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A man, apparently unarmed, got into a struggle with a cop.

As the cop was taking him down, the man grabbed one of the officer's spare magazines for his duty pistol (mags were on cop's left hip, and the gun on his right hip).

Immediately the cop drew his weapon, stood up, backed away from the guy, and aimed at him while the man also stood up, holding the cop's spare magazine loosely at his side.

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

The cop shoots the man several times, including a couple times in the back as he turns away from the cop's gunfire.

Then, when the man doesn't fall (and is still clutching the cop's spare magazine), the cop pops him again, and finally drops him.

The man died.

A Huntington Beach, CA police spokesperson confirms that the suspect was killed by the officer, but there are no details available.

Yeah, I'd expect that there are no details available, because there's no justification for this shooting. The cops are busy trying to come up with a plausible cover story that can explain this one away. Until they figure out what B.S. to claim to try to justify this, they'll just say "no details are available."

A MAGAZINE IS JUST A GUN PART. IT IS NOT A GUN.

AN EMPTY HOLSTER IS NOT A GUN.

A RIFLE STOCK, THE WOOD ALONE, IS NOT A GUN.

A GUN CASE (the hard plastic box new guns come in from the factory) IS NOT A GUN.

Cops should identify what people have in their hands before killing them.
Not everything that is weapon-related "is" a deadly weapon.

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/2...olice-shooting-at-7-eleven-across-the-street/

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hb-cop-shooting-video-20170922-story.html


One of these links above, or perhaps some other that I found, had a witness statement from an eyewitness to the shooting, saying it was the cop's extra magazine that the guy grabbed off his belt, and that they man had been reaching to try to get stuff off the officer's duty belt.

I WONDER... what if the suspect grabbed the cop's pepper spray? I can't see the object well enough in the video to tell what it was. It could be a medium sized (long and slim) container of spray, or it could be a semi-auto pistol magazine. I'm pretty sure it's not any kind of Taser or electric-shock weapon.
 

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Looks like murder to me. The young man is not holding a weapon - he's only holding a spare pistol magazine that by itself cannot shoot anything. He is not charging the officer. He is also shot again when he turns his back. That officer should spend the rest of his life in prison.
 

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His pepper spray is on his left hip. If the guy grabbed it and was able to use it against the cop he has a greater upper hand in disarming the cop and using his service weapon against him.

Also I'm pretty sure the cop just saw a black object appear in the guys hands during a struggle. Taking the time to identify it during what is a hostile situation could easily end up in dead cop.

The biggest mistake in this whole thing is caused by the man fighting the cop.
 

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Even if it was pepper spray it was not raised at the cop. The cop has him at gun point there is no way he could be sprayed faster than a trigger pull. Murder the man did nothing aggressive after the cop pulled his gun.
 

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Chief now declares it is a justified shooting.

"The suspect was resisting and clearly the officer was defending himself and trying to take the suspect into custody," he said.

He goes on to say the officer tried using a Taser at first, but when that didn't work, the suspect began attacking him.

"Just because the person didn't have a weapon, if he's struggling with that officer and actively assaulting that officer and trying to take his weapon away, trying to take equipment away from his belt that can harm him - he has every right and every responsibility and we train them to defend themselves with lethal force," Handy said.​

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Handy said until that investigation is over people should realize the witness videos are only a small portion of what happened.​

http://abc7.com/graphic-video-shows-huntington-beach-officer-involved-shooting/2443444/
 

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Apples to Oranges....
If I am PLACING SOMEONE UNDER LAWFUL ARREST, I can use whatever force is necessary to overcome the resistance being offered by the suspect....they pull a TASER I will shoot them....
Don't we drill it into each other here, that in a fight situation, to "shoot until he drops"? Easy to believe going into auto-pilot at that point.
 

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Shooting him was not the minimum force necessary. If the cop thought the magazine was a gun, then he made a terrible mistake in judgement.
 

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Shooting him was not the minimum force necessary. If the cop thought the magazine was a gun, then he made a terrible mistake in judgement.
I'd like to hear from the officer, but we all know that is not going to happen. I would also like some clarity at least about what was in his hand. He certainly did not appear to me to be a threat at the time the officer started firing and all the way through until the officer stopped firing.

ONE POSSIBILITY (rank speculation based on nothing but the video follows): He did not know that the homeless dude had grabbed anything at all from his belt. He saw something in the homeless dude's hand and thought it was a pistol. I do not think that scenario likely, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.
 

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It's been many years, but I remember being in Washington DC standing near the White House when the presidential motorcade came around the corner. Wanting to get a picture of the president, I reached into my pocket and pulled out my camera.

This was in the days before iPhones. My camera was a small pocket 35 MM autofocus. It was black and silver and shiny.

If you were secret service, moving quickly through the streets ahead of the limo at maybe 30 mph, and you saw someone pull out a shiny, black and silver object from his pocket and point it at POTUS.....what would your natural reaction be?

When I think about it, I realize I'm lucky to be alive to tell that story. If I had gotten shot, it likely would've been my fault. Not a smart move on my part.
 

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You have to click the "watch this video on Youtube" for some reason.

 

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It's been many years, but I remember being in Washington DC standing near the White House when the presidential motorcade came around the corner. Wanting to get a picture of the president, I reached into my pocket and pulled out my camera.
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Apologies for the hijack

My Dad was in the Army, stationed in Berlin in the early/mid '70s, was an avid amateur photographer and carried his camera gear in an oversized briefcase.. I remember one weekend he wanted to get some photo's of the wall and other sights so off we went.

He found a sight line he liked, and decided to set up next to a fountain. He sits his case down on the low wall around the fountain, and opens it away from the guards along the top of the wall to East Berlin pulls out his camera and quickly snaps this photo:



On putting the camera down, he notices there is a guard to the right of the one in the frame who was sighting down the barrel of his rifle... On reflection, he realized the guards had no clue what was in that case and what he was going to pull out of it.

Okay, hijack off and I return you to the regular discussion.
 

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Too hard to tell. I think that the officer saw something in the guy's hand, thought it could be a weapon (e.g. knife) or paper spray, etc. and then shot until the suspect was down, which would match with the training he likely received. While unfortunate and preventable, I don't see fault for the officer. The suspect was clearly aggressive - approached the officer even when the officer's gun was drawn. Who does that? Only someone that is crazy and/or intends to do harm.
 

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- Imminent threat?
- Great bodily harm?
- Reasonable?
- Necessary?

Can you articulate all four?
 

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Too hard to tell. I think that the officer saw something in the guy's hand, thought it could be a weapon (e.g. knife) or paper spray, etc. and then shot until the suspect was down, which would match with the training he likely received. While unfortunate and preventable, I don't see fault for the officer. The suspect was clearly aggressive - approached the officer even when the officer's gun was drawn. Who does that? Only someone that is crazy and/or intends to do harm.
I think that was his taser he deployed on the first approach that didn't work, then the fist fight, then stands and gets a little distance. At that point, does he really need to wait and see if he attacks, again? After seeing the approach vs. taser video, I'm not sure the object in his hand was even a factor.
 

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I keep thinking if this exact thing had happened to me, I'm pretty sure I would be sitting in a trial for the murder of this person, at the very least.

You've got to love immunity.
 
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