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cpelliott said:
kwikrnu said:
I didn't have a problem when I rode MARTA.
Were you OCing? AK-47? Desert Eagle? Do tell.
Open carry an orange draco pistol. I had several brief conversations with blacks, hispanics, and whites. Nearly everyone was very nice and one tried to rob, assault, batter, or kill me.
 

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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/26338320/detail.html
Henson stood outside the crime scene tape moments later in shock. She had just escorted three 14-year-olds to the Peach Drop at Underground Atlanta.

"I thought we were very safe down here with the amount of security and police officers around. I'm shocked," Henson said.
 

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kwikrnu said:
cpelliott said:
kwikrnu said:
I didn't have a problem when I rode MARTA.
Were you OCing? AK-47? Desert Eagle? Do tell.
Open carry an orange draco pistol. I had several brief conversations with blacks, hispanics, and whites. Nearly everyone was very nice and one tried to rob, assault, batter, or kill me.
Wow, didn't read about that until now!!!!!!!!!!
 

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RussP said:
kwikrnu said:
cpelliott said:
kwikrnu said:
I didn't have a problem when I rode MARTA.
Were you OCing? AK-47? Desert Eagle? Do tell.
Open carry an orange draco pistol. I had several brief conversations with blacks, hispanics, and whites. Nearly everyone was very nice and one tried to rob, assault, batter, or kill me.
Wow, didn't read about that until now!!!!!!!!!!
My stalker is back! Merry Christmas!

 

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I am sure he meant "no one" :lol: It kind of reads differently with the word "no" in there. :wink:
 

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Very much a shame, but it seems a clear violation of one of the most basic rules:

Don't act stupid.
***Don't go to stupid places.
Don't hang out with stupid people.

Poor kid would be alive right now if he'd been properly schooled
that there are some places it's just best not to be...

Failing that, being given an understanding of what some folks are capable of,
and good situational awareness training might have saved him.

John
 

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News just reported the suspect arrested was a felon.
 

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John Arbuckle said:
Very much a shame, but it seems a clear violation of one of the most basic rules:

Don't act stupid.
***Don't go to stupid places.
Don't hang out with stupid people.

Poor kid would be alive right now if he'd been properly schooled
that there are some places it's just best not to be...

Failing that, being given an understanding of what some folks are capable of,
and good situational awareness training might have saved him.

John
Are you serious?

So what should this "properly schooled" kid have been doing? At home reading history books?

He was at a public event which was attended by over 100,000 people. In a very well lit and well populated area, not to mention well controlled by police.

I was there with my wife and 15 year old son. Not once did we feel in any kind of danger. In fact, we were all surprised to have been there for 5 hours, walking around much of the time and we saw NO violence. No fighting, no arguing, etc. We did see a couple of people who clearly had too much to drink, but in all the crowd was very well behaved.

"Good situational awareness"?? The details are extremely lacking in all of the news reports, but by what I've read/heard, this kid got his throat cut from BEHIND because someone *THOUGHT* he took their cell phone, or was simply angry because his phone was stolen. How do you defend against a seemingly random act?

Without knowing FAR MORE details, I wouldn't dare to call this kid irresponsible. It could have happened to anyone, and likely would have.
 

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JeF4y said:
John Arbuckle said:
Very much a shame, but it seems a clear violation of one of the most basic rules:

Don't act stupid.
***Don't go to stupid places.
Don't hang out with stupid people.

Poor kid would be alive right now if he'd been properly schooled
that there are some places it's just best not to be...

Failing that, being given an understanding of what some folks are capable of,
and good situational awareness training might have saved him.

John
Are you serious?

So what should this "properly schooled" kid have been doing? At home reading history books?

He was at a public event which was attended by over 100,000 people. In a very well lit and well populated area, not to mention well controlled by police.

I was there with my wife and 15 year old son. Not once did we feel in any kind of danger. In fact, we were all surprised to have been there for 5 hours, walking around much of the time and we saw NO violence. No fighting, no arguing, etc. We did see a couple of people who clearly had too much to drink, but in all the crowd was very well behaved.

"Good situational awareness"?? The details are extremely lacking in all of the news reports, but by what I've read/heard, this kid got his throat cut from BEHIND because someone *THOUGHT* he took their cell phone, or was simply angry because his phone was stolen. How do you defend against a seemingly random act?

Without knowing FAR MORE details, I wouldn't dare to call this kid irresponsible. It could have happened to anyone, and likely would have.
Are YOU serious?

Did you attempt to ride MARTA out of 5 points after midnight? Were you downtown without your mother's consent or knowledge?

I think the point being made was that there were contributing factors that led to this kid being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You were there WITH your kid. Would you have let him go with only a friend?

I'm not getting the "properly schooled" thing, though. :?:
 

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Are YOU serious?
Quite

Did you attempt to ride MARTA out of 5 points after midnight? Were you downtown without your mother's consent or knowledge?
We did not ride Marta out. We walked as it was shorter time than waiting for the train. Tens of thousands of others rode it without a problem.

I did not have my mom's consent or knowledge, but fail to see how that would have made me/him any safer. I will grant you the fact that at 14, you should know where your kids are at all times.

I think the point being made was that there were contributing factors that led to this kid being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Should have have been there without his parents permission/knowledge/guidance? No. But did that lead to this attack? Well, in the grand scheme of things, I guess you could say "yes" since if he would have stayed home, he wouldn't have been there; but my point is that this looks like a VERY random act which is extremely difficult if not impossible to prevent. It's not like he was in the middle of a gang violence act, committing a crime or in/on drug/gang ground. He was in a very well populated, lit, heavily attended and high police presence area which for all intents and purposes was extremely safe.

You were there WITH your kid. Would you have let him go with only a friend?
Truly depends on who he would have went with.

I'm not getting the "properly schooled" thing, though. :?:
Me either... Hence my reply.
 

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The kid had snuck out to watch the peach drop, his mother did not know.
The 30 something jackwagon that killed him "thought" the kid might have stolen his cell phone so he slit his throat and let him bleed out.
 

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AV8R said:
JeF4y said:
John Arbuckle said:
Very much a shame, but it seems a clear violation of one of the most basic rules:

Don't act stupid.
***Don't go to stupid places.
Don't hang out with stupid people.

Poor kid would be alive right now if he'd been properly schooled
that there are some places it's just best not to be...

Failing that, being given an understanding of what some folks are capable of,
and good situational awareness training might have saved him.

John
Are you serious?

So what should this "properly schooled" kid have been doing? At home reading history books?

He was at a public event which was attended by over 100,000 people. In a very well lit and well populated area, not to mention well controlled by police.

I was there with my wife and 15 year old son. Not once did we feel in any kind of danger. In fact, we were all surprised to have been there for 5 hours, walking around much of the time and we saw NO violence. No fighting, no arguing, etc. We did see a couple of people who clearly had too much to drink, but in all the crowd was very well behaved.

"Good situational awareness"?? The details are extremely lacking in all of the news reports, but by what I've read/heard, this kid got his throat cut from BEHIND because someone *THOUGHT* he took their cell phone, or was simply angry because his phone was stolen. How do you defend against a seemingly random act?

Without knowing FAR MORE details, I wouldn't dare to call this kid irresponsible. It could have happened to anyone, and likely would have.
Are YOU serious?

Did you attempt to ride MARTA out of 5 points after midnight? Were you downtown without your mother's consent or knowledge?
Driving or walking home from this event were both probably FAR riskier than riding marta. Compare the number of DUI-related deaths that night to the number of people stabbed on marta -- I can guess which one is larger.

edit: http://www.ajc.com/news/police-holiday- ... 66036.html (surprise, surprise, traffic deaths > deaths on MARTA)

Also, note this article telling people to take MARTA instead of driving on NYE: http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/new-yea ... 91319.html
 

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Are YOU serious?

Did you attempt to ride MARTA out of 5 points after midnight? Were you downtown without your mother's consent or knowledge?

I think the point being made was that there were contributing factors that led to this kid being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You were there WITH your kid. Would you have let him go with only a friend?

I'm not getting the "properly schooled" thing, though. :?:[/quote]

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That's a little ridiculous. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I lived IN 5 points for over a year during school with NO weapon. I was never robbed, beaten, stabbed, shot, etc. Probably just luck, but some certainly attributed to just being street smart. When you get on MARTA, you get in a corner so no one can sneak up behind you and you can see everything around you...problem solved. Granted, the victim was only 14 and probably didn't know any better.

Suburban folk probably don't know this, but when you go to a place like five points and you're not used to it, it REALLY shows. Most look like a deer in the headlights or get extremely aggressive for no reason. Just be neutral and don't try to stick your chest out at everything and you'll be fine.
 
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