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For instance, a convicted pedophile was able to have a gun? (non violent crime) I wonder....
 

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Puffyfish said:
For instance, a convicted pedophile was able to have a gun? (non violent crime) I wonder....
If he is not in jail/prison he should have all the rights granted to other persons.
 

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For instance, a convicted pedophile was able to have a gun? (non violent crime) I wonder....
I was wondering that myself, and whether this ruling realy contradicted the earlier one. Reporters . . .
 

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State Law? I thought the prohibition for felon's possession was a federal issue...
The feds have a law, and the state has a law. They can both prosecute seperately.
 

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If he is not in jail/prison he should have all the rights granted to other persons.
I disagree. I think once you commit a crime that is heinous enough to be a felony, the judicidial system should have the right to restore those rights in whatever manner they see fit. It's ridiculous to for us to be forced to keep someone in jail if we don't want it to be legal for someone who has been convicted of kidnapping from owning a gun.
 

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kwikrnu said:
If he is not in jail/prison he should have all the rights granted to other persons.
I disagree. I think once you commit a crime that is heinous enough to be a felony, the judicidial system should have the right to restore those rights in whatever manner they see fit. It's ridiculous to for us to be forced to keep someone in jail if we don't want it to be legal for someone who has been convicted of kidnapping from owning a gun.
If a crime is heinous enough to be a felony the person should be incarcerated for the remainder of their life. Rights of men are granted by God, and judges have no place to restore them.
 

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kwikrnu said:
ookoshi said:
kwikrnu said:
If he is not in jail/prison he should have all the rights granted to other persons.
I disagree. I think once you commit a crime that is heinous enough to be a felony, the judicidial system should have the right to restore those rights in whatever manner they see fit. It's ridiculous to for us to be forced to keep someone in jail if we don't want it to be legal for someone who has been convicted of kidnapping from owning a gun.
If a crime is heinous enough to be a felony the person should be incarcerated for the remainder of their life. Rights of men are granted by God, and judges have no place to restore them.
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kwikrnu said:
ookoshi said:
kwikrnu said:
If he is not in jail/prison he should have all the rights granted to other persons.
I disagree. I think once you commit a crime that is heinous enough to be a felony, the judicidial system should have the right to restore those rights in whatever manner they see fit. It's ridiculous to for us to be forced to keep someone in jail if we don't want it to be legal for someone who has been convicted of kidnapping from owning a gun.
If a crime is heinous enough to be a felony the person should be incarcerated for the remainder of their life. Rights of men are granted by God, and judges have no place to restore them.
Possession of stolen property (note, I did not say stealing it) valued at more than a defined dollar amount (different for every state usually) is a felony. Do you ever shop in pawn shops? Can you ever be absolutely sure that the used weapon you bought from "X Gun & Pawn" 5 years ago wasn't stolen a week earlier in TX and NCIC got updated afterward. There have been cases of 4473'd weapons coming back stolen on a NCIC check. Kidnapping (you're example) is a crime for which I believe the death penalty should be on the table. It is a violent crime, and in most cases involves serious injury or death of the victim.
 

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Stolen firearms in GA are a felony, it doesn't matter the value.
 

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If a crime is heinous enough to be a felony the person should be incarcerated for the remainder of their life. Rights of men are granted by God, and judges have no place to restore them.
Man has given themselves the ability to take away rights through the rule of law. Since we have given ourselves the authority to take away a thief's freedom for some period of time, a person who physicially injures another for some length of time, why does this authority not extend to rescind such judgement? It seems rather lopsided and nonsensical that a judge should only have power to take away god given rights. It doesn't make sense to make punishment be all or nothing.

What your advocating is either anarchy or the death penalty for every serious offense. Reality lies in the middle.

And I understand that there are certain crimes that are felonies that perhaps are not that bad, but there are many shades of grey between receiving stolen property and murder. Where would you like the line to be drawn?
 

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ookoshi said:
Man has given themselves the ability to take away rights through the rule of law. Since we have given ourselves the authority to take away a thief's freedom for some period of time, a person who physicially injures another for some length of time, why does this authority not extend to rescind such judgement? It seems rather lopsided and nonsensical that a judge should only have power to take away god given rights. It doesn't make sense to make punishment be all or nothing.

What your advocating is either anarchy or the death penalty for every serious offense. Reality lies in the middle.

And I understand that there are certain crimes that are felonies that perhaps are not that bad, but there are many shades of grey between receiving stolen property and murder. Where would you like the line to be drawn?
Free men have rights and judges or laws cannot remove those rights. If a man needs to be prohibited from possessing a handgun the rest of his life the law should lock him in prison the rest of his life. It a man is sent to prison for 5 years his rights are suspended for 5 years. If he is sent to prison for 20 years his rights are suspended for 20 years. The law gives too much power to judges who decide if someone should be pardoned, their records expunged, or rights restored.
 

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Government is only spposed to protect rights and rights are UNALIENABLE they can not be taken by govt. because it can not take what it didnt give....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 

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Puffyfish said:
For instance, a convicted pedophile was able to have a gun? (non violent crime) I wonder....
Since when was ripping the innocence from a child not violent?

If you had ever been molested you would know just how violent it is.
 

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A service-member, discharged dishonorably, loses his/her right to vote lifelong, regardless of the reason. May not salute the flag, may not vote, and many other restrictions apply. Just throwing that into the fray, and interested in responses.
 

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A service-member, discharged dishonorably, loses his/her right to vote lifelong, regardless of the reason.
Don't the individual states determine what makes a person eligible or ineligible to vote? I don't think there is a federal law prohibiting these people from voting.
 

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May not salute the flag, may not vote, and many other restrictions apply. Just throwing that into the fray, and interested in responses.
If they aren't in the military anymore, how can they be charged for saluting the flag? Please cite the law.

I know that these people are prohibited from possessing firearms by federal law.

It is rather unfair to punish these people this harshly. After all, at least they did serve. That is more than most people.
 

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Government is only spposed to protect rights and rights are UNALIENABLE they can not be taken by govt. because it can not take what it didnt give....
So, you don't support prisons then, because they take away rights of the people incarcerated? And you don't support the death penalty, because they deprive the person of a right to live?

Those god given rights are only unalienable so long as you do not infringe on the rights of others, it is not absolute. Otherwise what you describe is an anarchy.
 
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