National Collegiate Empty Holster Protest -- who's in?!

Discussion in 'In the News' started by misawa, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. misawa

    misawa New Member

    Got this from Boortz's site:

  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Georgia Southern University is in. We've been organizing since mid Sept.

  3. Sharky

    Sharky Active Member

    man if I were in college I would join in, oh well I will just have to carry as normal! :wink:
  4. ptsmith24

    ptsmith24 New Member

    Yea, there's another thread on here about it already.
  5. Thorsen

    Thorsen New Member

    I'll be packing .... an empty holster that is.
  6. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

    Will ETSU students have to holster their planned rally?

    By Sam Watson
    Press Education Writer
    [email protected]

    An "empty holster" demonstration to promote campus firearm possession
    is getting a second look from East Tennessee State University
    administrators after they initially warned a student club that
    participation could result in discipline.

    "I was real happy to hear that they're reconsidering that," Jay
    Adkins, a vice president in ETSU's Marksmanship Club, said Monday. "I
    was surprised at the reaction that I got, because right off the bat,
    it was a reaction of, 'No, this can't be done. It's inappropriate.'"

    Club members had approached administrators about their intentions to
    don empty holsters for a national event organized by Students for
    Concealed Carry on Campus to support legislation that would allow
    permit holders to carry concealed handguns on college campuses.

    On its Web site, the national group cites last spring's deadly
    Virginia Tech rampage and the 1999 Columbine High School massacre as
    reasons for the movement.

    "After such tragedies as Columbine and Virginia Tech, it is
    abundantly clear that the only way to stop mass murderers is to have
    responsible citizens in the classroom and on campuses able to carry
    their licensed handguns," the site states.

    Opponents, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,
    argue that allowing concealed firearms on campuses would dramatically
    increase gun violence risks to college students.

    ETSU administrators originally shot down the idea of local
    participation in the empty holster demonstration, informing Adkins
    that any student seen wearing an empty holster on the campus would
    face discipline for disorderly conduct. Anyone who refused to remove
    a holster would face further sanctions for failing to cooperate with
    institutional officials.

    In an e-mail to Adkins dated Wednesday, ETSU Associate Vice President
    for Student Affairs and Dean of Students Joe Sherlin also noted
    deaths on other campuses as reason for the administration's position.

    "Particularly in light of recent campus shootings, wearing a firearm
    holster on the campus can be intimidating and unreasonably disturbing
    to others and can create a disruption to campus activities," Sherlin

    But on Friday, Sherlin said administrators were re-evaluating the
    original ruling and doing more research for a final determination.
    Attorneys at ETSU and its governing body, the Tennessee Board of
    Regents, were involved.

    "That was our initial response out of the box, but we continue to
    gather information on it and are in consultation with legal counsel
    on it even further, and we have decided that we need to take a look
    at it," Sherlin said.

    Sherlin said the administration's main concern was how others might
    react to seeing empty holsters at ETSU.

    "There's a potential to create disturbance on the campus," he said.
    "We have individuals coming in and out of campus. It's a possibility
    that they could be disturbed by someone in a holster. They would not
    know if they have a firearm, and that could create a disruption."

    Regardless of the administration's decision about the empty holster
    demonstration, Sherlin said, club members would be free to use other
    methods to express themselves on the issue.

    "The request to have the protest has never been in question," Sherlin
    said. "They're free to protest on the campus and make their cause
    known, distribute literature. The only issue that's in question is
    the request to use empty firearm holsters.

    "Freedom of speech is a key to a university as a marketplace of
    ideas. It happens all the time, and that's part of what we're about."

    Adkins characterized his intentions in approaching the administration
    as a courtesy rather than a request.

    "I didn't feel that we really required permission, but I wanted to be
    up front," Adkins said. "If somebody were to have concerns, we wanted
    the administration (and) we wanted campus safety to know what was
    going on so that things couldn't get escalated unnecessarily."

    Although he spoke of that potential for escalation, Adkins said he
    did not consider the administration's concerns about disruption
    legitimate, given the Marksmanship Club's intentions of publicizing
    the empty holster campaign.

    "We were going to have flyers all over campus," Adkins said. "We were
    going to be getting the word out that this was going to be happening.
    So, this was not going to be just students showing up one day with

    He dismissed the notion that students, employees and campus safety
    officers would have difficulty differentiating between an empty
    holster and a real threat.

    "I would think if someone saw a holster, they would look and see
    there's not a gun in there," he said. "If it's not in the holster, it
    would be in your hand. If they see a gun in your hand, that's going
    to raise an alarm."

    Adkins had a similar take on how people on campus would differentiate
    between someone carrying a weapon for protection and someone with
    harmful intent, saying campuses would be no different than shopping
    malls and other locations where permit holders can legally carry

    "We just want our rights to extend on the campus just like all of our
    other rights do," Adkins said.
  7. tace

    tace New Member

    They should put a banana in those empty holsters. It would make the point and use humor to keep those sensitive (and most likely sheltered) folks from freaking out.
  8. Brian618

    Brian618 New Member

    That's a great idea tace. The point would me made and I can't imagine anyone being "intimidated" by it (Not that anyone should be intimidated by a piece of leather or plastic)
  9. N.T.F.S.

    N.T.F.S. Active Member

    What if a large number of people decided on a given day or two, to do an open holder "protest" in every possible public gathering they encounter.
    Just a thought
  10. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    Geez, Brian. You could've at least given a warning before posting that alarming image. I'm going to sue you for emotional distress!
  11. Macktee

    Macktee New Member


    Believe him on this one Brian!

    Butter is a bananaphobic. Truly a sad and slippery story...

  12. Brian618

    Brian618 New Member

    Sorry budder, I forgot that this is a family forum and persons with delicate sensibilities (and girl hands) sometimes browse these pages. I hope you will accept my most heartfelt apology, however, I would advise you against filing suit, as I have several people who can testify your emotion was in distress long before you saw that image. :twisted:

  13. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

    You have a PM.
  14. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

    You have a PM, too.
  15. ls1ssdavid

    ls1ssdavid New Member

    Those of you who are in should try to wear GeorgiaCarry shirts that day as well.
  16. misawa

    misawa New Member

    Nobody noticed mine. At least if they did, nothing was said. Still got 3 more days this week, but Mondays are the days when I'm there all day long, walking all over the ding-dang campus. :roll:

    Anybody else here at Southern Poly?
  17. Thorsen

    Thorsen New Member

  18. ls1ssdavid

    ls1ssdavid New Member

    A little off topic: I met a Southern poly police officer before (not while he was on duty). Wow was he impressive :roll:
  19. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

    You have a PM, too.
  20. misawa

    misawa New Member

    I've only had real interaction with one of their officers, a Captain (which from what I've been able to gather is equivalent to the 2nd in command). To my great surprise, he was a staunch supporter of RKBA and applauded me for not taking my safety for granted.