Ask the kid who moved there and kept them in his trunk for a month how is life is going now.
New Jersey gun laws and lack of clarity.
So, I considered it common knowledge that New Jersey is exceedingly difficult to bring a gun if you are visiting. An acquaintance mentioned that he was going to NJ on business. When I commented about leaving the gun at home, he was under the impression that he could have the gun unloaded, encased in the trunk, and separate from the ammunition.
He was not misreading FOPA; he is not traveling through NJ. His destination is NJ. I thought it was common knowledge that a NJ resident had severe restrictions on traveling in the state with a handgun, and out-of-state residents pretty much just can't carry a handgun in any way.
His point of reference was this website: http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-firearm.shtml This is the official page of the New Jersey State Police, which you would hope would have accurate information.
When reading the information from the NJ state police, they clearly differentiate traveling through NJ as being regulated differently than traveling into NJ (presumably with NJ as the destination). But by reading the page, an ignorant non-resident might think they can safely keep a gun in the car trunk while visiting (i.e., stopping and sleeping over) in NJ. Until I read that page, I was 99% sure that doing that would be a crime in NJ because everyone pretty much has to have a government permission slip just to possess a gun in NJ. The NRA-ILA and Handgunlaw.us New Jersey pages seem to agree with what I have always thought.
Am I wrong, or is the New Jersey State Police website very misleading in regard to a visitor possessing a handgun in NJ? It looks like to me that the first section explains how a "permitted" person can transport a firearm in New Jersey, but leaves out the onerous requirements of how a person gets permitted.
He was not misreading FOPA; he is not traveling through NJ. His destination is NJ. I thought it was common knowledge that a NJ resident had severe restrictions on traveling in the state with a handgun, and out-of-state residents pretty much just can't carry a handgun in any way.
His point of reference was this website: http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-firearm.shtml This is the official page of the New Jersey State Police, which you would hope would have accurate information.
When reading the information from the NJ state police, they clearly differentiate traveling through NJ as being regulated differently than traveling into NJ (presumably with NJ as the destination). But by reading the page, an ignorant non-resident might think they can safely keep a gun in the car trunk while visiting (i.e., stopping and sleeping over) in NJ. Until I read that page, I was 99% sure that doing that would be a crime in NJ because everyone pretty much has to have a government permission slip just to possess a gun in NJ. The NRA-ILA and Handgunlaw.us New Jersey pages seem to agree with what I have always thought.
Am I wrong, or is the New Jersey State Police website very misleading in regard to a visitor possessing a handgun in NJ? It looks like to me that the first section explains how a "permitted" person can transport a firearm in New Jersey, but leaves out the onerous requirements of how a person gets permitted.
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Being from Philadelphia I can say unequivocally that the NJ State Police are NOT your friends. If they told me it was raining I'd stick my arm out the window to check.
I would read through this document very, very carefully. And I personally would think long and hard before a) going to New Jersey at all, and b) going there with a firearm.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newjersey.pdf
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newjersey.pdf
seems that you can on the face of it! But we all know that it's your word against the shiny badge!
All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:
The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.
New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:
The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.
New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
18 U.S.C.A. 926A:
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
(Added Pub. L. 99-360, § 1(a), July 8, 1986, 100 Stat. 766.)
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
(Added Pub. L. 99-360, § 1(a), July 8, 1986, 100 Stat. 766.)
So I am not in the minority in my presumed knowledge that it is generally hard and inadvisable to take a gun into New Jersey. Any thoughts on the New Jersey State Police website that makes it seem otherwise (excluding the Firearm Owners Protection Act language that only applies if not stopping in New Jersey)?
Of course they know they are lying about it. Anywhere else and it would be called entrapment. Don't forget that each round of hollow ammo is also a felony offense as well.
:screwy:GeorgiaHybrid said:Don't forget that each round of hollow ammo is also a felony offense as well.
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