Most Americans Now Receive Government Benefits

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by Malum Prohibitum, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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  2. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Are they including Federal employees in their numbers?
     

  3. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    They should because most of them don't do anything productive to claim they earn their paychecks.
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think so. Did you read the article?
     
  5. OWM

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    A story that might be related to this issue. About this time last year I got invited to a Quail hunt at a South Georgia shooting preserve. While eating lunch that day in the lodge the conversation of VA entitlements came up. One mouthy individual at the table ask if any of us were Veterans and if we were drawing disability. I indicated that I was a Veteran but not drawing any disability. The person then ask me why not. I told him I was not disabled in any way. The scum then said that does not matter and that I might get up to 25 % disability just by applying and pressing the issue. Something about agent orange was mentioned. The AH just would not let it go. I expressed my opinion of him which according to the rules here and good manners I can not repeat. I apologized to My Host and left the table. I might add that every Man at that table with the exception of the useless piece of protoplasm that started the event left with me. So I am guessing a large portion of people getting some form of payment from the government are related to that person.
     
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  6. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    I would wager that more than half are gaming the system. Drive by any welfare office and check out the vehicles in the parking lot. Sit and watch the people that come out and drive them off.

    The same will hold up if you watch the handicap parking slots. Odds are in your favor that someone in their early to late 30's full health will get in and drive off. Yet they have a blue card hanging from their mirror?
     
  7. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Yay Socialism, muh social safety net!

    No way that socialism could lead to more poverty and socialism!

    Nope, no possibility of causation at all!

    No way that it could cause a bigger wealth gap between the top and bottom, reducing the middle class!

    No way it could cause people to get comfortable with living in relative poverty in America. No way it could make it hard and difficult to get out of it!

    I say relative, because our poorest are richer than most anyone in some foreign countries.
     
  8. phantoms

    phantoms Senior Mumbler

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    This figure includes Social Security and Medicaid, not just welfare and obamacare subsidies.
     
  9. NTA

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    The most common disability among my veteran friends is hearing-loss. Oh, and they hear just fine and don't have a hearing aid.
     
  10. OWM

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    Maybe my problem is that I hear too well!
     
  11. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    This is historically a serious problem. Disincentives to work were built in. I thought several reforms were supposed to do away with the penalties associated with getting up and going to work, and were supposed to penalize those who did not do so (Welfare to Work). 20 years later . . .

    As it should. It is a figure for Americans receiving government benefits, which is what Social Security and Medicaid are.
     
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  12. Malum Prohibitum

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    Twenty Years Later:
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/welfare-reform-20-years-later/
    Apparently it has made those in poverty better off by almost every metric.


    But I learned something new today about poverty statistics that will lead me to never view them the same way again:

    The poverty metric doesn’t even include things like food stamps or health benefits, both of which have risen over the past two decades. It also doesn’t include tax credits, most importantly the Earned Income Tax Credit, which was hiked around the same time that welfare reform took effect and was similarly designed to encourage work. It does include cash welfare, which the reform cut. And yet even by this measure, these kids were better off after the law than before it, including in the wake of the Great Recession. The post-reform blue years fall below the previous red years almost categorically.

    Before welfare reform passed, critics said vulnerable kids would be thrown into poverty. When the opposite happened, critics said it was just the economy. Two recessions later, that doesn’t seem to be the case either.​
     
  13. Glockenator

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    My sister is an expert at milking the system to get everything to which she thinks she is entitled. I despise her for many reasons, but that is near the top of the list. She voted for Obama. Her house was foreclosed a few years ago, and she filed for bankruptcy. Her mortgage and huge credit card debt were forgiven.

    She did a 4 year stint in the Army nearly 30 years ago. As a secretary for an officer. No combat. No injuries or health issues caused by her being in the Army.

    But to this day, she milks the VA to get all of her medical work done through them. Including surgeries that have absolutely nothing to do with her being in the Army back then. She recently got a Veteran tag. I presume so she would "look the part" while she is parked at the VA. And get this - she is currently a phsycian's assistant for.....Wellstar. :screwy:

    I can't stand that woman, and she knows it. Oh, and she "raised" a son, who is almost 19, and has yet to get a driver's license. His learner's permit has expired, and he has to catch a ride to his job at a convenience store. After dropping out of high school, he eventually got his GED after being sent to that Youth Challenge "boot camp" thing for troubled youths. He has no handicaps, either physical or mental. He just lived under the roof of a sorry, socialist parent who was incapable of turning him into a real man. He is just like his sperm donor, and currently lives with him.
     
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  14. AtlPhilip

    AtlPhilip Proud GCO member.

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    This is been my biggest concern with the Trump tax cut. By raising the standard deductible I think we may have actually pushed the net tax consumers past the 50%+1 mark. In my opinion that is the Tipping Point from which America cannot recover.

    I sincerely hope I am wrong...
     
  15. a_springfield

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    I swear I have this problem. My wife can be on the phone I can hear the other person fine from across a room. Or I can hear a conversation in another room, but if you add a little constant sound like a fan or electric D.C. Generator I can not hear anything but that back ground noise.
     
  16. Malum Prohibitum

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    They all still think they pay taxes though. "I pay taxes!"


    One big change will be no more itemizing. I itemize, but I probably will not in 2018.

    Since SALT is limited to $10,000, even those with high property and state taxes will probably not be itemizing, as they would need an additional $15,001 in tax deductions before it would even be above the standard deduction. Only those who make large charitable deductions for the most part are going to itemize.
     
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  17. AtlPhilip

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    Remember, if you take the standard with Federal you must take the standard with State. Georgia standard did not double, and was much less than many people's itemized deductions.

    If you itemized in the past, expect your federal taxes to decrease but be partially offset by an increase in state taxes.
     
  18. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    The problem is that if you cannot make a large salary straight outta poverty, very unlikely, you will actually bring home less after taxes then you will get in benefits being on all the available welfare programs.

    Many friends and people have done the analysis and written about it publicly to st least at the short term, if not life, to not get a long term job and try to climb out of poverty. This is not a new problem, or unique.

    It's the norm.
     
  19. Craftsman

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    The numbers may be a bit off, but a welfare recipient will have to earn over $60K a year free and clear to equal the net income plus benefits they had at $20K/year actual income. margin of error here is $5/year.