cars off the road with Hellfire missiles.
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This is rediculous. As a quad operator- this is so stupid on all levels. The stigma is already so bad that just flying in areas where i am allowed to almost makes it not worth the hassle.
Non lethal/less than lethal weapons on a drone would require multiple operators (pilot and gunner and even possibly a third person as an observer) but i think this is a path that nobody wants to go down.

But would a non lethal/less than lethan drone fall under 2A? Would home defense or varment control be allowed? Im sure rubber bullets would take care of a coyote.

Thanks for posting this. I will keep an eye out to how this turns out.
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GAfirearmsReference said:
"Armed" only with pepper spray, rubber buckshot, and other less-lethal tools.

quote from article above: "While they will be limited to “less than lethal†weapons, tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets and pepper spray could all be used in theory by the remote controlled flying machines."

If you only read the headline and not the article, you'd think Predator drones would be blasting suspects' cars off the road with Hellfire missiles.
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^someone who doesn't recognize incrementalism when it's presented to him.
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pml
It's just an natural extension of killer robots.
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AtlPhilip
Sound like an opportunity to improve my skeet skills.
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moe mensale
AtlPhilip said:
Sound like an opportunity to improve my skeet skills.
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The drones will be considered "sworn police officers" just like the K9s are. Your attempts at skeet shooting will therefore be considered assault on a police officer with all that that encompasses.
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Malum Prohibitum
How is this different from delivering explosives with a robot, like in Dallas?
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AtlPhilip
Malum Prohibitum said:
How is this different from delivering explosives with a robot, like in Dallas?
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It pushes the capability into three dimensions, which reduces accountability/traceability. For example, a drone could fire a .22 round at the top center of your skull from 1500 feet. No one would hear or see anything except you collapsing.
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Malum Prohibitum
Cool! :)
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moe mensale
AtlPhilip said:
It pushes the capability into three dimensions, which reduces accountability/traceability. For example, a drone could fire a .22 round at the top center of your skull from 1500 feet. No one would hear or see anything except you collapsing.
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500 yards is really pushing the envelope for .22LR. But that's another discussion.

Is a drone capable of maintaining a perfectly stationary position long enough for that kind of accuracy? I would think that when the weapon is fired, the forces generated onto the drone structure would tend to move the drone out of its "perfect" position. I mean, there's nothing solid here.

Maybe as an area suppression weapon it would work but bulls-eye accuracy?
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moe mensale said:
500 yards is really pushing the envelope for .22LR.
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Remember, you are shooting straight down where you have no vertical drop and the acceleration of gravity offsetting air resistance.

moe mensale said:
Is a drone capable of maintaining a perfectly stationary position long enough for that kind of accuracy?
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Absolutely. You should see some of my son's aerial videography. Rock solid like a camera mounted on a pole.

moe mensale said:
I would think that when the weapon is fired, the forces generated onto the drone structure would tend to move the drone out of its "perfect" position. I mean, there's nothing solid here.
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Yes, they would. But for a bolt action or fixed breach gun, the motion begins after when the bullet exits the barrel and begins free flight on it's pre-exit trajectory.
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moe mensale
AtlPhilip said:
Remember, you are shooting straight down where you have no vertical drop and the acceleration of gravity offsetting air resistance.
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Well that's a completely different perspective I've never heard of before.

As an aside, what's the effective working range between a pilot and a drone?
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AtlPhilip
moe mensale said:
Well that's a completely different perspective I've never heard of before.
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That's what happens when you cross an engineer and a gun geek. ;)

Picture a single shot device placed in the center of the drone facing straight down. The shot will drive the drone upward, which will be counteracted by the mass of the drone and gravity.

In reality one could choose a much more powerful target since, the survival of the drone is irrelevant. And because only one shot is required, the barrel could be made much thinner than conventional barrels.

Since there is no need to compensate for vertical deflection, there is no need to aim above the target. This means the bullet travels a perfectly linear path instead of a longer hyperbolic path. The bullet will be assisted by gravity instead of hindered by it.

The camera gimbal is already stabilized and will hold a target as the drone moves. All that is necessary is to align the camera reticle with the bullet's impact at effective range. That can be accomplished with a simple laser sighting cartridge.

Also, remember that the drone can hover at 1500 feet, but remains silent (but more visible) at 600ft. It could quickly and silently drop from 1500ft to a lower altitude to take the shot.

moe mensale said:
As an aside, what's the effective working range between a pilot and a drone
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My son regularly gets 1500+ feet vertical. And that's without the extended range antennas. At that altitude it is completely inaudible and almost impossible to spot if you didn't visually track it to it's present position.

And keep in mind, what I'm describing is a $1000 off the shelf drone. If you want to spend $5-10K, which a professional hitman would, you can create a very formidable sniping platform.
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AtlPhilip
A couple of videos to spark your thinking.

Note the distance and camera stability

6.3KM round trip flight.

And the non-vertical disruption to the platform isn't as bad as you might think.

And gets better when you use a gimbal. FF to 1:20
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AtlPhilip
And for your enjoyment.....

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rougeneck
codegeek said:
oh my... soon they will have apache helicopters and A-10 Thunderbolts.

:panic:
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Skip that, they'll go for tact nukes in no time...imagine a tact nuke going off because your neighbor is growing a few weed plants.
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gsusnake
rougeneck said:
Skip that, they'll go for tact nukes in no time...imagine a tact nuke going off because your neighbor is growing a few weed plants.
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All for the greater good
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AtlPhilip said:
But for a bolt action or fixed breach gun, the motion begins after when the bullet exits the barrel and begins free flight on it's pre-exit trajectory.
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Wrong. The firearm moves before the bullet exits the barrel.
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