[Tinkerhell]

My my.
Testy today MP.
Not get enough coffee this morning?

Maybe you did not see the ABC News video (link on this site somewhere) with the people pointing M-16s at hapless homeowners sitting on the curb with their wrists zip tied whilst these searches were being conducted.

I do recall that however were those taking place before or AFTER the area was evacuated? As I said, I'd have not been one of those folks that threw a party & stayed in the area. Either way if these folks were in their home (or in the area in person) then that was total BS as I said in my post. I do NOT agree with taking a gun from a legal owner in person. Period

Maybe you did not read the affidavits submitted in the NRA lawsuit with people's personal exeriences. Maybe you did not see the video of the little old lady who was dogpiled by California cops to have her gun seized and be forcibly removed from her home and thrown into an Army truck and driven away.

Yes on the NRA and no on the little old lady from Pasadina. But again those both fall into the "You do NOT take guns away from legal owners" statement.

Maybe you will go and seek them out now. Then maybe you will report back to us your findings.

Nope because it doesn't change my opinon on this either way as everything you listed & I suspect everything else that one could find on the subject falls into one of two categories which are pretty clear for me.
1) If my home is empty I'd rather cops take guns out if they are not secured (again I would say you are being at least a tiny bit negligent if your firearms are not secured in some manner) than have them laying about for BG's to find & make use of.
IF they do it the right way.
If they don't then just don't bother; Declare the area a disaster, tell everyone to leave & if they don't then detain them & escourt them out of the area. If someone is in the area actively doing illegal things then shoot their ass. :evil: (I don't want to get into a "what everyone did wrong in La discussion. That's a whole nuther topic that we could all go on about for a long time.)
2) If I am not doing anything illegal whether I am in the area or not you do NOT get to take my guns away. You can still get me to leave the area if required but you don't get to take my guns away from me. I leave then they leave with me.

simple

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

My my.
Testy today MP.
Not get enough coffee this morning?

Sigh. :| Tone does not come across well on the forums sometimes. I am just providing information, that is all. There were plenty of people who had their weapons seized by threat of lethal force. Nobody stood up for themselves or fired a shot. That is all I meant. And there is plenty of evidence of this, which is what I was providing.

 

[USMC - Retired]

My my.
Testy today MP.
Not get enough coffee this morning?

I can almost 100% confirm that MP has had NO coffee today.

 

[Tinkerhell]

I know MP. I'm perfectly aware you weren't being.. testy. But it read that way so it's good to rib ya. :wink:

All is good.
I don't know what I would have done if I had been in the situation some of those people were in. It's all well & good to talk smack in the forums but if a dozen guys in body armor & M16s decided to zip tie me & my wife & take my guns I would have to suspect that my shotgun & pistol would not really do much good. I'm a prudent fellow for the most part. I would say that is a no win situation. They'd likely end up with my guns. (unless I knew they were coming & I could hide em).

Now would I open my safe or tell them where I had guns? Hell no.
It would be one thing to stand on my porch & go down in a pointless blaze of glory shooting at the cops/national guard, its another issue standing in my zip tie & telling them to "go F themselves, I am not about to give them the combo to my safe". If they want it then they can pick it up or crack it or blow the hinges off but they won't get my help with any of that either.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I can almost 100% confirm that MP has had NO coffee today.

Had four cups of Earl Gray tea, though!

 

[lsu_nonleg]

Ah, I love it when Katrina comes up.

1st: the area was evacuated a bunch of times. Five days before the storm, three days (which I think was the first mandatory), the afternoon before, after the storm hit, after the levees broke, etc.

+5 on the footage of the California cops wrestling the old lady to the ground to take the .38 off the top of her fridge.

One of the primary methods of confiscation was that you could be sitting on top of your house with your kids and your dog, and when the boat shows up for you, they would not pick you up unless you surrendered your weapon, with no method for return. Not clear and lock, not turn over your ammo, just "give me your weapon and we'll throw it in the pile with everyone elses.."

Also, you were not allowed to cross certain points and still carry your weapon(s). Basically, they got you at the "bridges" to dry land. It didn't matter if you were meeting your cousin and not fleeing to the dome (at that point, nobody was really heading *towards* the Dome anyway).

I neither heard media or personal reports of people having their firearms taken from "vacant" homes by police. There were not enough cops to search like that house to house, and the National Guard/EMS teams were not looking for anything besides people. With most of the abandoned homes floating in at least 6' of water, they would have had to sweep through there with metal detectors to locate firearms. Did someone find a few weapons when they were hauling fridges that had been rotting in houses for 4 months? Maybe.

Looters already had guns. They just needed new kicks from the Nike store. Looters, by and large, ignored houses. Usually because made up stories of "white people shooting any brotha that sets foot on the block" made the rounds very quickly. Besides, those people in Metarie ain't got no fashion, you gotta hit the sto' for those HDTeeVees.

A few days after the levees gave way, there were plenty of people that had plenty of water, lots of Chef Boyardee, dry pet food, and batteries for the radio. Some had water up to their front step, some had completely dry blocks. After the looters cleaned out the Best Buy, the Walmart, and the Footlocker, they started looking for homes just like that. You know, to get theirs. The vast majority of the guns were taken from people that had no need to leave in the near future, and were safe in their homes.

I would rather the cops take them than letting looters find them & put them to nefarious use.... I do NOT agree with taking a gun from a legal owner in person.

Hey, you were at the grocery, and your dog got out, so we decided to secure your firearms in case a {insert made up scenario of danger to children here} . See, I have a real problem with that too. You're living in Memphis after evacuating, we'll just demolish your home without asking. Hey, we put a list of names in the Baton Rouge Advocate, what do you mean you didn't read it? We warned ya! No, you don't take my property, period.

Now, the COP of NOPD has said he will confiscate again, after a reporter brought up the court ruling telling them the confiscation was expressly unConstitutional.

I would say you are being at least a tiny bit negligent if your firearms are not secured in some manner

Your car door is unlocked, someone takes your car, runs over little Susie. You are negligent. Just a tiny bit.

Most of the nasty Guard troops didn't have weapons at any point, including now that they've become the Sheriffs of Orleans and Jefferson Parish.

unless I knew they were coming & I could hide em

Rule 1: never show all your cards! You can sit on the porch with a 20 gauge that cost $180 at Academy and still scare off the gangbangers, you don't have to sit there with the gussied up M4 or the special 1911 with pearl handled grips (that's what the mil-spec is for )

I've talked to fresh Fulton/Dekalb cops that said that they'd follow orders and have it sorted out later, even knowing about Supreme Court rulings, personal ethics, blah blah. That's the scary part.

I'm not yelling at ya, Tinkerhell... it just comes across that way

{Insert off color Captain Picard joke about MP here}

 

[ber950]

[quote="USMC - Retired":2dbub70t]I can almost 100% confirm that MP has had NO coffee today.

Had four cups of Earl Gray tea, though! [/quote:2dbub70t]

Redcoat loving tory

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Good post, lsu_nonleg . . .

 

[Tinkerhell]

Yep good post.
But in my mind part of what it comes down to is that last bit

I've talked to fresh Fulton/Dekalb cops that said that they'd follow orders and have it sorted out later, even knowing about Supreme Court rulings, personal ethics, blah blah.

If the guys in charge tell the "men in the field" just to do X and X is wrong (illegal) then we have a serious problem and the laws don't matter one way or another.

I still expect I'd fall a bit to the left of some opinions on this though. Either way I still support the Katrina bill.