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William said:
Hey everybody i'm a new member here, check out my introduction if you would like. I have been around firearms my whole life and am very proficient with rifles and shotguns but am struggling with my first handgun. I just received a Glock 30 for my 21st birthday and absolutely love it. I do not shoot very well with it at all though. I have put about 120 rounds downrange WWB 230gr. and am practicing everyday with Azoom snap caps but just can't seem to get any groups at all with it. I have been practicing at 5 to 15 yards. Here's the thing I know my grip is correct and my stance is good imo and all of my shots hit my target but they are all over the place. I would love to attend some formal training but as a student my money is tight! I have the gun figured out, how hard is it to figure a Glock out :lol: and am very safety orientated with it but can't shoot the thing accurately at all. If anyone can give me some tips or would be willing to meet and help me figure out what I am doing wrong I would really appreciate it. I would be willing to pay what I can if someone would like to get together. I'm not expecting to shoot 1" groups but I mean at 5yds I can't group anything :help: Thanks in advance.
Well you did say you're were shooting a Glock. :lol:

All kidding aside, if you know about firearm safety, and you know the laws pertaining to self-defense, and you're tight on money, I say spend it on ammo for practice. You are already doing fine with practicing snap caps all the time, something I do myself.

Just to make sure its not your grip or your stance, watch what a few of the pros say about grip and stance. It might help you out. I don't know.

Watch this guy shoot, and then tell me that you don't want to copy exactly what this guy does:
Todd Jarrett on shooting a pistol, stance, trigger control, grip, ect.

Grip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vih-TWRQ ... re=channel Stance

Hope that helps my friends.
 

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Welcome to the handgun shooting world! :)

The G30 is great little shooter. 8) I just picked up a G30SF a couple months ago and I've had it's slimmer little brother, the G36, for about two years and I really like 'em both.

When you can, I would recommend picking up a .22 conversion kit for your G30:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/advantage-a ... 29-30.html

This would be a great, ( and much more inexpensive! ) way to fine tune and practice pistol shooting.

I know it would be quite a bit of a drive for you, but if you got the chance to come down this way, we could meet for a range session and work on getting you dialed in with your G30. Patrick's in Garden City would be perfect. The friendly and gun savy staff can also provide helpful tips a pointers to shooters. :)
 

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William said:
Hey everybody i'm a new member here, check out my introduction if you would like. I have been around firearms my whole life and am very proficient with rifles and shotguns but am struggling with my first handgun. I just received a Glock 30 for my 21st birthday and absolutely love it. I do not shoot very well with it at all though. I have put about 120 rounds downrange WWB 230gr. and am practicing everyday with Azoom snap caps but just can't seem to get any groups at all with it. I have been practicing at 5 to 15 yards. Here's the thing I know my grip is correct and my stance is good imo and all of my shots hit my target but they are all over the place. I would love to attend some formal training but as a student my money is tight! I have the gun figured out, how hard is it to figure a Glock out :lol: and am very safety orientated with it but can't shoot the thing accurately at all. If anyone can give me some tips or would be willing to meet and help me figure out what I am doing wrong I would really appreciate it. I would be willing to pay what I can if someone would like to get together. I'm not expecting to shoot 1" groups but I mean at 5yds I can't group anything :help: Thanks in advance.
since your local, im willing to go to the range with you and help you with your shooting.
 

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Yeah, getting a .22 conversion kit or just buying one of those new Glock-style .22 pistols would be a great way to get effective practice in, on a budget.
Consider the difference in ammo prices: $3 for 50 rounds versus what, maybe $20 for 50 rounds of .45 acp?

Another tip for trigger control: Get some other kind of toy / BB / pellet gun for more dry fire practice. This other gun must be one that doesn't require a slide to be cycled by hand to cock the gun for each shot. It doesn't have to actually be a functional gun that shoots any projectile-- as long as it can be cocked and dry fired with a trigger pull that's got at least a few pounds on it.

You can tape a LASER pen or pointer to the side of the barrel of that toy / BB gun, and when you dry fire it, try to be so smooth and steady on the trigger that the laser dot on the wall (or on the target, even if it's not in the center of the target where you're aiming the sights) doesn't move much as you pull the trigger.
At 5 yards / 15 feet, the dot should wriggle in an area no larger than a quarter as you pull the trigger.

P.S. If you know of a place where you can safely and legally shoot a BB or pellet pistol, they make excellent training tools to go from huge, embarassing "groups" the side of a man's body to pretty small groups, maybe 1" at 15 feet or 2-3" at 30 feet.
When you are good enough to shoot tennis-ball sized groups easily and fairly quickly at 30 feet with a cheap ($30-50) air pistol, then you will have outgrown that gun and will be ready to fine-tune your skills on your Glock or some other real handgun.
 

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William said:
Thanks for the tips, I watched the video's I am sure I have my grip right. That guy is nothing short of awesome. Now my stance seems to be a mix of modified weaver and modified isosceles :lol: I need to work on that. I think I may have a trigger control problem, I am shooting with the pad of my index but I think I may be flinching a little. I need to randomly put some snap caps in my mags and test it out I guess. Thanks again for the videos.
Trigger control is my worst problem, I'm still trying to undo it. I spent years hunting birds, and for some reason, I slap the crap out of the trigger.

Remember to feel the reset of the trigger, and then pull the next shot. It increases speed and accuracy. Its amazing what you'll be able to do with a few months of practice, if you practice it everyday. :D
 

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I'm no pro, but I've noticed that the more I practice with my .22 Ruger Mark II, the better I get with my Glock. And when I improve with the Glock, sometimes I get nearly awesome (by my standards) with the Ruger Mark II.
 

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William said:
Thanks so much everybody. ARMT Guy I actually come to Savannah a pretty good bit and that would be great. Also 308sniper thanks for your offer as well i'll shoot a pm to both of yall. That .22 conversion kit is pretty cool I will have to look more into that. I actually have an airsoft gun it's more of a Beretta type but I use it to help me get my draw and grip right and it really helps. I also like the laser idea. Thanks again guys I can tell I am going to love this forum :D
No problem! :)

We're here to help! 8)
 

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I was a decent shot before I took an NRA pistol class with my girlfriend (just the instructor and us, one on two). I took the class mostly for my girlfriend's benefit to teach her gun safety (and so she wouldn't learn any of my bad habits starting out), but I ended up learning a LOT about proper technique and it really improved my accuracy.
 

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William said:
Thanks so much everybody. ARMT Guy I actually come to Savannah a pretty good bit and that would be great. Also 308sniper thanks for your offer as well i'll shoot a pm to both of yall. That .22 conversion kit is pretty cool I will have to look more into that. I actually have an airsoft gun it's more of a Beretta type but I use it to help me get my draw and grip right and it really helps. I also like the laser idea. Thanks again guys I can tell I am going to love this forum :D
No problem! :)

We're here to help! 8)
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Go buy some snap caps for your Glock. Then have someone load your mags with both randomly (or you do it the night before so you won't remember the pattern). When you take it to the range and load the mags into the gun you will have no idea when the gun is going to fire or just click. You will see how much you are jerking the gun as you pull the trigger. When I did this the first time I really jerked that first snap cap. I got better after awhile.

I also like the idea of getting a lazer and watching it move as you pull the trigger. After all, the gun is going to shoot the bullet exactly where it is aimed at the point when the bullet emerges from the barrel. It never fails to do this... profound ain't it?
 

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Remember practicing bad habits will not improve your shooting. I have heard it called masterbating the gun. (it gives you a good feeling but doesn't accomplish anything else) The money spent with a good instructor is well worth it and will save you time, money and frustration in the long run. A good class will cost about the same as a case of ammo. If you just buy 2 cases of ammo and shoot it you may improve some or you may just ingrain bad habits; but buy 1 case and 1 class and you should improve 4 fold.

Just ask the people who have had good training if it was worth it.
I here comments in class all the time like:
Nobody ever told me that. or I had no idea I was doing it wrong; the best one yet was a student who said "There was so much information in this class I felt like I was drinking from a firehose"
Several times guys will send there wife's/girlfriends to class and then when the wife comes home and shoots better than he does, he signs up for class.
 

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Remember practicing bad habits will not improve your shooting. I have heard it called masterbating the gun. (it gives you a good feeling but doesn't accomplish anything else) The money spent with a good instructor is well worth it and will save you time, money and frustration in the long run. A good class will cost about the same as a case of ammo. If you just buy 2 cases of ammo and shoot it you may improve some or you may just ingrain bad habits; but buy 1 case and 1 class and you should improve 4 fold.

Just ask the people who have had good training if it was worth it.
I here comments in class all the time like:
Nobody ever told me that. or I had no idea I was doing it wrong; the best one yet was a student who said "There was so much information in this class I felt like I was drinking from a firehose"
Several times guys will send there wife's/girlfriends to class and then when the wife comes home and shoots better than he does, he signs up for class.
:lol: I hope you dont mind me plagerising that in my class', that is hilarious and explains it so well :righton:
 

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I am new to handguns as well. I took a basic pistol course that helped me with trigger control as well as my sight alignment. My rounds seemed to be all over the place, but I have learned what I need to do get more consistent shots. Check out www.piedmontnrainstructors.com; this will give you some idea of what you need to improve on. Hope this helps
 

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Try the laser trick. Attach a $4 laser pointer to a $5 cap pistol you buy from a toy store, or a $20 BB pistol that you buy at any sporting goods store, and just practice keeping the sights aligned and the gun steady (as visually verified by the steadiness of the laser dot on the target surface) as you pull the trigger.

When you can make the gun click or pop a cap or shoot a BB with the sights staying steady and with the laser dot steady against the target
(even if the laser dot is NOT aiming where the sights are... that doesn't matter)
THEN you should be able to take a real gun like your Glock and shoot tennis-ball sized groups at 20 feet, and basketball-sized groups (still all within the kill zone of a man-sized target) at 25 yards.
 

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William said:
Hey everybody i'm a new member here, check out my introduction if you would like. I have been around firearms my whole life and am very proficient with rifles and shotguns but am struggling with my first handgun. I just received a Glock 30 for my 21st birthday and absolutely love it. I do not shoot very well with it at all though. I have put about 120 rounds downrange WWB 230gr. and am practicing everyday with Azoom snap caps but just can't seem to get any groups at all with it. I have been practicing at 5 to 15 yards. Here's the thing I know my grip is correct and my stance is good imo and all of my shots hit my target but they are all over the place. I would love to attend some formal training but as a student my money is tight! I have the gun figured out, how hard is it to figure a Glock out :lol: and am very safety orientated with it but can't shoot the thing accurately at all. If anyone can give me some tips or would be willing to meet and help me figure out what I am doing wrong I would really appreciate it. I would be willing to pay what I can if someone would like to get together. I'm not expecting to shoot 1" groups but I mean at 5yds I can't group anything :help: Thanks in advance.
The handgun is harder to master than a rifle like Scott 40 SW said invest in a class. You can look at videos etc but there is nothing like and instructor to train you practice is something you do after training to become better.
 
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