For those interested in the whole CATO presentation, this is the 70 minute video.
https://www.cato.org/events/stand-ground-laws-self-defense-or-license-kill
"Featuring
Clayton E. Cramer, Historian, Co-author, Cato study,
Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens;
Massad Ayoob, Firearms Trainer, author of
In the Gravest Extreme;
Steven Jansen, Vice President, Association of Prosecuting Attorneys; moderated by
Tim Lynch, Director, Project on Criminal Justice, Cato Institute."