MWAG called on me at at Chick Fil-A

Discussion in 'LEO Encounters' started by johnski, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. johnski

    johnski Well-Known Member

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    No real encounter but I'm pretty sure someone called in on me. I had breakfast at the local Chick Fil-A carrying a little browning .380 in a holster on my hip. This particular one is frequented by a lot of college kids and their parents and professors I would imagine. Didn't talk to anyone except the cashier. No one said anything to me but a Campus Police SUV pulled up right outside and watched me till I left. He never got out to get anything or come inside. Not sure where his partner was, probably on the other side of the restaurant.

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    Needless to say I'll be going back!
     
  2. Fallschirmjäger

    Fallschirmjäger I watch the watchers

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    Shoulda had an order of waffle fries sent out to 'em, show your support.
     

  3. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Extra large soda & fries.

    Campus police? Is the CFA on campus?
     
  4. johnski

    johnski Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it is, but it is Athens and CP does patrol this area but no further. It's about as far out as they go I believe with some kind of agreement with ACCPD. There are ALOT of students (the upper middle class to upper class) that live and shop here just off campus by about a mile, mile and a half.
     
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  5. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    If they are POST Certified officers, their jurisdiction is not limited to the physical campus.

    I have seen GA Tech police working in many areas off of Spring, Peachtree, 14th, and North Ave.
     
  6. Glockenator

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    Yep. KSU police do that all the time too in their surrounding area.

    Yet another expansion of the government. As I understand it, A KSU cop can pull you over or arrest you for anything on St. Simon's Island (or anywhere at all in GA).
     
  7. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Yes, and the KSU police have a reputation for trolling for dollars by running speed traps and writing tickets for minor moving violations nowhere near the campus. I just had a colleague get their ticket moved from Kennesaw court to the actually occurrence jurisdiction because a KSU cop was doing revenue work and not actual policing. The ticket was thrown out by a real court.
     
  8. Glockenator

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    It is disgusting that they can do that. But good to hear that a real court threw out that ticket.

    On a (related) side note, KSU disgusts me now for several reasons. They seem to be "annexing" all of Kennesaw that they can, with all of their expansion. And my SPSU engineering degree lost a whole lot of value, IMO, when they bought my alma mater. As with most colleges, it's all about money, rather than just providing an education.
     
  9. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Consolidation has saved the U System nothing. Millions have been spent on "consultants", sign changes, letterhead, etc. that was completely unnecessary. No staff savings as all they have done is add another layer of bureaucracy to an already non-teaching heavy system. I agree with you specifically about SPSU and know that none of the administrators at KSU "get" science-engineering in a way that allows for a functional administration of the unique nature of SPSU. I was involved with a situation where we had a long-standing contract with SPSU that KSU simply reneged on when they took over with no apologies and a simple statement of "new directions and priorities". No, I'm no fan of KSU either for a variety of reasons but the expansion of U Policing is a greater problem than merely KSU it would seem.
     
  10. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    As it should be. :righton: Melt the snowflakes.
     
  11. HCountyGuy

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    http://www.gasupreme.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/s15g1820.pdf
     
  12. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    I think we all get that its actually legal for any certified peace officer to exercise their authority outside their specific jurisdiction. The issue at hand is doing so for petty offenses, going and looking for them off site, and generally acting as a revenue agent and not an officer of the law. In the case you cite the KSU officer was returning from an official action (taking a suspect to the local jail for detention) and observed dangerous driving behavior. Those actions appear appropriate and laudable. Running traffic duty, intentionally, away from any KSU campus for the sole purpose of raising revenue strikes me (and I take it others here) as a misuse of the authority granted to them as peace officers. YMMV.
     
  13. johnski

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    As it is written in UGA CP policy, they can operate up to 500 yards from any campus property. The way campus buildings litter the landscape all over Clarke County, that's almost everywhere, not just the main campus.

    Not sure why they chose 500 yards. Probably because it would cover almost anywhere depending on where you find those little brown signs with white lettering that denote a UGA property/building.
     
  14. legacy38

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    UGA policy doesn't dictate the 500 yard limit. That's the actual state law. The jurisdiction for all of the USG institution's police departments is any property owned, leased, or under the control of the Board of Regents and 500 yards in any direction from said property.

    If you were at the CFA on the east side, there is a USG leased building almost directly across the street. There are several UGA owned properties that are probably within the 500 yard boundary.

    My educated guess is that if the UGAPD were there it would not have been as the result of a MWAG call as that would have gone to the ACCPD.
     
  15. legacy38

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    Under 17-4-23, any officer can enforce traffic law anywhere in the state. That is still valid state law. A prior GA court ruling had ruled that extended to arrest. A recent GA court ruling overturned that it extended to arrest, but a traffic citation would STILL be legal. They could also make the stop, turn over the driver to a local officer, and then secure an arrest warrant under 17-4-60.
     
  16. UtiPossidetis

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    I understand all that, honest. I think there is a fundamental difference between doing so as part of your duties on campus, going to and from official duties (as was the case in the ruling cited previously), etc. and simply running traffic stops off campus unrelated to your actual duties for the University. KSU officers have a bad reputation for doing just what I have described, and often for petty issues that carry $175-250 fines. I work with the Cherokee Co Sheriff's office doing some training for them and can not imagine them issuing several of the traffic citations that I have seen from KSU. Frankly, KSU reminds me of the Andy Griffith episode where Andy has to go testify for the day and leaves Barney in charge (Andy being the Sheriff's department and Barney being KSU Police). When Andy returns to Mayberry its quiet, too quiet. He finds nearly every citizen locked up in the two cell jail for absurd charges (like Aunt Bee inciting to riot, and the 74 year old Jud disturbing the peace, etc.).

    My guess is that when your department has actual criminals and real police work the marginal stuff gets less of your time and attention. I honestly see all this as part of a larger pattern whereby police, through their own actions, undermine the public trust and respect for their authority. It's pretty hard to take an officer seriously for a 5-10 mile over the limit citation when you routinely watch officers, in their cruisers, fly past you at 90+MPH on their way to the Georgia Public Safety Training Center in Forsyth. It's all part of a pattern. All too often I hear nothing but excuses for such behavior. And we wonder why more and more people either think they are above the law or question authority reflexively.
     
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  17. legacy38

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    I will add that none of the UPDs receive a single penny for any citation they write or any money from fines generated by their arrest. ALL of that money goes to the local government with the exception of whatever portion the court must send to the state.
     
  18. Craftsman

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    My daughter just finished orientation at GSU last week. The GSU police did point out that they have complete jurisdiction at any property owned by the Board of Regents. They also confirmed they do regularly move officers around for special events or to cover shortages.
     
  19. UtiPossidetis

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    Well, taking the remuneration factor out makes it even more of an issue IMHO. Honestly, the demeanor of the Deputies I deal with vs. the U police is marked. Perhaps that is what its all about. Nonetheless, the petty exercising of authority, the disrespect exhibited for the law by officers in uniform, etc. are genuine problems IMHO that speak directly to declining respect for those who risk their lives to protect the rest of us.
     
  20. Craftsman

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    I wonder what Law Enforcement would look like if there was no financial incentive involved. I suspect we would all be better off, especially those peace officers that hate being transformed into the true biblical definition of a tax collector.