[tmoore912]

The Missouri legislature voted to override Gov. Nixon's veto of SB 656, the Permitless Carry bill he vetoed earlier this Summer. @MomsDemand had a huge showing there today inside the Capitol and all over Social Media, but in the end the astroturf mommies couldn't get any traction.

Missouri will still keep it's permit system with training for reciprocity iirc.

Here is what the bill will do in 30 days:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160914/missourians-celebrate-a-win-for-self-defense-rights-on-

*Recognize Missourians right to Constitutional/Permitless Carry
*Create Stand your Ground laws
*Expand Castle Doctrine protections for anyone legally allowed into your home, vehicle, business and property
*Implement 10, 20 and 50 year options for non-reciprocity issued permits
*Allow components of firearm training for RTC permits to be online

 

[mountainpass]

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/n...cle_e6e8f260-7a9d-11e6-a071-435be30cf789.html

The Moms Demand Action movement has been active in pushing for gun law reform across the country. However, it was inaction that the activist group's Missouri members demanded Wednesday as they gathered to rally in Jefferson City.

About 100 Missouri residents gathered in the Capitol's rotunda to demand that the Missouri General Assembly sustain Gov. Jay Nixon's veto on Senate Bill 656. The bill would allow people to conceal and carry a gun without a permit. It would also allow Missouri residents to use deadly force against perceived threats on public property, an extension of the existing castle doctrine.

Leading the charge in support of Nixon's veto is Becky Morgan, the chapter leader for Moms Demand Action in Missouri. Morgan's father was shot and killed in 1991 by a family member she says was prohibited from buying a gun in Missouri, but who was able to drive across the state border into Kentucky and purchase one. Morgan said that as a survivor of gun violence, one of her priorities in working with Moms Demand Action has been to ensure that residents with ill intent cannot get their hands on firearms.

Good for her but this bill has nothing to with that.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Good for her but this bill has nothing to with that.

Nothing at all.

Further, what is her plan for determining intent?

"...nobody... ever... possibly... never ever... again..."

More unicorns in a crystal ball.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Well, despite all the NY meddling, the people of Missouri have spoken.

 

[mountainpass]

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/n...cle_98f45d98-7a1a-11e6-9316-d785625e8e2d.html

Story on override.

 

[mountainpass]

http://www.newstribune.com/news/loc...wmakers-loosen-gun-laws-back-voter-id/640220/

The guns legislation prompted some of the most intense debate Wednesday.

Democrats asserted it could put racial minorities at a greater risk of being fatally shot.

"The targets in our area are black boys, not pheasants," said Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, who represents Ferguson, where sometimes violent protests broke out after the fatal police shooting of black 18-year-old Michael Brown in 2014. The white officer was cleared of wrongdoing by state and federal investigations.

"What I don't want to get to is the point where there is a trigger-happy police officer or bad Samaritan like Zimmerman who says, 'Black boy in the hood. Skittles. Let's shoot,'" Chappelle-Nadal said, a reference to Trayvon Martin, a black 17-year-old who was walking back from a Florida convenience store after buying ice tea and Skittles when he was fatally shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in 2012.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Debate of the bill in the Senate lasted for about two hours and for another hour in the House. The Senate voted 24-6 to override the veto; the House voted 112-41 in favor of overriding the bill.

They must not have a Sen. Fort.

Lawmakers who supported the bill argued that its provisions are within every person's Second Amendment rights. They also argued criminals will carry guns with or without the law.

Yeah, when are they going to work on a permit system for them?

 

[CoffeeMate]

"This bill will introduce the idea that you can justifiably take someone's life out of fear," said Sen. Jason Holsman, D-Kansas City, who defines himself as a supporter of the Second Amendment.

News flash for you guy... check your human history. Can you show me when killing out of fear for your life hasn't been considered justified? Survival IS part of our fundamental make-up.

 

[mountainpass]

http://themissouritimes.com/33615/gun-opponents-supporters-make-last-push-morning-veto-session/

 

[CoffeeMate]

"I don't think it's a burden to take an eight-hour course to understand the do's and don'ts, the shoulds and shouldn'ts, of carrying a loaded firearm," Holsman said.

How long is the training course before someone can be free from unreasonable searches and seizures?

Is it a burden to take a course before you can tell a public official to pack sand when he comes to your door demanding somewhere to sleep?

What is the minimum final score one needs on the language and comprehension skills test before one's freedom of speech kicks in?

 

[CoffeeMate]

Kevin Ahlbrand, president of the Missouri Fraternal Order of Police, agreed.

"We're going to have to assume everyone we approach is armed," Ahlbrand told the Missourian prior to the veto session.

You mean you don't currently?

 

[CoffeeMate]

"It's shameful for Missouri lawmakers to turn their backs on the people who have to go out on the street and enforce laws," Moms Demand Action Missouri chapter leader Becky Morgan said after the votes. "They've now made being a police officer more dangerous."

M'uh police.

They HAVE to, huh?

No, I'd say YOU are making it more difficult by DEMANDING they be everywhere all the time no matter what to prevent ever never ever again from happening ever ever never again.

 

[CoffeeMate]

Yeah, HB 60 is causing all the police shootings and riots across the nation.

"The institution of this law really provides no protection or security for law enforcement," Curls said. "And the same issue that they have had with Michael Brown and other murders by police - whether justified or unjustified - around the country, it leads to more of them. They are gonna be fearful that anyone could be carrying a concealed weapon."

:roll:

 

[MLS 4506]

yeah, hb 60 is causing all the police shootings and riots across the nation.

Quote:
"The institution of this law really provides no protection or security for law enforcement," Curls said. "And the same issue that they have had with Michael Brown and other murders by police - whether justified or unjustified - around the country, it leads to more of them. They are gonna be fearful that anyone could be carrying a concealed weapon."

:roll:

i think you found
their sen. Fort

 

[CoffeeMate]

"What I don't want to get to is the point where there is a trigger-happy police officer or bad Samaritan like Zimmerman who says, 'Black boy in the hood. Skittles. Let's shoot,'" Chappelle-Nadal said

I guess I missed that particular news report, because I do not believe that has ever happened.

What HAS happened repeatedly is "...gun free zone, perfect farm for armed robbery victims..."

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

And we can't even get rid of the Jim Crow permit requirement for carrying openly here in Georgia. :|

 

[mountainpass]

And we can't even get rid of the Jim Crow permit requirement for carrying openly here in Georgia. :|

Deal has been quoted as why do we even need a license.

Edit:

"When you get to the real philosophy behind all of it, the question is whether government in any form or fashion has the right to make those judgment calls, or does the Constitution speak for itself," Deal said in an interview last week. "That is where the debate is."

Edit 2: Article for some context: http://griffinjournal.com/georgia-lawmakers-weigh-flexible-gun-legislation-p11276-403.htm

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Deal has been quoted as why do we even need a license.

Deal was also quoted as supporting campus carry.

 

[mountainpass]

Deal was also quoted as supporting campus carry.

I included the quote I referred to in my last post as an edit.

 

[DonT]

I'm seeing some opinion pieces describe this as "constitutional carry." But we know this is really, permitless carry. Does anyone happen to know, what effect this new law will have on areas deemed off limits to firearms carry? Will the current rather long list of off limits areas in Missouri law, remain as is?