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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/130549-next-step-for-body-scanners-could-be-trains-boats-and-the-metro-
Next step for body scanners could be trains, boats, metro
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I'll tell you what needs to be done. It has something to do with a rope...
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I guess it is going to be fun getting on Marta after going through a full body scanner while carrying a pistol, a BUG, and a five inch, fixed blade knife.
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I'm pretty sure the idea will be to not allow you on with those. That is after they tackle and restrain you for being such a "violent" and "dangerous" individual.Malum Prohibitum said:I guess it is going to be fun getting on Marta after going through a full body scanner while carrying a pistol, a BUG, and a five inch, fixed blade knife.
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werd. im sure it wouldnt go too well for me either. 5" kimber, kahr cw9, ruger lcp, 6"cold steel ti-lite, extra mags for everything......... yeah, no delays there.........Malum Prohibitum said:I guess it is going to be fun getting on Marta after going through a full body scanner while carrying a pistol, a BUG, and a five inch, fixed blade knife.
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You only carry 3 guns :screwy:270sniper said:werd. im sure it wouldnt go too well for me either. 5" kimber, kahr cw9, ruger lcp, 6"cold steel ti-lite, extra mags for everything......... yeah, no delays there.........Malum Prohibitum said:I guess it is going to be fun getting on Marta after going through a full body scanner while carrying a pistol, a BUG, and a five inch, fixed blade knife.
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yeah i know im slacking, but that ar15 was starting to get heavy.drtybykr said:You only carry 3 guns :screwy:270sniper said:werd. im sure it wouldnt go too well for me either. 5" kimber, kahr cw9, ruger lcp, 6"cold steel ti-lite, extra mags for everything......... yeah, no delays there.........Malum Prohibitum said:I guess it is going to be fun getting on Marta after going through a full body scanner while carrying a pistol, a BUG, and a five inch, fixed blade knife.
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No real shock there. I knew that was was the original reason for the scanners at the airport. They just want to get us used to the scanners so they can eventually have them everywhere. After they tackle all forms of transportation, sporting events, movies, and so on. Anywhere the are going to be a large amount of people gathering. Its a perfect form of incrementalism.
Welcome to the "Land of the [s:2xtaw8yk]used to be[/s:2xtaw8yk] Free." You can forget about carry a gun while traveling unless you are driving, and in some state's their confiscating guns just for driving around with them.
What a great job we've done at protecting our rights. 4th amendment out of the window, and carrying while using public transportation will be gone, too.
I don't know if any of you have been watching news stations such as NBC, MSNBC, or CNN, but many of the very prominent host are saying... "We have to do this so that we can be safe, just get used to the violations of your rights, this is for everyone's safety." I mean I feel like I'm in some strange dream that I can't wake up from. All these leftist liberal times are all but begging for the government to take away our 4th amendment rights, most likely because we have a Democratic president at the helm. Could you imagine if this happened with a Republican president in office? They'd be screaming from the hills. But since Obama is president, its ok, just deal with the violations to your rights, its for your safety.
I believe most Americans will just sit back and watch as they drive this country right off the cliff.
Welcome to the "Land of the [s:2xtaw8yk]used to be[/s:2xtaw8yk] Free." You can forget about carry a gun while traveling unless you are driving, and in some state's their confiscating guns just for driving around with them.
What a great job we've done at protecting our rights. 4th amendment out of the window, and carrying while using public transportation will be gone, too.
I don't know if any of you have been watching news stations such as NBC, MSNBC, or CNN, but many of the very prominent host are saying... "We have to do this so that we can be safe, just get used to the violations of your rights, this is for everyone's safety." I mean I feel like I'm in some strange dream that I can't wake up from. All these leftist liberal times are all but begging for the government to take away our 4th amendment rights, most likely because we have a Democratic president at the helm. Could you imagine if this happened with a Republican president in office? They'd be screaming from the hills. But since Obama is president, its ok, just deal with the violations to your rights, its for your safety.
I believe most Americans will just sit back and watch as they drive this country right off the cliff.
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I'm right there with you. I just recently got into politics from just being aware of gun laws and wanting to fight for my rights. And now that I am aware of what going on it's very surreal. Laws that fly in the face of the constitution, I mean, our Government is acting illegally EVERY day and they just sit in office like what they are doing is ok...and the citizens do the same.EJR914 said:
Did you check out the youtube link I sent posted on Ainsworth? Pretty crazy stuff. I don't really understand how all that works, but he hasn't even been proved wrong yet, not even in the courts, and he is putting up 10 grand to anyone that can disprove him.Campeck1911 said:I'm right there with you. I just recently got into politics from just being aware of gun laws and wanting to fight for my rights. And now that I am aware of what going on it's very surreal. Laws that fly in the face of the constitution, I mean, our Government is acting illegally EVERY day and they just sit in office like what they are doing is ok...and the citizens do the same.EJR914 said:
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Whoa, you're making my hurt EJR with too much truth there! You know, I really hadn't thought too much of it before, but you've shone a little light here. Slippery slope does come to mind now. After all, they did start at the very heights (airports), and it's really not a stretch for them to gravitate down to rail transportation, then mass commuter transportation on roads, then to large malls and other "public gatherings", etc...EJR914 said:
You boil a frog slowly to death so that he doesn't jump out of the water.
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What the government is doing by infringing on our rights isn't Constitutionally legal, but if the people march in line like sheep and agree to being infringed upon, then it is "lawful".Campeck1911 said:I'm right there with you. I just recently got into politics from just being aware of gun laws and wanting to fight for my rights. And now that I am aware of what going on it's very surreal. Laws that fly in the face of the constitution, I mean, our Government is acting illegally EVERY day and they just sit in office like what they are doing is ok...and the citizens do the same.EJR914 said:
Whether legal or lawful, the government doesn't care as long as it gets its way.
Tell me about it. I've got in-laws that agree with the porno scanners. They told me last night that they have no problem of the TSA taking nude pictures of them, they also don't care if they are saved or put up on the internet. :screwy:Phil1979 said:What the government is doing by infringing on our rights isn't Constitutionally legal, but if the people march in line like sheep and agree to being infringed upon, then it is "lawful".Campeck1911 said:I'm right there with you. I just recently got into politics from just being aware of gun laws and wanting to fight for my rights. And now that I am aware of what going on it's very surreal. Laws that fly in the face of the constitution, I mean, our Government is acting illegally EVERY day and they just sit in office like what they are doing is ok...and the citizens do the same.EJR914 said:
Whether legal or lawful, the government doesn't care as long as it gets its way.
After I proved to them that the scanners really don't make us any safer, and the only reason behind them was to make the guy who is pushing them rich, all I heard was silence... ohh sweet silence. Its good when you know more facts than the people you are arguing with. It knocks them off their game.
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I was just reading a federal Court of Appeals case that talked about how the government doesn't need your "consent" to search you at public buildings as a security precaution, and therefore you cannot "withdraw" your consent by offering to turn around and leave the property.
Once you go to the place where the government's interests in protecting people outweighs your minimal privacy right not to be scanned, groped, and have your bags searched, that's it. They have to follow their security plan and search you even if circumstances change and you are NOT getting on an airplane.
I didn't know this. I thought you could withdraw your consent to be searched, and they could not search you, but they could deny you access to the secure area.
This Circuit Court of Appeals case also says that this rule doesn't just apply to airports, but many other locations where the government searches everybody in the interests of safety (which is OK) as long as they don't just search some people based on suspicion, with the intent of the search being to find evidence of a crime (that is not O.K.), unless the R.A.S. and Probable Cause standards are met, and then detaining, searching, arresting, etc. is OK again!
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Once you go to the place where the government's interests in protecting people outweighs your minimal privacy right not to be scanned, groped, and have your bags searched, that's it. They have to follow their security plan and search you even if circumstances change and you are NOT getting on an airplane.
I didn't know this. I thought you could withdraw your consent to be searched, and they could not search you, but they could deny you access to the secure area.
This Circuit Court of Appeals case also says that this rule doesn't just apply to airports, but many other locations where the government searches everybody in the interests of safety (which is OK) as long as they don't just search some people based on suspicion, with the intent of the search being to find evidence of a crime (that is not O.K.), unless the R.A.S. and Probable Cause standards are met, and then detaining, searching, arresting, etc. is OK again!
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Can't find it just now.... I'll come back when I do.
But I did jot down these cases cited by the Court in that case I just read.
The Court cited all these cases to show how special circumstances / special security needs doesn't just apply to airports.
MacWade v. Kelly 460 F.3d at 275 (2nd Cir. 2006) ( subway stations);
Cassidy v. Chertoff, 471 F.3d 67, 85 (2d Cir.2006) ( ferry boat);
Wilkinson v. Forst, 832 F.2d 1330, 1340-41 (2d Cir.1987) (public rallies);
United States v. Edwards, 498 F.2d 496, 500 (2d Cir.1974) (airports);
McMorris v. Alioto, 567 F.2d 897, 901 (9th Cir.1978) (state courthouse);
Downing v. Kunzig, 454 F.2d 1230, 1232 (6th Cir.1972) ( federal building).
But I did jot down these cases cited by the Court in that case I just read.
The Court cited all these cases to show how special circumstances / special security needs doesn't just apply to airports.
MacWade v. Kelly 460 F.3d at 275 (2nd Cir. 2006) ( subway stations);
Cassidy v. Chertoff, 471 F.3d 67, 85 (2d Cir.2006) ( ferry boat);
Wilkinson v. Forst, 832 F.2d 1330, 1340-41 (2d Cir.1987) (public rallies);
United States v. Edwards, 498 F.2d 496, 500 (2d Cir.1974) (airports);
McMorris v. Alioto, 567 F.2d 897, 901 (9th Cir.1978) (state courthouse);
Downing v. Kunzig, 454 F.2d 1230, 1232 (6th Cir.1972) ( federal building).
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Thanks for the cites. Not really surprising these come largely from the 6th and 9th.
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probably been seen before, but an accurate comaparison never-the-less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAHjsAn ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAHjsAn ... re=related
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