List of anti gun churches (with citations)

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by Mrs_Esterhouse, Oct 3, 2015.

  1. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

    http://download.elca.org/ELCA Resource Repository/Community_Violence_GunsSPR93.pdf

    The United Methodist Church

    http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/gun-violence

    Catholic Church

    http://www.catholicnews.com/service...pposes-firearms-for-civilians-cns-1100159.cfm

    Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)

    https://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/

    The Episcopal Church

    http://www.episcopalchurch.org/library/article/urgent-assault-weapons-ban-renewal

    Union for Reform Judaism

    http://urj.org/about/union/pr/2012/?syspage=article&item_id=98040

    National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA

    http://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/common-witness/2010/gun-violence.php

    If you're a member of any of these, I'd think twice about donating 10% of your income to organizations that fight against your God given, inalienable rights.
     
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  2. psrumors

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    I would have thought the conversation on this subject would have been quite lively.

    I am most surprised by the Church of Christ
     

  3. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    Same here. I think most parishioners are like: oh well, I like my church too much to change....
     
  4. apx_31088

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    Thank You for researching this.
    I did not realize my denomination's (Methodist) stance on this reads just like something from all the other anti-gun groups - and with no differences at all. Like as all the other anti-gunners, the actual truths (both current and historical) are denied and they strive for the removal of all guns from all the general citizens. Ugh!
    When the doctrines of my denomination deny the truth and promote what is not true, then I do need to disassociate myself from doctrinal error which strives to promote untruth on everyone in the country. Many innocent lives will be lost if those doctrines prevail, and evil will increase in the country.
     
  5. TimBob

    TimBob Old, Slow, Boring Dude

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    The congregations in some of those denominations have enough autonomy to decide for themselves if they want to allow firearms or not.

    However, the national leadership of all those groups tends to be on the extreme left, so their official anti gun stance is no surprise.
     
  6. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    Most if not all churches chartered under the organizations listed above send a percentage of their tithe revenue back to their national, anti gun mother ships. Essentially, a percentage of every person's Sunday tithe goes towards undermining our Second amendment freedoms. I would have to guess the annual amount of tithe money per person being sent to those mother ships far exceeds GCO's $16 dues, NRA's $25 dues and SAF's $15 dues combined. Remember, tithing is supposed to be 10% of income. Even if someone only does 5% and makes $80,000, that's $4000/yr and a percentage of that $4000 goes to the mother ship.
     
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  7. TimBob

    TimBob Old, Slow, Boring Dude

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    It is usually a very small percentage. Less than 10 dollars a year per member for most of those churches. And even all of that doesn't make it all the way to denominational headquarters... Each governing level along the way gets a cut!

    Google "per capita" and "apportionments" for each of those denominations.

    HOWEVER: you are correct that the money which does reach the headquarters can be (and at least some of it is) used to push the anti gun agenda!
     
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  8. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    For the United Methodist Church:

    http://www.umc.org/how-we-serve/where-your-money-goes

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    So, 2% of the $4000 tithe in my example would bring it to $80 going directly to the anti gun United Methodist Church headquarters each year.
     
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  9. TimBob

    TimBob Old, Slow, Boring Dude

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    Looks like your math is correct for the UMC.

    I checked on the Presbyterian Church (USA). They pay a per capita of $7.16 per member.

    Sadly, at the national level, those denominations you listed have bought into the liberal socialist view of the gospel and the anti gun agenda that comes with it.
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

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    That National Council of the churches of Christ in the USA has nothing to do with the Churches of Christ, in spite of its name. It is a universalist organization of protestant (and others) churches with its own creed, "A Social Creed for the 21st Century." As you are probably already aware, members of the church of Christ claim to be neither Catholic, nor Protestant, nor Jew, and they eschew organizations, hierarchies, and manmade creeds.

    I sincerely doubt you will find a single church of Christ within its membership roll. The name is a little confusing, but a quick glance at the web site shows it is an organization of the usual suspects, leftist politics masquerading as religion. The only religious tenet seems to be universalism:
    Compare this to a well known church of Christ preacher's blog, and you will see quite a contrast.

    https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1303-will-only-your-bunch-be-saved

    As you can see, the beliefs presented are diametrically opposed to one another. There is no relationship between that organization and the congregations you know as churches of Christ.

    It may be that a church of Christ somewhere in Georgia bans guns, but I am not personally aware of a single congregation that does so.
     
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  11. Malum Prohibitum

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    Here is a list of churches that belong to the National Council of Churches of Christ USA. As you can see for yourself, there are no actual churches of Christ in it.

    http://www.nationalcouncilofchurches.us/about/member-communions.php

    (for those who are unaware, the "United Church of Christ" is also not affiliated with churches of Christ. This is the leftist church President Obama used to attend, with the "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright "preaching" from the pulpit). Plenty of Baptists and Methodists and Presbyterians. Basically the addition of the National Council of Churches of Christ USA duplicates some of the earlier items on the list in the original post.
     
  12. Malum Prohibitum

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    FWIW, churches of Christ have no national motherships, anti-gun or otherwise. They also pretty uniformly reject any teaching that the tithe is binding upon Christians.

    See, for example:
    http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVarticles/FreedomInChristABiblicalLookAtTithing.html "One of these yokes of bondage is the imposition of tithing on people. To achieve their aim, they threaten people with the curse of Malachi 3:8-10. They link any evil or calamity that befalls a person with non-payment of the tithe or unfaithfulness in the paying of the tithe. . . ."
     
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    Just because the pastors of those churches like to view themselves as a shepherd, that shouldn't mean they want their flock to be sheepish when it comes to defending themselves from predators. How immoral it is to want the ones attending your church to be helpless sitting ducks!
     
  14. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    I imagine churches have only grown more anti-gun since my 2015 OP.
     
  15. jsaund22

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    Mine hasn't... :D
     
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    Mine either....
     
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