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I have had some interesting times talking with my sister about firearms in the past. Last Christmas I was told I was not to come to her house with the family if I was going to carry my weapon. After some negotiation, she and I worked out an out of sight, out of mind agreement where if I deep concealed, she wouldnt ask if I had it. She is one that I have had other political issues with as well because she is ultra right and seems to lean into statist, where I am very Libertarian and do not lean right or left. Below is from a conversation I had with her through a chat this morning. Any suggestions on how I might be able to continue this with her?
Note... She is very religious, so don't try to attack the fact that God and Jesus were brought up in the discussion.
Note... She is very religious, so don't try to attack the fact that God and Jesus were brought up in the discussion.
11:15 AM Karyn: what's a good website to find out voting records and/or political stance on issues (that won't be blocked here at school)
11:16 AM me: oohhh... one that wont be blocked at school? gimme a minute
11:17 AM Karyn: a nonpartisan one
11:20 AM me: These guys have been very unbiased in my opinion... see if you can see it
http://politifact.com/georgia/
the problem is that they dont cover everything
11:21 AM nor do they cover really any of the Libertarians
11:22 AM Karyn: ok well I probably won't be voting L because unlinke you I still do believe in voting for the lesser of two evils (even though it's still evil) because I can't "throw away" my vote
me: Project Vote Smart seems to be overloaded and wont load
11:23 AM I did not vote straight libertarian... I voted for some of them though
Karyn: yeah I tried that - it keeps saying there is an internet connection problem
11:24 AM me: GA has the runoff rule, so it gives some shielding to allow me to vote my conscious in more elections than i would be able to in another state
Some of the libertarians on my ballot dont deserve the job, so they didnt get my vote
11:25 AM Karyn: well I don't always vote straight republican, but mostly
me: If my only options were King Roy or Lets make a Deal... I would have abstained from the vote
I had to vote Monds
11:26 AM I know too much about the other two
That one is almost certain to go to run-off
11:27 AM Karyn: i know too much abouut them too, but as a teacher i will NEVER vote for Roy, but can't feel like my vote won't count and I know nothing about Monds' position on issues
11:28 AM me: in the case of the governors race, it will count. it is almost assured it will go to run-off because Monds is polling great for a third party. Him getting a good percentage would open up tons of options for third parties in future elections, and it would help the signal that the vote was not FOR the republicans, but AGAINST the Dependocrats
11:29 AM as far as I am concerned with Deal.... he is as bad or worse than King Roy... the only silver lining with him winning would be if he has to resign over some old issues and Cagle would become Govenor
11:31 AM Karyn: I like Cagle
me: he is a good guy, and he seems to have the peoples liberties in mind
Karyn: well you know gun issues are not big with me, but I like how he stands on other issues
11:33 AM me: he remembers my face and calls me by name. any politician that has to remember the constituancy will remember they have to vote for the people
I like him not just for gun issues....
but a politicians stance on the right to keep and bear shows a lot in how much they trust the populace to govern themselves
11:35 AM that is one of the reasons I look at that part so heavily first. If a politician feels the need to disarm the people, it means they do not trust those people with any of the rights granted by God.
11:37 AM Karyn: I don't believe God ever intended for us to have guns in the first place - except for hunting I don't think they are necessary, but the MO
11:38 AM I mean that is MO
11:39 AM me: I believe God did intend for us to be able to defend ourselves. It is even in the bible that if a person kills a man who breaks into his house that he should not be prosecuted for it. Jesus told the diciples to sell their cloaks to purchase swords to defend themselves. at the time a sword was the highest level of technology and mostly only used by the army.... not the citizenry.
11:41 AM since I also believe that God would not have allowed something to be created at all if he really didnt want it to exist.... guns exist, bad people have them, God condones one defending themselves, so I have them for that purpose
11:43 AM our countrys founding was based in the freedoms that are God given and supposed to be protected that were not being protected under the old rule. The right to speak your mind, the right to practice your religion unhindered, the right to personal property are all things that God has granted us.... the RTKBA is a private guarantee that there is one more obsacle for the government to infringe upon the others.
11:44 AM Karyn: but if we follow that logic then we would also say that God intended for us to have mustard gas, atom bombs, nuclear weapons, etc.
me: there is a difference between "intended" and "allowed"
11:45 AM Karyn: but you said "since I also believe that God would not have allowed something to be created at all if he really didnt want it to exist"
11:47 AM me: which means he allowed it. If he did not want it to exist, it would not. The materials wouldnt exist or the human mind would not be capable of doing it, or the physics just would not work.... If my God can create all existance, he could have decided not to make plutonium.
So he allowed it
11:48 AM since he provides that a person may defend themselves, then a person should defend themselves in a manner that is reasonable to level the playing field. I know a 97 pound woman who had to defend herself against a 230 pound man high on PCP.... a weapon leveld that playing field
11:49 AM Karyn: He allowed it - He allows us free will but it doesn't mean it's a good choice
11:50 AM me: of course... Just because you can, does not mean you should. But again. God providing that one can defend themself without consequence makes it so that one can do so against someone who has made a bad choice
11:52 AM Karyn: of course we can defend ourselves...I just don't want anyone to have handguns
me: the problem is that they exist... and that can never be undone
11:54 AM if a person who has already decided they are going to break the law (Gods and the States) and they are going to steal from you, rape you and kill you... what is to stop him from using a tool that makes it more efficient for him to do so. A person then needs the tools to try to survive against it. That person also already has the advantage that they are going into it with the knowledge that they are going to d something... you on the otherhand have no prior warning, so you have to have a tool that lets you respond quickly
11:59 AM Karyn: i know... it's just MO. That's why I won't vote based on handgun issues. Hey GTG. Thanks. TTYL